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Kyler Murray
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No. It's only the ones who don't transfer to the good guys that quit on their team.TX_Aggie37 said:Is every player that transfers a whiny self important ***** that quit on his team?SunrayAg said:
Don't care what jakes opinion was.
Still a whiny little self important ***** that quit on his team.
Have you been watching him this year. Highest % passer in the league.
"Don't care what a teammate said, who was also part of the QB room. I, a fan who has likely never even been inside the locker room, clearly knows better!"SunrayAg said:
Don't care what jakes opinion was.
Still a whiny little self important ***** that quit on his team.
His being an elite baseball talent just shows that he is an elite athlete whose resume can't just be thrown out the window. If we want to punish athletes for playing bad defenses, let's punish the last 2 heismans (heismen?) for playing on freakishly insane offenses that made them look better than they really might have been. Kyler still put up 400+ yards and 3 TDs with no INTs against Bama.Sparkie said:Not sure how MLB pertains to college football stats, but it's your dime.Alpha Texan said:
Well… I'm not gonna sit here and defend those defenses, but 10/10 times I'll take a heisman against those high school defenses over not winning a heisman. Bonus points if I have to give my first round signing bonus back to an MLB team to be the #1 NFL draft pick.
He is a great player and had amazing stats in college. But, facing little12 defenses is like having cheat codes. It does diminish his accomplishment.
It doesn't diminish his accomplishment at all. #2 that year was Tua. Tua played on a team that was leaps and bounds ahead of every SEC team in terms of talent and coaching, just as OU was in the Big 12. Are his accomplishments diminished simply because his team was so much better than everyone else in the conference? Tua was 1st team All-SEC that year, but compared to Bama, he played against much weaker teams. Did anyone question why he was 1st team.Sparkie said:Not sure how MLB pertains to college football stats, but it's your dime.Alpha Texan said:
Well… I'm not gonna sit here and defend those defenses, but 10/10 times I'll take a heisman against those high school defenses over not winning a heisman. Bonus points if I have to give my first round signing bonus back to an MLB team to be the #1 NFL draft pick.
He is a great player and had amazing stats in college. But, facing little12 defenses is like having cheat codes. It does diminish his accomplishment.
Was Johnny's Heisman diminished because it was one of the weaker fields of finalists we've seen in a while w/ Klein and Teo? No.
Arizona is not trying to make Kyler a pocket passer, defenses have adjusted and are using a containment rush to keep him in the pocket and to limit his running and or scrambling. This has been the strategy by defenses most of the year, but especially since week 5. Try watching the Cardinals more than once a year next time before your spout off with some your high level analysis..W said:
Arizona is trying to make him a pocket passer and cut down on the running / scrambling.
the results were mixed tonight
Who has started against Bama?Viper16 said:LOL.......we've only had 2 QBs that have beaten Bama since 2012......Sparkie said:Dont care, couldnt beat Bama.Viper16 said:He seems to be playing very good against those big NFL defenses.........Sparkie said:Won he Heisman while facing little12 defenses.Alpha Texan said:He seems to be an alright teammate. His leaving here wasn't that he's selfish, it's that our coaching staff blew it. Hubenak has given us the inside scoop on that story and imo, any wise QB would've transferred. Kyler had reason to think he should be the guy on the field: he won a heisman.Buford T. Justice said:
F that. He's still a cancer.
Me, me, me.
Manziel
Hill
Allen
Knight
Mond
Calzada
2 out of 6 ain't that bad.
Jake would not have known of all the dynamics that were a part of that quarterback situation. He would not be aware of all private conversations with both quarterbacks. He would not be aware of the parents conversations with the coaches. No way he knew everything the coaches were dealing with when it related to Kyler and Kyle.
Granted, it's the coaches responsibility to keep the entire quarterback room from transferring so the end blame is definitely on Sumlin. However, it doesn't change the fact that the poster here still could be very correct in that Kyler is a whiny little ***** (a very rich one though).
Granted, it's the coaches responsibility to keep the entire quarterback room from transferring so the end blame is definitely on Sumlin. However, it doesn't change the fact that the poster here still could be very correct in that Kyler is a whiny little ***** (a very rich one though).
