That is going to leave a mark!

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That is going to leave a mark!

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Well he made it up so it must be true

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Cavazos said:

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I think OP is Brother Jed's account on TexAgs.

The way I see it is simple: Jesus said to love your neighbors. That includes people of all colors, race, backgrounds, nationality, and sexual identities. Even if I don't necessarily understand where they are coming from.

OP, this is a great chance for you to learn about people you think are scary. Sign up for the classes and you might find out they aren't so bad.

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Maybe if you read the actual substance of the material you will understand that it is the opposite of what you are advocating. I do love my neighbors, of all races, creeds, colors and religions.

However, the substance of these programs are that people are only defined by their immutable characteristics and that our country is systemically racists and people of color will never get an equitable return without the help of non people of color. This type of curriculum is racist at heart and teaches people that they are good or bad, victim or victimizer based solely on their skin color.

Why do you hate all white people so much and support this divisive and backwards thinking?

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No, that's not the substance of these programs, but it seems you're too defensive at the moment to hear to their real message. Unfortunately, there are many unnecessary obstacles that unfairly advantage some individuals or groups while unfairly disadvantaging other individuals or groups. In order to remove these unnecessary obstacles, we need to recognize them. That process can be very uncomfortable sometimes.

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Please tell me more about these unnecessary obstacles? Because I didn't have a lot of time to sit around and think about them in the barrio growing up. Between ensuring all my chores were done to avoid dads belt and all my homework was done to avoid mom's chancla, I just really didn't sit around trying to determine who to blame for my lot in life.

Mom and Dad always did their best to ensure we had the necessities and show us the path to a future. It was our path to choose and take. They gave us the morals and principles to make our way through life, but they didn't carry us down the path.

When I look around America, I don't see obstacles (that are externally created), I see some self perpetuated obstacles and excuses, but mostly I just see opportunity.

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Sure, here's an easy one: Have a "black sounding" name? You're less likely to get a job interview. I hope you're not going to assert that a name is a self perpetuated obstacle and excuse. Rather, it's a sign of bias. It's great that you see opportunity. Not everyone has the same access to the opportunities you see.

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You hear about this on CNN?

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No. But did Fox tell you I did?

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Not so much a one side or the other politically point as much as it was about being fake news. Your claim is unsupported by facts. Please tell me this is where you quote a Cal Berkley "study" that showed 2% difference.

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Assuming that everyone gets an equal and fair shot is percisely part of the issue these trainings are trying to make peopel aware of. Espeicaly for coaches who may not be aware of, or even believe, the very real struggles some of thier players/recruits are facing. How is gaining this understanding anything but an assest to the program and recruiting?

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I haven't kept up with this thread in a couple days, but I have to respond to the highlighted garbage above. These players (of all races) have every advantage possible given to them once they set foot on this campus. And as recruits they've had people kissing their butts for years. This isn't to say that any individual can't have problems and challenges, but these victim training courses are not the solution IMO.

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I have donated money to both Texas and Texas A&M for over two decades and have refused to donate any of my money to the athletic programs of either school. Our money is going to academics and not athletics. I respect others' decisions but I do encourage people that I know to donate more to the school than to athletics.

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It's amazing how much influence people think their donations, or the donations of others, have on a university or athletic program. First, donations to athletics are a small fraction of the donations to A&M annually. Most of that is the seat licenses, except in years where they have building campaigns. Even then, it's just a fraction of what is donated overall. And, A&M has walked away from significant athletic donors for cause (see the multiple probations A&M has had). Second, very few Aggies donate in the first place. Go look at the Association of Former Students Annual report and you'll be shocked at how few, as a percentage, actually give. Third, almost all the top donors to A&M athletics have given MORE to academic programs at A&M than they have to athletics. Lastly, it's the donor's money, and they can do with it what they want. That doesn't mean donations aren't important and valuable to A&M, it's just that they don't buy influence to the extent so many believe.

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Have the entire men's basketball team play volleyball and we'll be National champions next season.

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lol. they'd get smoked by women's teams.

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No way. Give 12 D1, 6' 6"+ male basketball players a month to practice and they would dominate the best women's college volleyball team.

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I think OP is Brother Jed's account on TexAgs.

The way I see it is simple: Jesus said to love your neighbors. That includes people of all colors, race, backgrounds, nationality, and sexual identities. Even if I don't necessarily understand where they are coming from.

