TnAg23 said:

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Sparkie said:

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TnAg23 said:

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Sparkie said:

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TnAg23 said:

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Again, I don't care about how bad things are in California. They are one of the worst run government entities in the world.

Ask Colorado, Oklahoma, and Alaska how their black market cannabis market is going.

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Cigarettes are legal in New York but they are illegally trucked in to avoid the high taxes. Why pay taxes on marijuana when it's cheaper from the black market.

Colorado:

"some Colorado marijuana users would prefer to stay loyal to aa local grower compared to paying the higher dispensary prices."

"I've never seen the black market for marijuana as robust and as expertly cultivated, forgive that pun, as I have right now," said District Attorney George Brauchler, who has been a prosecutor for 25 years."


"The DEA has claimed to see a steady increase in the number of illegal marijuana plants seized since 2014"

From 2013 to 2019, the investigative plant seizures increased from 7,300 to 68,000. Over 900% increase.

"One of the largest busts occurred in the 18th Judicial District where 80,000 plants were seized across 41 homes."

The results supported some of the findings in the Hughes et al. (2019) but also challenged the
notion that medical and recreational marijuana dispensaries had the same impact on crime. The
authors found "street segments with a recreational marijuana dispensary experienced a statistically
significant increase in the level of property crime relative to controls."

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Here is the link to the full article that he carefully selected these quotes from.
[url=https://www.cpr.org/2019/06/12/colorados-still-exporting-black-market-cannabis-because-it-makes-tons-of-money-in-other-states/][/url]

Colorados still Exporting Black Market Cannabis because it makes Tons of Money in Other States

It talks about how people in Colorado are exporting cannabis to other states. I have already said several times that most of what is in College Station is coming from the Legal States (Particularly Oklahoma and Colorado).



This article is NOT talking about the people of Colorado buying illegal cannabis because it's cheaper.

Because cannabis is legal in Colorado, and they don't have absurdly high tax rates, It is worth significantly more in Texas than it is in Colorado.

This leads to the incentive of transporting into Texas.

Read the WHOLE article for yourself, and form your own opinion.

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Stop making **** up.

The information came from
THE LEGALIZATION OF
MARIJUANA IN COLORADO: THE IMPACT
Volume 7
September 2020

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This is a straight-up lie.

A simple google search and the command-f function to search a page will show that 3/6 of the above quotes show up nowhere in "THE LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA IN COLORADO: THE IMPACT" Volume 7, and the few that do all cite sources to other articles.

For the few sensible people on here who are neutral and are simply interested in this debate, I'd highly encourage you to check this for yourself.

If you are lying about your sources, I wonder what else you are lying about.

Can't wait to hear this excuse.

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Are you a habitual liar in real life or just online?

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some Colorado marijuana users would prefer to stay loyal to aa local grower compared to paying the higher dispensary prices."

"I've never seen the black market for marijuana as robust and as expertly cultivated, forgive that pun, as I have right now," said District Attorney George Brauchler, who has been a prosecutor for 25 years."

Page:47
"The DEA has claimed to see a steady increase in the number of illegal marijuana plants seized since 2014"

Page: 45 chart
From 2013 to 2019, the investigative plant seizures increased from 7,300 to 68,000. Over 900% increase.

Page: 47
"One of the largest busts occurred in the 18th Judicial District where 80,000 plants were seized across 41 homes."

Page:58
The results supported some of the findings in the Hughes et al. (2019) but also challenged the
notion that medical and recreational marijuana dispensaries had the same impact on crime. The
authors found "street segments with a recreational marijuana dispensary experienced a statistically
significant increase in the level of property crime relative to controls."

Page:48 (added)
"One DEA supervisor claims "his team spends about 15 per cent of its time on marijuana trafficking
cases --a threefold increase from before legalization." They have seen an increase drug trafficking
organization in the state as well as large warehouses"

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cevans_40 said:

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Especially on TexAgs! It always amazes me how sheltered some folks are.

There are people here who think 'weed' is only smoked in dirty, rundown houses with groups of hardcore 'pot addicts' apparently.

If you do use, you'll clearly ruin your life and beat your wife and children.

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Marijuana is not cheap and, while I'll admit to having led a "sheltered" life, I have seen several of my son's friends repeatedly blow money on pot that they needed, NEEDED, for bills and even their own children's expenses.
Nevertheless, if we can lower the cost of pot and hurt the cartels by issuing pot growing licenses for people to grow it in their own homes, I would be for that.

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You don't get to decide how other people spend their money. I think buying fancy foreign cars is a dumb waste of money. If you like them, good for you. I can't stop you.

Also, relatively speaking, cannabis is cheaper than an equivalent amount of fancy drinks at bars.

5 Mixed Drinks would get me about as intoxicated as smoking 2 gs.
2 gs costs about $20 in places where Cannabis is illegal (Less if it's legal). 5 Old fashions would cost me $60 on Northgate.

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Your economic argument is terrible. How much is 5 old fashions at home? Probably well less than $20 unless you are buying top shelf whiskey. You are paying for service and the atmosphere. If bars were opened just to facilitate smoking, the weed would undoubtedly be more expensive. Now I agree with your argument concerning deciding how people spend their money.