Its just an outside observation but clearly Sumlin wasn't working closely enough with the individual players (like Allen and Murray) to develop any trust or personal relationships with key players. Thus when there was anxiety or insecurity, the individual players had no guidance on what to expect or what comes next.
Contrast that with Jimbo. He might is jawing with the players every time they leave the field but listen the the post-game pressers.... every players says things like "Coach always says this or that..." Over and over, these guys know just where they stand with Jimbo and his staff.
I'm sure there are plenty of players who prefer not getting ripped by coach but if they've been playing football for 15 years (like many of them have), they know that's part of football.
Maybe there is a place for the CEO coach (emotionally aloof and stoic) which arguably is Sumlin's style but he lost two 5 star QBs in 1 season (Both NFL quality) because BOTH of them resented how they were being treated by his staff.
Contrast that with Jimbo. He might is jawing with the players every time they leave the field but listen the the post-game pressers.... every players says things like "Coach always says this or that..." Over and over, these guys know just where they stand with Jimbo and his staff.
I'm sure there are plenty of players who prefer not getting ripped by coach but if they've been playing football for 15 years (like many of them have), they know that's part of football.
Maybe there is a place for the CEO coach (emotionally aloof and stoic) which arguably is Sumlin's style but he lost two 5 star QBs in 1 season (Both NFL quality) because BOTH of them resented how they were being treated by his staff.
Pretty wild we can't have a mature conversation about Kyler and his happenings in the NFL without turning it into a transfer/quit/can't make it in the sec/too small/sumlin messed him up whatever fest.
Kyler Murray was about to be flattened. Two Minnesota Vikings defenders were bearing down on him last month when the Arizona Cardinals quarterback had no choice but to turn his back to his own receivers for the sake of his own well-being.
Nothing about what happened next was scripted. Murray scrambled nearly 30 yards to the opposite sideline and heaved the ballon the run and across his body45 yards in the air, where receiver Rondale Moore had carefully positioned himself. Moore carried the ball another 40 yards into the end zone.
It was a dazzling play that captured how the Cardinals have mastered a style of offense that's taking over the NFL. It's familiar to anyone who has played with a bunch of friends in the park. That's because it looks like schoolyard football.
Murray is part of a generation of quarterbacks who have never experienced the pressure to stand in the pocket like Tom Brady. Murray had the freedom to freewheel in high school, and he played the same way in college eventually winning the Heisman Trophy because of it. Then he became the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft and has only gotten better playing the same way.
While Murray was on his way to going undefeated in high school, Kingsbury was having his own realization about how quarterbacks can thrive in this manner. In 2012, he was the offensive coordinator at Texas A&M when a freshman quarterback named Johnny Manziel dashed around the field like his shoes were on fire and upset No. 1 Alabama.
"Johnny Football really got it started for me," Kingsbury says. "That was the one where I really learned to relinquish the reins."
Kingsbury, whose offensive philosophy was steeped in the pass-heavy system called the "Air Raid," went on to become the coach at Texas Tech. That's where he had an even more talented quarterback who had a similar knack for those uncanny plays: Patrick Mahomes.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/kyler-murray-arizona-cardinals-mvp-undefeated-11634701667
Kilff Kingsbury and Kyler Murray have been a great head coach and quarterback combo for the Arizona Cardinals. Even with a disappointing loss to the short handed Green Bay Packers at home, the Cardinals will probably win the NFC West.
As for Kyler's college days, Kevin Sumlin and offensive coordinator Jake Spavital did not make a sufficient effort to adapt to Kyler's skill set. By transferring to Oklahoma, Kyler found an offensive system that would suit his skill set.
Nothing about what happened next was scripted. Murray scrambled nearly 30 yards to the opposite sideline and heaved the ballon the run and across his body45 yards in the air, where receiver Rondale Moore had carefully positioned himself. Moore carried the ball another 40 yards into the end zone.