OP, this is a great chance for you to learn about people you think are scary. Sign up for the classes and you might find out they aren't so bad.

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Jesus already gave us the class on how to treat people. You mom already told you how to treat people. Your kindergarten teacher already told you how to treat people. Your high school football coach already told you how to treat people etc.....etc....Do you still need these classes?

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Cavazos said:

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I think OP is Brother Jed's account on TexAgs.

The way I see it is simple: Jesus said to love your neighbors. That includes people of all colors, race, backgrounds, nationality, and sexual identities. Even if I don't necessarily understand where they are coming from.

OP, this is a great chance for you to learn about people you think are scary. Sign up for the classes and you might find out they aren't so bad.

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Jesus already gave us the class on how to treat people. You mom already told you how to treat people. Your kindergarten teacher already told you how to treat people. Your high school football coach already told you how to treat people etc.....etc....Do you still need these classes?

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Yes. There are plenty of folks on TexAgs that absolutely need it.

The anti-gay and racist sentiments are often thinly veiled at best. They are outright sickening at worst.

It's interesting that so many Christian's forget Jesus' message the moment they walk out of church. Or even worse, subvert it to their own prejudices.

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Cavazos said:

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I think OP is Brother Jed's account on TexAgs.

The way I see it is simple: Jesus said to love your neighbors. That includes people of all colors, race, backgrounds, nationality, and sexual identities. Even if I don't necessarily understand where they are coming from.

OP, this is a great chance for you to learn about people you think are scary. Sign up for the classes and you might find out they aren't so bad.

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Jesus already gave us the class on how to treat people. You mom already told you how to treat people. Your kindergarten teacher already told you how to treat people. Your high school football coach already told you how to treat people etc.....etc....Do you still need these classes?

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Yes. There are plenty of folks on TexAgs that absolutely need it.

The anti-gay and racist sentiments are often thinly veiled at best. They are outright sickening at worst.

It's interesting that so many Christian's forget Jesus' message the moment they walk out of church. Or even worse, subvert it to their own prejudices.

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Oh lord. Here we go.

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Cavazos said:

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I think OP is Brother Jed's account on TexAgs.

The way I see it is simple: Jesus said to love your neighbors. That includes people of all colors, race, backgrounds, nationality, and sexual identities. Even if I don't necessarily understand where they are coming from.

OP, this is a great chance for you to learn about people you think are scary. Sign up for the classes and you might find out they aren't so bad.

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Jesus already gave us the class on how to treat people. You mom already told you how to treat people. Your kindergarten teacher already told you how to treat people. Your high school football coach already told you how to treat people etc.....etc....Do you still need these classes?

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Yes. There are plenty of folks on TexAgs that absolutely need it.

The anti-gay and racist sentiments are often thinly veiled at best. They are outright sickening at worst.

It's interesting that so many Christian's forget Jesus' message the moment they walk out of church. Or even worse, subvert it to their own prejudices.

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Do you believe Jesus is the Christ, died for your sins, and rose from the dead?

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farwellrob said:

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Cavazos said:

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I think OP is Brother Jed's account on TexAgs.

The way I see it is simple: Jesus said to love your neighbors. That includes people of all colors, race, backgrounds, nationality, and sexual identities. Even if I don't necessarily understand where they are coming from.

OP, this is a great chance for you to learn about people you think are scary. Sign up for the classes and you might find out they aren't so bad.

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Jesus already gave us the class on how to treat people. You mom already told you how to treat people. Your kindergarten teacher already told you how to treat people. Your high school football coach already told you how to treat people etc.....etc....Do you still need these classes?

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Yes. There are plenty of folks on TexAgs that absolutely need it.

The anti-gay and racist sentiments are often thinly veiled at best. They are outright sickening at worst.

It's interesting that so many Christian's forget Jesus' message the moment they walk out of church. Or even worse, subvert it to their own prejudices.

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Do you believe Jesus is the Christ, died for your sins, and rose from the dead?

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Yes.

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It's always so telling what gets F16 riled up.

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For a group of folks who like to call others out for playing the victim, they sure do like playing the victim a lot.

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farwellrob said:

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Human Being said:

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Cavazos said:

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I think OP is Brother Jed's account on TexAgs.

