West Point Aggie said:
I actually feel bad or Texas Tech and oSu and teeny bit for TCU
BayLOL not so much
Correct. But Texas knows damn will it has little to do with wins and losses. The SEC thinks like you do...and that will end up costing them.Dr. Teeth said:Tex117 said:
Texas, is absolutely a Top program.
As a brand, sure. They sell a LOT of t-shirts.
Are they an elite program on the field? No, and they haven't been in a long time and it's doubtful if they could be ever again in the currently configured Big 12. It appears that they finally figured that out.
I think he is right...and I think this OU TExas thing is truly the first move towards that.Know Your Enemy said:
I went to a luncheon with Jackie Sherrill about a decade ago where he said college football will move to 4 super conferences that will wave goodbye to the NCAA and run things as a group.
Thanks, Captain Obvious. That's clearly where this is all heading. The point of my post was that Jackie called it a decade ago. I remember how shocked everyone in the room was when he said it. It's taken longer than he anticipated (can't remember what his timeline was but it wasn't 10 years) but he nailed it.Tex117 said:I think he is right...and I think this OU TExas thing is truly the first move towards that.Know Your Enemy said:
I went to a luncheon with Jackie Sherrill about a decade ago where he said college football will move to 4 super conferences that will wave goodbye to the NCAA and run things as a group.
rgag12 said:West Point Aggie said:
I actually feel bad or Texas Tech and oSu and teeny bit for TCU
BayLOL not so much
Tech OSU, ISU, and KSU are reportedly already in talks with the PAC-12.
Apparently the PAC wants nothing to do with church schools, so TCU and Baylor can go to conference USA I guess
Tex117 said:You posted alot of words, but this is all that matters.UT 93 said:
Simply put the Texas and OU brands were something that the SEC did not think they could pass up.
Its not about TV and markets. Thats now where college football is headed. This is an old way of thinking.
The future of college football is now in an arms race to get as most eyes on players as possible no matter where they are in the country. This means streaming. This means NIL.
Moreover, with the addition of Texas and OU, the SEC becomes the defacto axis of college athletics...strong enough even to break with the NCAA if they wanted.
This was probably inevitable.....its sucks for the Aggies in the short term, but long term...it will equal out.
What the SEC doesn't understand is that it will lose the whole "Saturday Down South" vibe. Again, maybe that was inevitable with the NIL thing going on.
Also, the SEC underestimtes not only Texas's ability to exert power and influence (even when they lose on the field), but A&Ms potential to side with Texas on things. If Texas and Texas A&M agree to work together on a few things....it will accelerate the stripping of the power of the Old Guard SEC.
Texas A&M I think should actually bury the hatcht quickly with Texas....and position itself as a swing vote between both the Old Guard and Texas...We can actually leverage the power of Texas and the Old Guard to our advantage if we play it right.
Mississippi and Mississippi State, beware. The Horns are going to feel that a trip to StarkVegas is beneath the might University of Texas, and the ole Miss history will remind UT of their own history.Dr. Teeth said:
You forgot the Big 8. Nebraska vs. Oklahoma was a HUGE rivalry, and with the formation of the Big 12, it became a interdivisional game that didn't even happen half the time. And now it's gone completely.
You are absolutely correct that the have no idea, and no intention, of being an equal partner. It won't take them long to start questioning why Vanderbilt is getting the same size check as them
They better not. If the SEC kowtows to the sips on that, then they are already being coddled by the league office.Sq 12 Ag said:
Will the SEC ban "horns down?"
JodyMcD96 said:Tex117 said:You posted alot of words, but this is all that matters.UT 93 said:
Simply put the Texas and OU brands were something that the SEC did not think they could pass up.
Its not about TV and markets. Thats now where college football is headed. This is an old way of thinking.
The future of college football is now in an arms race to get as most eyes on players as possible no matter where they are in the country. This means streaming. This means NIL.
Moreover, with the addition of Texas and OU, the SEC becomes the defacto axis of college athletics...strong enough even to break with the NCAA if they wanted.
This was probably inevitable.....its sucks for the Aggies in the short term, but long term...it will equal out.