The issue that I have is that under our current laws and the rules of football, marijuana is illegal and against the rules. Why on earth would someone risk millions for weed? I can't understand that.

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My point was that some people are dumb with their money. You can be dumb with cars, dumb with alcohol, or dumb with cannabis. It isn't BMW's fault. It isn't Maker's Mark's fault, and it isn't cannabis's fault.

Also, let's change the example to cheap beers. If I had to guess, it'd take 6-7 Natural Lights to get me as intoxicated as a 1 gram cigarette. The beers cost a dollar each. The gram cost $10, (Again, much less if it's legal)

I know that Old fashions at Northgate were an extreme example. But Cannabis is relatively cheap unless you are smoking a ridiculous amount (which is bad, because too much of anything is bad, including alcohol, sugar, and caffeine)

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"Unless you are smoking a ridiculous amount"...amen.

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TnAg23 said:

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Sparkie said:

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TnAg23 said:

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Sparkie said:

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Again, I don't care about how bad things are in California. They are one of the worst run government entities in the world.

Ask Colorado, Oklahoma, and Alaska how their black market cannabis market is going.

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Cigarettes are legal in New York but they are illegally trucked in to avoid the high taxes. Why pay taxes on marijuana when it's cheaper from the black market.

Colorado:

"some Colorado marijuana users would prefer to stay loyal to aa local grower compared to paying the higher dispensary prices."

"I've never seen the black market for marijuana as robust and as expertly cultivated, forgive that pun, as I have right now," said District Attorney George Brauchler, who has been a prosecutor for 25 years."


"The DEA has claimed to see a steady increase in the number of illegal marijuana plants seized since 2014"

From 2013 to 2019, the investigative plant seizures increased from 7,300 to 68,000. Over 900% increase.

"One of the largest busts occurred in the 18th Judicial District where 80,000 plants were seized across 41 homes."

The results supported some of the findings in the Hughes et al. (2019) but also challenged the
notion that medical and recreational marijuana dispensaries had the same impact on crime. The
authors found "street segments with a recreational marijuana dispensary experienced a statistically
significant increase in the level of property crime relative to controls."

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Here is the link to the full article that he carefully selected these quotes from.
[url=https://www.cpr.org/2019/06/12/colorados-still-exporting-black-market-cannabis-because-it-makes-tons-of-money-in-other-states/][/url]

Colorados still Exporting Black Market Cannabis because it makes Tons of Money in Other States

It talks about how people in Colorado are exporting cannabis to other states. I have already said several times that most of what is in College Station is coming from the Legal States (Particularly Oklahoma and Colorado).



This article is NOT talking about the people of Colorado buying illegal cannabis because it's cheaper.

Because cannabis is legal in Colorado, and they don't have absurdly high tax rates, It is worth significantly more in Texas than it is in Colorado.

This leads to the incentive of transporting into Texas.

Read the WHOLE article for yourself, and form your own opinion.

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Stop making **** up.

The information came from
THE LEGALIZATION OF
MARIJUANA IN COLORADO: THE IMPACT
Volume 7
September 2020

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This is a straight-up lie.

A simple google search and the command-f function to search a page will show that 3/6 of the above quotes show up nowhere in "THE LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA IN COLORADO: THE IMPACT" Volume 7, and the few that do all cite sources to other articles.

For the few sensible people on here who are neutral and are simply interested in this debate, I'd highly encourage you to check this for yourself.

If you are lying about your sources, I wonder what else you are lying about.

Can't wait to hear this excuse.

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Are you a habitual liar in real life or just online?

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some Colorado marijuana users would prefer to stay loyal to aa local grower compared to paying the higher dispensary prices."

"I've never seen the black market for marijuana as robust and as expertly cultivated, forgive that pun, as I have right now," said District Attorney George Brauchler, who has been a prosecutor for 25 years."

Page:47
"The DEA has claimed to see a steady increase in the number of illegal marijuana plants seized since 2014"

Page: 45 chart
From 2013 to 2019, the investigative plant seizures increased from 7,300 to 68,000. Over 900% increase.

Page: 47
"One of the largest busts occurred in the 18th Judicial District where 80,000 plants were seized across 41 homes."

Page:58
The results supported some of the findings in the Hughes et al. (2019) but also challenged the
notion that medical and recreational marijuana dispensaries had the same impact on crime. The
authors found "street segments with a recreational marijuana dispensary experienced a statistically
significant increase in the level of property crime relative to controls."

Page:48 (added)
"One DEA supervisor claims "his team spends about 15 per cent of its time on marijuana trafficking
cases --a threefold increase from before legalization." They have seen an increase drug trafficking
organization in the state as well as large warehouses"

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This should be its own thread at this point.

https://www.thenmi.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/RMHIDTA-Marijuana-Report-2020-2.pdf

Above is the link to THE LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA IN COLORADO: THE IMPACT Volume 7.

My claim is that quotes 1, 2, and 4 show up nowhere in this study.