The way I see it is simple: Jesus said to love your neighbors. That includes people of all colors, race, backgrounds, nationality, and sexual identities. Even if I don't necessarily understand where they are coming from.

OP, this is a great chance for you to learn about people you think are scary. Sign up for the classes and you might find out they aren't so bad.

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Jesus already gave us the class on how to treat people. You mom already told you how to treat people. Your kindergarten teacher already told you how to treat people. Your high school football coach already told you how to treat people etc.....etc....Do you still need these classes?

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Yes. There are plenty of folks on TexAgs that absolutely need it.

The anti-gay and racist sentiments are often thinly veiled at best. They are outright sickening at worst.

It's interesting that so many Christian's forget Jesus' message the moment they walk out of church. Or even worse, subvert it to their own prejudices.

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Do you believe Jesus is the Christ, died for your sins, and rose from the dead?

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OH LAWD

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It's always so telling what gets F16 riled up.

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For a group of folks who like to call others out for playing the victim, they sure do like playing the victim a lot.

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Pointing out how an ideology is flawed and inherently racist is playing the victim?

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I think it's inevitable for just about everyone to eventually turn into an angry grandpa lashing out as society moves on without them. OP just hasn't come to terms with it yet.

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This isn't society "moving on", this is regression. This not the next step of MLK's post-racist America, this is teaching racism to the next generation for political and monetary profit.

I love A&M. I hate that we've jumped on this bandwagon.

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I think it's inevitable for just about everyone to eventually turn into an angry grandpa lashing out as society moves on without them. OP just hasn't come to terms with it yet.

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This isn't society "moving on", this is regression. This not the next step of MLK's post-racist America, this is teaching racism to the next generation for political and monetary profit.

I love A&M. I hate that we've jumped on this bandwagon.

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I think there's a lot of people that think teaching about racism is the same as "teaching racism". Sweeping things under the rug isn't going to work.

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I think it's inevitable for just about everyone to eventually turn into an angry grandpa lashing out as society moves on without them. OP just hasn't come to terms with it yet.

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This isn't society "moving on", this is regression. This not the next step of MLK's post-racist America, this is teaching racism to the next generation for political and monetary profit.

I love A&M. I hate that we've jumped on this bandwagon.

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I think there's a lot of people that think teaching about racism is the same as "teaching racism". Sweeping things under the rug isn't going to work.

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Its not about sweeping anything under any rugs. Teaching people that they are a victim/oppressor based solely on their skin color is racist. PERIOD

If this was an open forum for people to discuss their differences, that would be one thing. But it is not. It is a program designed at projecting history onto current people. It is divisive and counter-productive.

If you haven't figured it out yet, the TAMU AD is woke leftist communist moron so, what do you expect?

Except that's not what is being taught.

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Except that's not what is being taught.

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What's being taught?

What's in the program? I know what they claim they're looking at. What's actually in this program?

There is room for classic liberalism in the classroom. Putin has demonstrated authoritarianism has to go. I expect the activists want this to be a civil war and believe it leads to "the Revolution."

We really should oppose that intention and defund schools that let it run rampant. As Ukraine is demonstrating: civil activism against oppression works. There is room for sanity in this world in opposition to evil.

NIL. Transfer Portal and now this. Screw A & M athletics .

This was a paragraph lifted from a Wall Street Journal editorial signed by "The Editorial Board" on Ukraine…but surprisingly timely and relevant:

' They underestimated the tenacity of Ukrainians. The sight on TV and social media of Ukrainian civilians preparing to defend their cities is something to behold. Men with desk jobs are grabbing rifles, and teachers are making Molotov cocktails. This is a lesson in the price of freedom that ought to instruct Westerners offended by "microaggressions." Real aggression is a tank rolling down your street.'

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Except that's not what is being taught.

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• Unpacking Racism, Anti-Racism & Privilege

Intentionally obtuse much?

Like I said. Teaching about racism isn't teaching racism. Pretending that racism doesn't exist doesn't make it go away. It just makes ignorant people bristle when it is discussed because they can't pretend anymore.

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Like I said. Teaching about racism isn't teaching racism. Pretending that racism doesn't exist doesn't make it go away. It just makes ignorant people bristle when it is discussed because they can't pretend anymore.