What the SEC doesn't understand is that it will lose the whole "Saturday Down South" vibe. Again, maybe that was inevitable with the NIL thing going on.
Also, the SEC underestimtes not only Texas's ability to exert power and influence (even when they lose on the field), but A&Ms potential to side with Texas on things. If Texas and Texas A&M agree to work together on a few things....it will accelerate the stripping of the power of the Old Guard SEC.
Texas A&M I think should actually bury the hatcht quickly with Texas....and position itself as a swing vote between both the Old Guard and Texas...We can actually leverage the power of Texas and the Old Guard to our advantage if we play it right.
I like where you're going with the Machiavelli angle.
Lol I forgot about how their entire fight song was in jeopardy.bwmammoth said:
Solid post, but questions if tu joins SEC:
Will tu band play fight song?
Will tu continue dildo marches?
Will tu be "back?"
As far as tu getting in NOPE, NEVER, NUNCA!!!azhector72 said:
I hate you guys!
But, I see this as a good thing as the majority of the Aggs are still living in the past.
I have stated before, you are not the enemy today, Oregon, OSU and Clemson are the enemy especially with NIL.
Those schools are nothing without Texas recruits, I mean nothing.
Keep them in state!! There is enough blue chip recruits in Texas and we cant get them all, but stay in state!!
Welcome to the SEC and looking forward to kicking you ass, at least for the next five years, after that it will be interesting.
Peace
Gigem!
Aggieair said:
Wow, so now instead of an extra $10M a year it's $15M? I can't wait for it to be $20M tomorrow.
If OU/tu actually added $15M a year to the existing members, that would mean they're bringing in an extra $300M a year to the conference, at least, for a total of over $1.05B in conference revenue. That's 88% of what the Big 12 paid out to it's members last year ($340M). Seems pretty arrogant to assume those 2 schools account for 88% of the Big 12's revenue, especially for a "brand" whose network lost money for at least the first 5 years in its existence.
Furthermore, tu/OU already have it made in the Big 12 because of the upcoming 6 highest ranked CCG autobids. Why add at least 2 more losses to your schedule in the SEC and pass up a free playoff spot? The extra money means nothing if your program can't win anything and becomes irrelevant. And tu has to give up its $15M a year from the LHN.
Also, OP's friends clearly haven't bothered to look at Big 12 bylaws.
1. Teams can't leave without 18 months notice. So there's no way they're joining the SEC for the 2022 season.
2. Both teams owe almost $80M each as a buyout fee under normal circumstances.
3. Even then, the Big 12 still owns their Tier 1 and 2 media rights through the 24-25 season. It makes absolutely no sense.
UT 93 said:
I used to be a regular on this board but once aTm left for the SEC I pretty much quit coming to this board.
Before I state what I've heard a few things.
I played for UT during the early 90's when we got our asses absolutely destroyed by the Wrecking Crew outside of the 90 season. I have the utmost respect for the guys I played against back in those days and I was crushed when learning of the passing of Rodney Thomas back in 2014. I simply had unbelievable respect for him on and off the field.
I also totally understand and will be the first to admit that Texas killed the Big 12 conference. I know others say Texas killed the SWC but I don't buy that narrative. But the Big 12, Texas ego and always dictating everything ruined what imop could have been a well positioned conference for growth in the future. I despised Deloss Dodss, Fenves and almost all of UT's administration during those years.
I'm not some sort of BMD but I am fairly well connected and so you can take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt.
OU was the originator which should not be that surprising. They have been disgruntled with the Big 12 for quite some time but Texas and OU made the decision they were a package deal several years ago.
The schools made the decision in about 2019 that the likelihood either would extend their GOR past 2025 was unlikely.
Texas and OU reached out to SEC in the late November/Early December time frame. I was told only a few schools were brought in initially with those likely being Bama, Auburn, Georgia and Florida. Things starting moving fairly quickly from then on with aTm, Arkansas and Mizzou being kept in the dark.
The next part I struggle to accept but this is what I heard. When Texas hired Sark and his staff (several from Bama) part of their messaging was that Texas and OU would be moving to the SEC as these coaches were reluctant to leave the SEC. Texas discussed this with Beard when he came over from Tech.