It was a dazzling play that captured how the Cardinals have mastered a style of offense that's taking over the NFL. It's familiar to anyone who has played with a bunch of friends in the park. That's because it looks like schoolyard football.
Murray is part of a generation of quarterbacks who have never experienced the pressure to stand in the pocket like Tom Brady. Murray had the freedom to freewheel in high school, and he played the same way in college eventually winning the Heisman Trophy because of it. Then he became the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft and has only gotten better playing the same way.
While Murray was on his way to going undefeated in high school, Kingsbury was having his own realization about how quarterbacks can thrive in this manner. In 2012, he was the offensive coordinator at Texas A&M when a freshman quarterback named Johnny Manziel dashed around the field like his shoes were on fire and upset No. 1 Alabama.
"Johnny Football really got it started for me," Kingsbury says. "That was the one where I really learned to relinquish the reins."
Kingsbury, whose offensive philosophy was steeped in the pass-heavy system called the "Air Raid," went on to become the coach at Texas Tech. That's where he had an even more talented quarterback who had a similar knack for those uncanny plays: Patrick Mahomes.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/kyler-murray-arizona-cardinals-mvp-undefeated-11634701667
Kilff Kingsbury and Kyler Murray have been a great head coach and quarterback combo for the Arizona Cardinals. Even with a disappointing loss to the short handed Green Bay Packers at home, the Cardinals will probably win the NFC West.
As for Kyler's college days, Kevin Sumlin and offensive coordinator Jake Spavital did not make a sufficient effort to adapt to Kyler's skill set. By transferring to Oklahoma, Kyler found an offensive system that would suit his skill set.
He didn't quit, his coach quit on himSunrayAg said:
Don't care what jakes opinion was.
Still a whiny little self important ***** that quit on his team.
Not sure he was an elite baseball talent, maybe he was. But I do know he never threw for 400 yards and 3 TDs vs. Bama. If you are referring to the CFP game, it was 21-0 at 1Q, 28-0 and 31-10 at HT, all the stats after that really don't matter.
All credit to him, aTm fans just have a bad taste in their mouth from his time here, and he wasn't ready to play as a true fish and should have RSd. Don't blame him for transferring out of the Sumlin S show with a terrible offense and no coaching.
He has played great in the NFL, but the NFL has proven multiple times over that QBs like Manning, Brady, etc. win big in the NFL, not dual-threat QBs. There is nothing new in the NFL and if Michael Vick could not change the NFL, then Manziel or Murray were/are not going to change it either.
Green Bay Sd the bed on the goal line at the end of the game. Being in a shotgun or pistol formation from 12 inches is ridiculous, get under center, I formation, and go straight ahead 4 times. GB was lucky to win and Kyler did a great job getting his team in a position to win.
All credit to him, aTm fans just have a bad taste in their mouth from his time here, and he wasn't ready to play as a true fish and should have RSd. Don't blame him for transferring out of the Sumlin S show with a terrible offense and no coaching.
He has played great in the NFL, but the NFL has proven multiple times over that QBs like Manning, Brady, etc. win big in the NFL, not dual-threat QBs. There is nothing new in the NFL and if Michael Vick could not change the NFL, then Manziel or Murray were/are not going to change it either.
Green Bay Sd the bed on the goal line at the end of the game. Being in a shotgun or pistol formation from 12 inches is ridiculous, get under center, I formation, and go straight ahead 4 times. GB was lucky to win and Kyler did a great job getting his team in a position to win.
RealTalk said:Who has started against Bama?Viper16 said:LOL.......we've only had 2 QBs that have beaten Bama since 2012......Sparkie said:Dont care, couldnt beat Bama.Viper16 said:He seems to be playing very good against those big NFL defenses.........Sparkie said:Won he Heisman while facing little12 defenses.Alpha Texan said:He seems to be an alright teammate. His leaving here wasn't that he's selfish, it's that our coaching staff blew it. Hubenak has given us the inside scoop on that story and imo, any wise QB would've transferred. Kyler had reason to think he should be the guy on the field: he won a heisman.Buford T. Justice said:
F that. He's still a cancer.
Me, me, me.