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I am all for teaching about slavery, Jim Crow, civil rights movement. They are all very important about the shaping of our society and demonstrative of how evil individuals can be.

However, at the onset of this class - the syllabus, it is obvious that this training people to divide and separate people into categories. Why do we continue to try and convince people how racist they are, even if they don't feel racist? Why must we convince one segment of society that the other has privileges that they don't? Why is it OK to say that one group must use your privilege to support another group? It clearly infers that the athletes of color need the assistance of your privilege to excel.

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Module 3: Overcoming Bias and Decoding Microaggressions

• Develop an awareness of how unconscious bias influences our perceptions, decision-making and actions based on positive and negative associations
• Learn how to recognize and avoid microaggressions that perpetuate harmful behaviors and force student-athletes and coaches to cover salient parts of their identities
• Explore strategies for addressing unconscious bias in recruiting, hiring and retention to create a welcoming culture and attract talented student-athletes and staff

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Module 4: Unpacking Racism, Anti-Racism & Privilege

• Develop effective strategies for including White coaches and administrators as full diversity partners in conversations about race
• Learn how to recognize the forces of racism and use privilege to support student-athletes of color
• Explore the historical significance of antiracism and how coaches and administrators consume and confront racist ideas, policies and practices on the team and in the department

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It was super racist when someone said, "poor kids are just as smart as white kids" because it categorized people into boxes and insinuated so much about how the true racist mind works. It infers that white kids are the gold standard and not poor, and all other kids are just trying to measure up.


(FYI, Biden made that statement, but I wanted you to first agree with the despicableness of the statement before mentioning the origin.)

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It's always so telling what gets F16 riled up.

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For a group of folks who like to call others out for playing the victim, they sure do like playing the victim a lot.

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Pointing out how an ideology is flawed and inherently racist is playing the victim?

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No, but constantly raging on a message board about how everyone is out to get you, attacking strawmen ad nauseum, and then resorting to arguments that are tantamount to, "I know you are but what am I?" when you get a response is.

HTH

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AggieVictor10 said:

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It's always so telling what gets F16 riled up.

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For a group of folks who like to call others out for playing the victim, they sure do like playing the victim a lot.

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Pointing out how an ideology is flawed and inherently racist is playing the victim?

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No, but constantly raging on a message board about how everyone is out to get you, attacking strawmen ad nauseum, and then resorting to arguments that are tantamount to, "I know you are but what am I?" when you get a response is.

HTH

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Drama queen much?

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I've been rooting for A&M teams for 35+ years, but with moves likes this it makes it a lot harder (stolen from F16).
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3274737

https://12thman.com/news/2022/2/24/general-texas-am-athletics-announces-partnership-with-return-on-inclusion.aspx

Are you 12th Man members happy that your donated money is being spent this way (or school money if that's where its coming from)?

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Texas A&M Athletics Announces Partnership with Return on Inclusion

BRYAN-COLLEGE STATION, Texas Texas A&M Athletics has partnered with industry-leading Return on Inclusion (ROI) to provide sport-specific diversity and inclusion education to coaches, staff and administrators.

"We are ecstatic to partner with ROI to provide additional education opportunities to our student-athletes, coaches and staff," Texas A&M Director of Athletics Ross Bjork said. "Nevin (Caple) is the subject-matter expert that will help Texas A&M Athletics to continue to pioneer diversity and inclusion throughout this groundbreaking partnership. I am looking forward to doing the work alongside our amazing staff and I would like to acknowledge the efforts from The Aggie Commitment to bring this partnership to life. "

ROI and Founder/CEO Nevin Caple are dedicated to developing inclusive leaders and fostering a culture of belonging across social and cultural differences. The self-paced educational modules standardize learning methods, deepening the commitment to help every coach and athletic administrator develop the skills and competencies necessary to support student-athletes and achieve inclusive excellence in programs, policies and practices.