Quotes 3, 5, and 6 do, but all cite other articles as sources.

You can use COMMAND-F on macs or CTRL-F on windows to search for keywords in a document.

See for yourselves who is lying.

I am not responding to Sparkie anymore.

At any rate, people kill each other over grass. Legalizing it is good but it doesn't stop people selling it outside of jurisdiction.

It should still be legal.


And To bring this back to the OP, Idon't give two ****s if our football players smoke some grass, especially after the season ends.

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At any rate, people kill each other over grass. Legalizing it is good but it doesn't stop people selling it outside of jurisdiction.

It should still be legal.


And To bring this back to the OP, Idon't give two ****s if our football players smoke some grass, especially after the season ends.

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Are you from Alaska or do you have some connection to it?
What is it like up there?

Alaska is legal and isolated from the rest of the US, so I figure It'd be a pretty good indication of what the lower 48 would look like if Cannabis were legal in all 50.

What does the black market look like?
What is crime like?
Do people work?
Are there still doctors, lawyers, and engineers?

Dude I'm from Central Texas. I lived in Alaska for several years after college. But I live here.

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Dude I'm from Central Texas. I lived in Alaska for several years after college. But I live here.

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Sorry, I just thought if you lived in Alaska still you'd have some good information to add to this conversation.

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I care. This may come as a shock to you but this will not be the last young person arrested for possession and it's an utter waste of time resources and money. So it's probably about time to stop doing it.

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Nothing about poor decisions by people who smoke pot would ever shock me. I didn't like that the drinking age went from 18 to 21 a few years before I turned 18. I drank plenty when I was 18-20 years old and I spent a lot of time complaining about the drinking age too. I made plenty of dumb decisions regarding alcohol when I was young too. But I never had a draft position at risk when I made those decisions. Again, I don't care if we make it legal. I am not here to tell you or anybody else that it should be illegal. I just think people with a lot at stake (like potential future 1st round draft picks) should make better decisions when it comes to choosing to do things that are currently illegal.

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We get it. It's illegal and he made a poor decision. The real question is do you get the fact that the streets are not safer now that we have this "hardened criminal" off the streets?

Right back at cha.

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I care. This may come as a shock to you but this will not be the last young person arrested for possession and it's an utter waste of time resources and money. So it's probably about time to stop doing it.

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Nothing about poor decisions by people who smoke pot would ever shock me. I didn't like that the drinking age went from 18 to 21 a few years before I turned 18. I drank plenty when I was 18-20 years old and I spent a lot of time complaining about the drinking age too. I made plenty of dumb decisions regarding alcohol when I was young too. But I never had a draft position at risk when I made those decisions. Again, I don't care if we make it legal. I am not here to tell you or anybody else that it should be illegal. I just think people with a lot at stake (like potential future 1st round draft picks) should make better decisions when it comes to choosing to do things that are currently illegal.

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We get it. It's illegal and he made a poor decision. The real question is do you get the fact that the streets are not safer now that we have this "hardened criminal" off the streets?

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Yes. And I don't think I have ever said anything to the contrary. Given that this is the Football board and not the politics board, I have tried to stick to discussing the football aspect of this and not the political "should it be legal" aspect.

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The same old argument, "It's just weed. Legalize it." How many that say this smoke it regularly and have real jobs?

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….um, A LOT of people. Way more than you would ever think.

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Depends on what he means by "regularly". I know a plenty of people who smoke it every now and then for recreation. They are almost all in real, well-paying jobs and do their jobs well. I don't know anybody who smokes it daily or multiple times a week that isn't sub-par at their job or hasn't had trouble hanging on to good jobs or good relationships.

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The same old argument, "It's just weed. Legalize it." How many that say this smoke it regularly and have real jobs?

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….um, A LOT of people. Way more than you would ever think.

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Depends on what he means by "regularly". I know a plenty of people who smoke it every now and then for recreation. They are almost all in real, well-paying jobs and do their jobs well. I don't know anybody who smokes it daily or multiple times a week that isn't sub-par at their job or hasn't had trouble hanging on to good jobs or good relationships.

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Well I hate to be a "poster" child BUT I smoked virtually every day at A&M starting spring of freshman year after being introduced to it by fellow Ags. I continued during my 3 years at A&M said pot smoking led to a Summa Cum Laude degree and admission to med school. Pot continued to ravage my brain as I earned a MD degree and only after getting said degree with potential drug testing did I cease these illicit activities. I quit cold turkey with no lasting effects and despite some other experimentation with other illegal substances I guess it wasn't the gateway drug some of you think it was. I have not smoked in 35 years yet still function as a physician despite the awful toll it took on my body for those 7 years of dangerous usage.

Some of you don't understand it and certainly don't understand addiction. Is it harmless? No but it's safer and less detrimental than alcohol. Should it be legalized ? Yes and taxed just like evil casinos and gambling.

But Texas will probably keep their political heads up their ass and let other states sell it and have casino revenue as well. Thank goodness for oil revenue or you would be living in an overgrown Alabama/ New Mexico

Maybe he doesn't want to be a NY Giant.