Manziel
Hill
Allen
Knight
Mond
Calzada
2 out of 6 ain't that bad.
3 of those have " beaten Bama"
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Murray was selected 9th overall in the MLB draft, which is an elite indicator to me but that's totally opinionated. He may have been drafted even higher, but teams knew the risk of him never picking up a bat and going to the NFL instead. He only threw for 300 against Bama, rushed for the other 100, and while 300 is amazing, it does go to your point that he's needed his legs in the past, which is not the best recipe for success. Going into the 4th quarter of that CFP game, it was an 11 point game and OU had scored 20 of the last 23 points, including winning the 3rdQ 10-0. OU was not going gentle into that goodnight, and Bama was not comfortable going into the 4th.
I'm not saying he's gonna change the NFL, neither is Lamar, despite winning an MVP 2 seasons ago. QBs who are elite passers will still win 90% of super bowls. But I believe Kyler has the arm to be elite, or get close enough to be the 10%. I was disappointed with his arm strength his freshman year at A&M. I expected a baseball arm, and he didn't have it, but when he played college baseball, he moved to the outfield and grew a lot of arm strength.in AZ, He's not scrambling around and playing Houdini like he used to. He's averaging less than 20 rushing yards per game this year, Which is less than elite arm talent and super bowl QB Russel Wilson rushes for. Kliff has him sitting in the pocket and ripping the ball across the field in that spread-em-out offense. Kliff is a brilliant offensive mind as has set a great offense ahead of Kyler, who is molding it to his liking.
Between Lamar and Vick winning MVPs, I believe he can do that. And with dual-threat QBs Russel Wilson and Commie Kaepernick making several super bowls and winning 1, I believe he can do that too. He can run as well as any of those guys and pass almost as well as any of them in his 2nd year.
Kyler has also been a leader for that team since draft day, despite what many of bitter ags, who you mentioned, believe. Last summer, amid Covid, Kyler told his receivers, "Hey Texas is open. Come out here for the summer, I'll take care of you, and let's start getting reps together."
Green bay in shotgun inside the 1 blew my mind. If you don't want Rodgers to get under a dogpile, send Jordan Love out there, sheesh. They screwed it up doing the same thing in the first half at one point, too, I think.
I'm not saying he's gonna change the NFL, neither is Lamar, despite winning an MVP 2 seasons ago. QBs who are elite passers will still win 90% of super bowls. But I believe Kyler has the arm to be elite, or get close enough to be the 10%. I was disappointed with his arm strength his freshman year at A&M. I expected a baseball arm, and he didn't have it, but when he played college baseball, he moved to the outfield and grew a lot of arm strength.in AZ, He's not scrambling around and playing Houdini like he used to. He's averaging less than 20 rushing yards per game this year, Which is less than elite arm talent and super bowl QB Russel Wilson rushes for. Kliff has him sitting in the pocket and ripping the ball across the field in that spread-em-out offense. Kliff is a brilliant offensive mind as has set a great offense ahead of Kyler, who is molding it to his liking.
Between Lamar and Vick winning MVPs, I believe he can do that. And with dual-threat QBs Russel Wilson and Commie Kaepernick making several super bowls and winning 1, I believe he can do that too. He can run as well as any of those guys and pass almost as well as any of them in his 2nd year.
Kyler has also been a leader for that team since draft day, despite what many of bitter ags, who you mentioned, believe. Last summer, amid Covid, Kyler told his receivers, "Hey Texas is open. Come out here for the summer, I'll take care of you, and let's start getting reps together."
Green bay in shotgun inside the 1 blew my mind. If you don't want Rodgers to get under a dogpile, send Jordan Love out there, sheesh. They screwed it up doing the same thing in the first half at one point, too, I think.
