The Debt said:

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What good is listening to players about racism? Most athletes, regardless of color, couldn't pass middle school AP history, yet they magically became civics experts because they had mandatory attendance to a history prof who teaches from Howard Zinn

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There is a difference between learning about it and living it. People do suffer when in poverty and many points BLM has made are actually on point. Something were off base, but categorically not listening is insensitive.

I'm glad this thread is here. I don't think enough time was spent getting to the bottom of the George Floyd issue.

Buford T. Justice said:

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Coach O will go out a hero, and get paid, big time.
He'll ride the Athletic Tiger wives Foundation circuit for 20 years and then drift away.

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Fixed it

Have you heard the man speak? Combine that with the emotional decision to begin with to promote one of their own and you've got it. He'll go back to being an assistant somewhere.

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Macarthur said:

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Mr. AGSPRT04 said:

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Lol at the double standard.

George Floyd, lengthy criminal history including pointing a gun at an in utero child during a home invasion, supposedly found God and community outreach, then passed counterfeit money prompting police call, found riding with his dealer, takes enough drugs during his arrest to euthanize a horse, resists arrest. Is a good guy.

Coach O, gives modest praise to President of the United States. Horrible person.

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YOu think lying helps your case?



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/16/fact-check-fentanyl-george-floyd-not-enough-to-cause-death/7239448002/

And no one is comparing coach o to George Floyd. Nice straw man though

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USA Today is hardly a valid fact checking source. Try the autopsy report. It says there was sufficient amounts in there to make death by the drug at least a possibility. Obviously the statement above is hyperbole.

"Not enough to cause death" is, in fact, a lie, according to the autopsy.

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Fentanyl 11. He said, "that's pretty high." This level of fentanyl can cause pulmonary edema. Mr. Floyd's lungs were 2-3x their normal weight at autopsy. That is fatal level offentanyl under normal circumstances. Norfentanyl - 5.6 metabolite of

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AB said that if Mr. Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contributing factors he would conciude that it was an overdose death.

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https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12646/ExhibitMtD08282020.pdf

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The actual chief medical officer said it's not the drugs.

In his testimony, Baker said that neither Floyd's heart problems nor drugs caused his death. Under cross-examination, though, he agreed with Nelson that those factors "played a role" in the death.
A medical expert who testified Thursday said a healthy person subjected to what Floyd endured would also have died.
Nelson asked Baker whether he has certified deaths by fentanyl overdose at levels lower than that seen in Floyd's blood, and Baker said yes. But Baker also noted that levels of fentanyl must be considered in the context of how long someone had used the drug, any tolerance built up to it, and what other substances may be involved.

https://apnews.com/article/derek-chauvin-trial-live-updates-05458e47134a4934bc38ce28c7543ebb

BigSneezy said:

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The Debt said:

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What good is listening to players about racism? Most athletes, regardless of color, couldn't pass middle school AP history, yet they magically became civics experts because they had mandatory attendance to a history prof who teaches from Howard Zinn

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There is a difference between learning about it and living it. People do suffer when in poverty and many points BLM has made are actually on point. Something were off base, but categorically not listening is insensitive.

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Oh the horror!!!!

cevans_40 said:

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BigSneezy said:

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The Debt said:

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What good is listening to players about racism? Most athletes, regardless of color, couldn't pass middle school AP history, yet they magically became civics experts because they had mandatory attendance to a history prof who teaches from Howard Zinn

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There is a difference between learning about it and living it. People do suffer when in poverty and many points BLM has made are actually on point. Something were off base, but categorically not listening is insensitive.

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Oh the horror!!!!

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Do you manage people?

bv86ag said:

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All this crap being about O supporting Trump (which a lot of people do) and your BLM marxist lovers and people complaining
about him chasing tail and claiming character flaws ALL miss the point.
LSU DOESN'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT ANY OF THAT CRAP IF HE WERE STILL WINNING SEC TITLES AND NATL CHAMP CONTENDERS.
That is how it works in Louisiana. And quite frankly how it works at every SEC school.
As long as you WIN.
We wouldn't be hearing or care of any of this if O was still winning.

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This is ground breaking analysis. Everybody on this thread thought LSU was still winning 12 games a year.

Bob Loblaws Law Blog said:

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bv86ag said:

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All this crap being about O supporting Trump (which a lot of people do) and your BLM marxist lovers and people complaining
about him chasing tail and claiming character flaws ALL miss the point.
LSU DOESN'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT ANY OF THAT CRAP IF HE WERE STILL WINNING SEC TITLES AND NATL CHAMP CONTENDERS.
That is how it works in Louisiana. And quite frankly how it works at every SEC school.
As long as you WIN.
We wouldn't be hearing or care of any of this if O was still winning.

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This is ground breaking analysis. Everybody on this thread thought LSU was still winning 12 games a year.

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Correct. I don't think anyone is arguing against this.

But I think one point that the above may be missing is that dismissing and/or not listenting/relating to your players is absolutely linked to how the team plays and the cohesiveness of a team/program, which of course, has a direct effect on wins and losses.