If the move occurs look for no later than 2023 and it could be as early as 2022.
Why is the SEC interested. Obviously speculative but some of the notes I've heard.
While aTm and LSU deliver much of East Texas and the Houston markets they have not really had a great ratings impact on the rest of Texas especially the I-35 corridor from San Antonio to DFW and West. Adding Texas and OU delivers almost the entire Texas market plus OK.
There is concern of a Texas/OU package with Notre Dame to either the Big 10 or ACC..
I've heard that the new media rights package will move the payday per school from $44M per year to over $60M per year..
Simply put the Texas and OU brands were something that the SEC did not think they could pass up.
The belief is the announcement could come as early as 1st week of August if not sooner. However, this is not a done deal yet and still a fluid situation.
I will say as a former player, removing all of the politics from the table, I look forward to this game being played again. All I have to do is look at the atmosphere earlier this year at Olsen field on a Tuesday night that speaks to the fun of the games between these two universities. Yet at the same time I fully understand why aTm fans and administrators are 100000X against this realignment.
Hook'Em
WRONGQuote:
While aTm and LSU deliver much of East Texas and the Houston markets they have not really had a great ratings impact on the rest of Texas especially the I-35 corridor from San Antonio to DFW and West. Adding Texas and OU delivers almost the entire Texas market plus OK.
You destroyed your own credibility by suggesting Texas A and M doesn't deliver Texas market. Our schools enrollment is bigger than tu and over the past decade we have more graduates living in the state of TexasUT 93 said:
I used to be a regular on this board but once aTm left for the SEC I pretty much quit coming to this board.
Before I state what I've heard a few things.
I played for UT during the early 90's when we got our asses absolutely destroyed by the Wrecking Crew outside of the 90 season. I have the utmost respect for the guys I played against back in those days and I was crushed when learning of the passing of Rodney Thomas back in 2014. I simply had unbelievable respect for him on and off the field.
I also totally understand and will be the first to admit that Texas killed the Big 12 conference. I know others say Texas killed the SWC but I don't buy that narrative. But the Big 12, Texas ego and always dictating everything ruined what imop could have been a well positioned conference for growth in the future. I despised Deloss Dodss, Fenves and almost all of UT's administration during those years.
I'm not some sort of BMD but I am fairly well connected and so you can take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt.
OU was the originator which should not be that surprising. They have been disgruntled with the Big 12 for quite some time but Texas and OU made the decision they were a package deal several years ago.
The schools made the decision in about 2019 that the likelihood either would extend their GOR past 2025 was unlikely.
Texas and OU reached out to SEC in the late November/Early December time frame. I was told only a few schools were brought in initially with those likely being Bama, Auburn, Georgia and Florida. Things starting moving fairly quickly from then on with aTm, Arkansas and Mizzou being kept in the dark.
The next part I struggle to accept but this is what I heard. When Texas hired Sark and his staff (several from Bama) part of their messaging was that Texas and OU would be moving to the SEC as these coaches were reluctant to leave the SEC. Texas discussed this with Beard when he came over from Tech.
If the move occurs look for no later than 2023 and it could be as early as 2022.
Why is the SEC interested. Obviously speculative but some of the notes I've heard.
While aTm and LSU deliver much of East Texas and the Houston markets they have not really had a great ratings impact on the rest of Texas especially the I-35 corridor from San Antonio to DFW and West. Adding Texas and OU delivers almost the entire Texas market plus OK.
There is concern of a Texas/OU package with Notre Dame to either the Big 10 or ACC..
I've heard that the new media rights package will move the payday per school from $44M per year to over $60M per year..
Simply put the Texas and OU brands were something that the SEC did not think they could pass up.
The belief is the announcement could come as early as 1st week of August if not sooner. However, this is not a done deal yet and still a fluid situation.
I will say as a former player, removing all of the politics from the table, I look forward to this game being played again. All I have to do is look at the atmosphere earlier this year at Olsen field on a Tuesday night that speaks to the fun of the games between these two universities. Yet at the same time I fully understand why aTm fans and administrators are 100000X against this realignment.