User name checks out.RodTidwell said:
Arizona is not trying to make Kyler a pocket passer,
Not complaining at all......trying to prove a point.....Just because Kyler didn't "beat Bama", that fact alone doesn't make him a "bad QB."RealTalk said:Who has started against Bama?Viper16 said:LOL.......we've only had 2 QBs that have beaten Bama since 2012......Sparkie said:Dont care, couldnt beat Bama.Viper16 said:He seems to be playing very good against those big NFL defenses.........Sparkie said:Won he Heisman while facing little12 defenses.Alpha Texan said:He seems to be an alright teammate. His leaving here wasn't that he's selfish, it's that our coaching staff blew it. Hubenak has given us the inside scoop on that story and imo, any wise QB would've transferred. Kyler had reason to think he should be the guy on the field: he won a heisman.Buford T. Justice said:
F that. He's still a cancer.
Me, me, me.
Manziel
Hill
Allen
Knight
Mond
Calzada23 of 6 ain't that bad.
Batting .500.....not a bad average in MLB. .... or against Bama.
Lex Talionis.......Ordo Seclorum
uneedastraw said:
Jake would not have known of all the dynamics that were a part of that quarterback situation. He would not be aware of all private conversations with both quarterbacks. He would not be aware of the parents conversations with the coaches. No way he knew everything the coaches were dealing with when it related to Kyler and Kyle.
Granted, it's the coaches responsibility to keep the entire quarterback room from transferring so the end blame is definitely on Sumlin. However, it doesn't change the fact that the poster here still could be very correct in that Kyler is a whiny little ***** (a very rich one though).
Jake would know infinitely more about what went on behind the scenes than anyone here. Could the poster be correct? Yes, just as a broken clock is correct twice a day. I'll defer to someone actually in the QB room though.
Kyler was not well liked by some of the players on the Texas Aggie baseball team because of his attitude while he was here.JimbosHatBarelyFits said:
Pretty wild we can't have a mature conversation about Kyler and his happenings in the NFL without turning it into a transfer/quit/can't make it in the sec/too small/sumlin messed him up whatever fest.
Chester
Chester said:Kyler was not well liked by some of the players on the Texas Aggie baseball team because of his attitude while he was here.JimbosHatBarelyFits said:
Pretty wild we can't have a mature conversation about Kyler and his happenings in the NFL without turning it into a transfer/quit/can't make it in the sec/too small/sumlin messed him up whatever fest.
I understand but this thread wasn't about his time at A&M. It's annoying how every NFL Kyler Murray thread is turned into an A&M Kyler Murray thread.
HS Gatorade POY and consensus 5* recruit
TexAgs: hE's sOFT!!!
Heisman winner, All-American, makes playoffs
TexAgs: hE's In tHe LiTtLe 12!!!
#9 MLB Pick and #1 NFL Pick
TexAgs: hE's ovERHYped and tOo LiTtle!!!
NFL ROY and Pro Bowl
TexAgs: hE's a WhiNEy ***** aNd BaD tEaMmATe!!!
TexAgs: hE's sOFT!!!
Heisman winner, All-American, makes playoffs
TexAgs: hE's In tHe LiTtLe 12!!!
#9 MLB Pick and #1 NFL Pick
TexAgs: hE's ovERHYped and tOo LiTtle!!!
NFL ROY and Pro Bowl
TexAgs: hE's a WhiNEy ***** aNd BaD tEaMmATe!!!
It was true when he was drafted and its true now...he's small and one blindside hit away from being done. Healthy and in peak playing shape he's a superb NFL player. A tweaked ankle or rolled up blocker will end his mobility quickly.Jarrin' Jay said:
Not sure he was an elite baseball talent, maybe he was. But I do know he never threw for 400 yards and 3 TDs vs. Bama. If you are referring to the CFP game, it was 21-0 at 1Q, 28-0 and 31-10 at HT, all the stats after that really don't matter.
All credit to him, aTm fans just have a bad taste in their mouth from his time here, and he wasn't ready to play as a true fish and should have RSd. Don't blame him for transferring out of the Sumlin S show with a terrible offense and no coaching.
He has played great in the NFL, but the NFL has proven multiple times over that QBs like Manning, Brady, etc. win big in the NFL, not dual-threat QBs. There is nothing new in the NFL and if Michael Vick could not change the NFL, then Manziel or Murray were/are not going to change it either.