Macarthur said:

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Bob Loblaws Law Blog said:

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bv86ag said:

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All this crap being about O supporting Trump (which a lot of people do) and your BLM marxist lovers and people complaining
about him chasing tail and claiming character flaws ALL miss the point.
LSU DOESN'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT ANY OF THAT CRAP IF HE WERE STILL WINNING SEC TITLES AND NATL CHAMP CONTENDERS.
That is how it works in Louisiana. And quite frankly how it works at every SEC school.
As long as you WIN.
We wouldn't be hearing or care of any of this if O was still winning.

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This is ground breaking analysis. Everybody on this thread thought LSU was still winning 12 games a year.

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Correct. I don't think anyone is arguing against this.

But I think one point that the above may be missing is that dismissing and/or not listenting/relating to your players is absolutely linked to how the team plays and the cohesiveness of a team/program, which of course, has a direct effect on wins and losses.

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You are correct. You have to find a way to relate to children and make it about them.

So can we please stop referring to these guys as grown men?

Macarthur said:

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cevans_40 said:

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BigSneezy said:

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The Debt said:

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What good is listening to players about racism? Most athletes, regardless of color, couldn't pass middle school AP history, yet they magically became civics experts because they had mandatory attendance to a history prof who teaches from Howard Zinn

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There is a difference between learning about it and living it. People do suffer when in poverty and many points BLM has made are actually on point. Something were off base, but categorically not listening is insensitive.

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Oh the horror!!!!

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Do you manage people?

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Yes, I manage a team. They know exactly where I stand and I know where they stand. I don't let their beliefs affect the way I treat anyone. Most people respect that. Some don't and that's not my problem.

cevans_40 said:

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Macarthur said:

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cevans_40 said:

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BigSneezy said:

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The Debt said:

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What good is listening to players about racism? Most athletes, regardless of color, couldn't pass middle school AP history, yet they magically became civics experts because they had mandatory attendance to a history prof who teaches from Howard Zinn

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There is a difference between learning about it and living it. People do suffer when in poverty and many points BLM has made are actually on point. Something were off base, but categorically not listening is insensitive.

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Oh the horror!!!!

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Do you manage people?

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Yes, I manage a team. They know exactly where I stand and I know where they stand. I don't let their beliefs affect the way I treat anyone. Most people respect that. Some don't and that's not my problem.

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But to know where they stand, you do have to listen to them, correct?

Macarthur said:

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cevans_40 said:

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Macarthur said:

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cevans_40 said:

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BigSneezy said:

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The Debt said:

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What good is listening to players about racism? Most athletes, regardless of color, couldn't pass middle school AP history, yet they magically became civics experts because they had mandatory attendance to a history prof who teaches from Howard Zinn

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There is a difference between learning about it and living it. People do suffer when in poverty and many points BLM has made are actually on point. Something were off base, but categorically not listening is insensitive.

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Oh the horror!!!!

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Do you manage people?

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Yes, I manage a team. They know exactly where I stand and I know where they stand. I don't let their beliefs affect the way I treat anyone. Most people respect that. Some don't and that's not my problem.

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But to know where they stand, you do have to listen to them, correct?

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Of course. We have honest conversations and sometimes they get their feelings hurt but they survive and are hopefully better for it. I am guessing many times they initially wish I was fired but part of growing up is having to accept that not everyone is always going to 100% agree with you and that doesn't make them a bad person.

cevans_40 said:

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Macarthur said:

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cevans_40 said:

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Macarthur said:

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cevans_40 said:

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BigSneezy said:

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The Debt said:

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What good is listening to players about racism? Most athletes, regardless of color, couldn't pass middle school AP history, yet they magically became civics experts because they had mandatory attendance to a history prof who teaches from Howard Zinn

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There is a difference between learning about it and living it. People do suffer when in poverty and many points BLM has made are actually on point. Something were off base, but categorically not listening is insensitive.

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Oh the horror!!!!

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Do you manage people?

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Yes, I manage a team. They know exactly where I stand and I know where they stand. I don't let their beliefs affect the way I treat anyone. Most people respect that. Some don't and that's not my problem.

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But to know where they stand, you do have to listen to them, correct?

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Of course. We have honest conversations and sometimes they get their feelings hurt but they survive and are hopefully better for it. I am guessing many times they initially wish I was fired but part of growing up is having to accept that not everyone is always going to 100% agree with you and that doesn't make them a bad person.

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So really, you didn't mean what you said earlier that he shouldn't listen to his players? Was that just some message board bluster?

I knew what you meant. Not necessarily convinced that Fla talent > LSU talent

Macarthur said:

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cevans_40 said:

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Macarthur said:

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cevans_40 said:

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Macarthur said:

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cevans_40 said:

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BigSneezy said:

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The Debt said:

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What good is listening to players about racism? Most athletes, regardless of color, couldn't pass middle school AP history, yet they magically became civics experts because they had mandatory attendance to a history prof who teaches from Howard Zinn

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There is a difference between learning about it and living it. People do suffer when in poverty and many points BLM has made are actually on point. Something were off base, but categorically not listening is insensitive.