Hook'Em
Manager material.Tex117 said:You posted alot of words, but this is all that matters.UT 93 said:
Simply put the Texas and OU brands were something that the SEC did not think they could pass up.
Its not about TV and markets. Thats now where college football is headed. This is an old way of thinking.
The future of college football is now in an arms race to get as most eyes on players as possible no matter where they are in the country. This means streaming. This means NIL.
Moreover, with the addition of Texas and OU, the SEC becomes the defacto axis of college athletics...strong enough even to break with the NCAA if they wanted.
This was probably inevitable.....its sucks for the Aggies in the short term, but long term...it will equal out.
What the SEC doesn't understand is that it will lose the whole "Saturday Down South" vibe. Again, maybe that was inevitable with the NIL thing going on.
Also, the SEC underestimtes not only Texas's ability to exert power and influence (even when they lose on the field), but A&Ms potential to side with Texas on things. If Texas and Texas A&M agree to work together on a few things....it will accelerate the stripping of the power of the Old Guard SEC.
Texas A&M I think should actually bury the hatcht quickly with Texas....and position itself as a swing vote between both the Old Guard and Texas...We can actually leverage the power of Texas and the Old Guard to our advantage if we play it right.
I mean, we need to operate with open eyes and would be fools to "trust" Texas, but not trusting doesn't mean we can't get some things done that benefit Texas A&M at the expense of the "Old Guard."Seriously77 said:Manager material.Tex117 said:You posted alot of words, but this is all that matters.UT 93 said:
Simply put the Texas and OU brands were something that the SEC did not think they could pass up.
Its not about TV and markets. Thats now where college football is headed. This is an old way of thinking.
The future of college football is now in an arms race to get as most eyes on players as possible no matter where they are in the country. This means streaming. This means NIL.
Moreover, with the addition of Texas and OU, the SEC becomes the defacto axis of college athletics...strong enough even to break with the NCAA if they wanted.
This was probably inevitable.....its sucks for the Aggies in the short term, but long term...it will equal out.
What the SEC doesn't understand is that it will lose the whole "Saturday Down South" vibe. Again, maybe that was inevitable with the NIL thing going on.
Also, the SEC underestimtes not only Texas's ability to exert power and influence (even when they lose on the field), but A&Ms potential to side with Texas on things. If Texas and Texas A&M agree to work together on a few things....it will accelerate the stripping of the power of the Old Guard SEC.
Texas A&M I think should actually bury the hatcht quickly with Texas....and position itself as a swing vote between both the Old Guard and Texas...We can actually leverage the power of Texas and the Old Guard to our advantage if we play it right.
The two Texas schools wealth could castrate Bama within 5 years.
We must align ourselves with the sips, politically too cover our backs. Let's be honest, we will clean up with the recruiting using the NIL formula, no one can touch our resources except our wayward cousins from Austin.
Everyone of our starters will be worth millions.
The PAC will eventually ban tortilla products and batteries. And their buses will have anti-piss warning systems.West Point Aggie said:rgag12 said:West Point Aggie said:
I actually feel bad or Texas Tech and oSu and teeny bit for TCU
BayLOL not so much
Tech OSU, ISU, and KSU are reportedly already in talks with the PAC-12.
Apparently the PAC wants nothing to do with church schools, so TCU and Baylor can go to conference USA I guess
So Texas Tech gets to rub elbows with Stanford and UC Berkeley and not the sippies? he he he he he
College football is dead. Welcome to the semi-pro league. And don't forget to donate.whatthehey78 said:
Old Ag here...so yeah, I'm not for this. IF NIL and $ is in-fact the driving force behind this, then IMHO college FB is doomed. I don't think we're going to enjoy what the game will become. Money rarely, if ever truly fixes anything in the long run.
BAMA, Aubie, Fluridah, and George are "hicks" and "rednecks" to Texsa. They know nothing of Texsa building full of attorneys and vast media/propaganda complex. The politics they will lose.Slicer97 said:
It's too bad that Bama, Auburn, Florida, and Georgia are too short-sighted to remember that Nebraska ran the Big 8. Until it didn't.