"This is a special day in college athletics," Caple said. "With a top-down commitment to the work of inclusion, Texas A&M exemplifies the importance of preparing coaches, administrators, and staff to lead inclusively. We have a significant opportunity to shape culture and center the needs of student-athletes by weaving diversity, inclusion, and belonging into every aspect of the athletic department. Under the leadership of Ross (Bjork) and his team, Texas A&M is showing us what is possible"

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Divided into six online modules, Return On Inclusion's comprehensive diversity and inclusion training is designed specifically for college athletic departments. Participants receive instruction on a variety of topics, including:

• Diversity, Inclusion & Belonging Foundations
• Cultural Competence & Managing Relationships
• Overcoming Bias, Microaggressions & Covering
• Unpacking Racism, Anti-Racism & Privilege
• LGBTQ+ Inclusion & Gender Stereotypes
• Inclusive Leadership & Strategic Plan Development

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In light of diversity, inclusion racism etc.....this entrance song for the football team at Kyle, which is laced with profanities including use of the n-word..what is the intent, strategy, message behind its selection?

Should we not go in another direction?

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It's always so telling what gets F16 riled up.

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For a group of folks who like to call others out for playing the victim, they sure do like playing the victim a lot.

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Pointing out how an ideology is flawed and inherently racist is playing the victim?

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No, but constantly raging on a message board about how everyone is out to get you, attacking strawmen ad nauseum, and then resorting to arguments that are tantamount to, "I know you are but what am I?" when you get a response is.

HTH

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No, it doesn't help, it moves the conversation in no meaningful direction.

A) Which posts are stating people are out to get them?
B) Strawmen are supposed to be attacked, they are weak arguments with no substance that should be swiftly dismantled.
C) The only argument akin to "I know you are, but what am I?" seems to be

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For a group of folks who like to call others out for playing the victim, they sure do like playing the victim a lot.

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I haven't seen you discuss one aspect of this based on merits, I have quoted both of your posts in this one response and neither of them seem to add substance to the discussion. Please feel free to discuss why you think Return on Inclusion adds something of value to our athletic department.

I think this is a complete waste of resources for the TMF. However, I assume over the years they have frivolously blown money on a lot of things I wouldn't agree with. Will this make me not root for the team? No. But, I will say that all of this non-sense is just virtue signaling and jumping up and down to say, "look at me! look at me!!! I'm INCLUSIVE!!!".

Take it for what it is, money wasted for a bunch of entitled rich people to assuage their guilt for whatever they think their forefathers did to create such a horribly unfair society. It does nothing to change anything. Move on.

Open, honest dialogue is generally the best approach.

We must do better.

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Seems to me, for any endeavor to be successful the organization needs to have the most qualified people in each position, whether in sports, business or otherwise. Making the priority something else is folly. I'm an old, short guy who can't jump very high. Should I sue the NBA for not making me a starter on a team?
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Since when is John Larroquette a Russian Defense Minister?

Also, this part of the curriculum concerns me: "Unpacking Racism, Anti-Racism & Privilege"

The "Privilege" portion of it seems racist.

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I think this is a complete waste of resources for the TMF. However, I assume over the years they have frivolously blown money on a lot of things I wouldn't agree with. Will this make me not root for the team? No. But, I will say that all of this non-sense is just virtue signaling and jumping up and down to say, "look at me! look at me!!! I'm INCLUSIVE!!!".

Take it for what it is, money wasted for a bunch of entitled rich people to assuage their guilt for whatever they think their forefathers did to create such a horribly unfair society. It does nothing to change anything. Move on.

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It's only "inclusive" if you follow their agenda. Once you detract from it, they no longer follow their inclusion protocol.

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I've been rooting for A&M teams for 35+ years, but with moves likes this it makes it a lot harder (stolen from F16).
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3274737

https://12thman.com/news/2022/2/24/general-texas-am-athletics-announces-partnership-with-return-on-inclusion.aspx

Are you 12th Man members happy that your donated money is being spent this way (or school money if that's where its coming from)?

Divided into six online modules, Return On Inclusion's comprehensive diversity and inclusion training is designed specifically for college athletic departments. Participants receive instruction on a variety of topics, including:

• Diversity, Inclusion & Belonging Foundations
• Cultural Competence & Managing Relationships
• Overcoming Bias, Microaggressions & Covering
• Unpacking Racism, Anti-Racism & Privilege
• LGBTQ+ Inclusion & Gender Stereotypes
• Inclusive Leadership & Strategic Plan Development

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Nothing in this training is forcing you to change your sexual orientation. Some of it is rooted in basic human decency. Respect for people and their choices. Its the hominization of humans to be 1 collective race, devoid of titles and labels. Eventually.

Then the Russians come to the United States and assign us all new farm jobs.