Green Bay Sd the bed on the goal line at the end of the game. Being in a shotgun or pistol formation from 12 inches is ridiculous, get under center, I formation, and go straight ahead 4 times. GB was lucky to win and Kyler did a great job getting his team in a position to win.
Maybe we even beat Bama if we leave Kyler in the whole game so Kyle doesn't throw *checks stats* 3 PICK 6'S to Alabama.
*checks stats again* oh lord he really 3 pick 6s?
Not 3 INTs. 3 TDs to Bama defenders.
*checks stats again* oh lord he really 3 pick 6s?
Not 3 INTs. 3 TDs to Bama defenders.
Every time Kyler is mentioned on a TexAgs forum his time at A&M will be brought up. Get used to being annoyed.JimbosHatBarelyFits said:Chester said:Kyler was not well liked by some of the players on the Texas Aggie baseball team because of his attitude while he was here.JimbosHatBarelyFits said:
Pretty wild we can't have a mature conversation about Kyler and his happenings in the NFL without turning it into a transfer/quit/can't make it in the sec/too small/sumlin messed him up whatever fest.
I understand but this thread wasn't about his time at A&M. It's annoying how every NFL Kyler Murray thread is turned into an A&M Kyler Murray thread.
Chester
Maybe....4 interceptions that day.....Allen - 3 pick six......Murray - 1Alpha Texan said:
Maybe we even beat Bama if we leave Kyler in the whole game so Kyle doesn't throw *checks stats* 3 PICK 6'S to Alabama.
*checks stats again* oh lord he really 3 pick 6s?
Not 3 INTs. 3 TDs to Bama defenders.
Sumlin pulled Murray after the interception......Put Allen in and had 3rd pick six......
Well, you never know if leaving Murray in would have saved a pick six....
It is what it is...
Lex Talionis.......Ordo Seclorum
LOL...why don't you fix your original post instead?Viper16 said:Not complaining at all......trying to prove a point.....Just because Kyler didn't "beat Bama", that fact alone doesn't make him a "bad QB."RealTalk said:Who has started against Bama?Viper16 said:LOL.......we've only had 2 QBs that have beaten Bama since 2012......Sparkie said:Dont care, couldnt beat Bama.Viper16 said:He seems to be playing very good against those big NFL defenses.........Sparkie said:Won he Heisman while facing little12 defenses.Alpha Texan said:He seems to be an alright teammate. His leaving here wasn't that he's selfish, it's that our coaching staff blew it. Hubenak has given us the inside scoop on that story and imo, any wise QB would've transferred. Kyler had reason to think he should be the guy on the field: he won a heisman.Buford T. Justice said:
F that. He's still a cancer.
Me, me, me.
Manziel
Hill
Allen
Knight
Mond
Calzada23 of 6 ain't that bad.
Batting .500.....not a bad average in MLB. .... or against Bama.
I don't count Knight since he beat Bama when he was playing at OU.
I'm still not buying the whole" I have to tell you its a qb competition" scenario. I mean it was pretty obvious. Neither one was playin all that great. Im pretty sure Saban didn't tell Hurts there was a qb competition. When he yanked him for Tua to win the championship game against Georgia. You play to win the games. Both qbs where whiny imho.
No reason to fix it at all......Knight does count as one that beat Bama.....RealTalk said:LOL...why don't you fix your original post instead?Viper16 said:Not complaining at all......trying to prove a point.....Just because Kyler didn't "beat Bama", that fact alone doesn't make him a "bad QB."RealTalk said:Who has started against Bama?Viper16 said:LOL.......we've only had 2 QBs that have beaten Bama since 2012......Sparkie said:Dont care, couldnt beat Bama.Viper16 said:He seems to be playing very good against those big NFL defenses.........Sparkie said:Won he Heisman while facing little12 defenses.Alpha Texan said:He seems to be an alright teammate. His leaving here wasn't that he's selfish, it's that our coaching staff blew it. Hubenak has given us the inside scoop on that story and imo, any wise QB would've transferred. Kyler had reason to think he should be the guy on the field: he won a heisman.Buford T. Justice said:
F that. He's still a cancer.