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Oh the horror!!!!

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Do you manage people?

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Yes, I manage a team. They know exactly where I stand and I know where they stand. I don't let their beliefs affect the way I treat anyone. Most people respect that. Some don't and that's not my problem.

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But to know where they stand, you do have to listen to them, correct?

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Of course. We have honest conversations and sometimes they get their feelings hurt but they survive and are hopefully better for it. I am guessing many times they initially wish I was fired but part of growing up is having to accept that not everyone is always going to 100% agree with you and that doesn't make them a bad person.

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So really, you didn't mean what you said earlier that he shouldn't listen to his players? Was that just some message board bluster?

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He's free to run the program however he sees fit. If his players don't like it, they can always transfer or wait for him to be fired. I just mainly got a kick out of the description of the situation as "insensitive" and how we are trying to say that a college football coach lost his job because he acted insensitively.

Snap E Tom said:

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With regards to Orgeron's personal life bleeding into his coaching life, sources also tell @WBRZ that there were multiple practices where "girlfriends" would be in attendance at prax and would "interfere". To the degree of children of the women taking part in drills with team.

— Matt Trent (@MCTrent23) October 17, 2021

Trent is a local TV reporter in Baton Rouge.

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Matt obviously does not know we have rules here.

BigSneezy said:

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The Debt said:

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What good is listening to players about racism? Most athletes, regardless of color, couldn't pass middle school AP history, yet they magically became civics experts because they had mandatory attendance to a history prof who teaches from Howard Zinn

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There is a difference between learning about it and living it. People do suffer when in poverty and many points BLM has made are actually on point. Something were off base, but categorically not listening is insensitive.

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The grievances of pampered athletes aside, I have a feeling the sin wasnt "O didnt listen" or "O doesnt sympathize" (O grew up swamp-ass poor, no?) But rather they wanted to kneel during the anthem and he told them he would cut anyone who kneeled.

MindofCarlos said:

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The Debt said:

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I keep hearing this, but it means nothing without context.

Is his coaching hard(er) this year than previous?

Is he upsetting people personally?

Is it just losing? Not playing for an NC this year?

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Some more direct things were, he mixed his personal life with the job too much. He didn't listen to the majority black team about issues they were dealing with. Things all started going downhill once players realized he didn't care about them. He was overheard saying he didn't care and LSU could fire him if they wanted. Safe to say any objective person could tell he was a horrible person in it for the money. Didn't care who he had to step on or disrespect as long as his check cleared. Simply not a sustainable personality for a college coach who needs to recruit and be liked.

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I don't think any of that is true but...

I'm glad he ignored the BLM garbage, if true.

Macarthur said:

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Mr. AGSPRT04 said:

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I'll agree that the marital/gf issue is of poor character or at least poor choices. But the assertion being floated is that he's a "horrible person" apparently for not marching for (felonious woman abuser and drug addict) George Floyd along his IMHO misguided athletes.

A good coach would instruct his young men of the error of their ways or at least keep silent on the issue if he didn't believe in their cause. Not giving into the mob mentality, even it is the "80%" popular position, doesn't make him a horrible person. Not the least of which is because it was a divisive issue unrelated to the sport with the potential to alienate the "20%".

ETA- reading the SI article, it looks like his racial crime was saying Trump was doing a good job. What a horrible person.

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You are aware that Floyd had turned his life around, was a Christian and was volunteering in programs to help get kids out of gangs?

I guess if someone does something bad there's no opportunity for them to redeem their life?

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Lol. Mr Fentanyl was an upstanding Christian, huh? He was confronted by police for trying to rip off a store wuth fake money. GMAFB

MindofCarlos said:

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The Debt said:

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I keep hearing this, but it means nothing without context.

Is his coaching hard(er) this year than previous?

Is he upsetting people personally?

Is it just losing? Not playing for an NC this year?

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Some more direct things were, he mixed his personal life with the job too much. He didn't listen to the majority black team about issues they were dealing with. Things all started going downhill once players realized he didn't care about them. He was overheard saying he didn't care and LSU could fire him if they wanted. Safe to say any objective person could tell he was a horrible person in it for the money. Didn't care who he had to step on or disrespect as long as his check cleared. Simply not a sustainable personality for a college coach who needs to recruit and be liked.

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Since when is his opposition to BLM not caring about his plAyers? BLM is a lie. Is not promoting a lie equal to not caring about your players ??

Goodness Can we not help ourselves ??


Politics board is F16

FNMikey said:

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Goodness Can we not help ourselves ??


Politics board is F16

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Tough to stick to that when major sports outlets are reporting that players quit on Orgeron because he was "insensitive" to the BLM movement. Insensitive. And made them hit in practice.

Sorry, but when mainstream sports journalists are reporting that a football coach is insensitive, we're in a different world.

Get the Gat, while entertaining, was a pretty creepy video, and never looked right. Not surprised to hear that Coach O had major problems about who he allowed into the inner circles of the program.