Me, me, me.
Manziel
Hill
Allen
Knight
Mond
Calzada23 of 6 ain't that bad.
Batting .500.....not a bad average in MLB. .... or against Bama.
I don't count Knight since he beat Bama when he was playing at OU.
Baron Von Flag Smasher's post jogged my memory....that's why I changed the subsequent posts.....
Lex Talionis.......Ordo Seclorum
MLB draft is based on potential, much more so than NFL draft where someone drafted that high is expected to be NFL ready. I am not an expert on OU baseball but my understanding was Kyler was very average in college baseball and not even a starter.
Wow, go figure....you are on an A&M forum and yet people keep bringing up A&M when they discuss Kyler? LOL!!JimbosHatBarelyFits said:Chester said:Kyler was not well liked by some of the players on the Texas Aggie baseball team because of his attitude while he was here.JimbosHatBarelyFits said:
Pretty wild we can't have a mature conversation about Kyler and his happenings in the NFL without turning it into a transfer/quit/can't make it in the sec/too small/sumlin messed him up whatever fest.
I understand but this thread wasn't about his time at A&M. It's annoying how every NFL Kyler Murray thread is turned into an A&M Kyler Murray thread.
I'm sure the AZ Cardinals forum is not discussing A&M and him in the same sentence. May want to visit their forum.
Onionman said:Wow, go figure....you are on an A&M forum and yet people keep bringing up A&M when they discuss Kyler? LOL!!JimbosHatBarelyFits said:Chester said:Kyler was not well liked by some of the players on the Texas Aggie baseball team because of his attitude while he was here.JimbosHatBarelyFits said:
Pretty wild we can't have a mature conversation about Kyler and his happenings in the NFL without turning it into a transfer/quit/can't make it in the sec/too small/sumlin messed him up whatever fest.
I understand but this thread wasn't about his time at A&M. It's annoying how every NFL Kyler Murray thread is turned into an A&M Kyler Murray thread.
I'm sure the AZ Cardinals forum is not discussing A&M and him in the same sentence. May want to visit their forum.
It's not about his time at A&M being brought up. It's that it's brought up every single time. It's like it's
on a teleprompter or programmed in or something. The opinions never evolve.or change.
Hmmm, that's a really good point about them drafting for potential. Looking at it now, he wasn't a sub, He played 51 games and had 189 AB's with a decent average of .300. He had elite speed, good power for someone his size, averaging 1 HR every 19 AB's. So yeah, he showed signs of being able to hit, hit for power, he had the speed, and I assume he was fine in the field. But he never really broke through on any of those. He was a key piece of their lineup though.
The 20th pick that year, playing at Oregon State, however, didn't miss a game. He hit .348 with 19 HRs and he was also an outfielder. I know those are just a few stats, but the overwhelming majority of the other stats also lead me to say the Oregon State outfielder would be the better choice, yet he was picked 11 picks later. In conclusion, the idea of the MLB drafting for future potential while the NFL focuses more on your results as an indicator for the future is a really good point. Thanks for that!
The 20th pick that year, playing at Oregon State, however, didn't miss a game. He hit .348 with 19 HRs and he was also an outfielder. I know those are just a few stats, but the overwhelming majority of the other stats also lead me to say the Oregon State outfielder would be the better choice, yet he was picked 11 picks later. In conclusion, the idea of the MLB drafting for future potential while the NFL focuses more on your results as an indicator for the future is a really good point. Thanks for that!
You're right. Good one.
Who else on TexAgs has this resume?
1) Three time state champion;
2) Heisman Trophy winner;
3) First team AA;
4) Big XII champion;
5) First round MLB pick;
6) First pick in NFL draft;
Oh yeah...he's also the leading candidate for NFL MVP this year. Not bad for a 24 year old kid.
1) Three time state champion;
2) Heisman Trophy winner;
3) First team AA;
4) Big XII champion;
5) First round MLB pick;
6) First pick in NFL draft;
Oh yeah...he's also the leading candidate for NFL MVP this year. Not bad for a 24 year old kid.
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