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When Texas hired Sark and his staff (several from Bama) part of their messaging was that Texas and OU would be moving to the SEC as these coaches were reluctant to leave the SEC. Texas discussed this with Beard when he came over from Tech.

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I kind of find this hard to accept. There is no way in my mind that Sark, when offered the HC job at Texas, a top 5-10 program, needed the extra incentive of "we're going to the SEC" to seal the deal. Just seems a little ridiculous.

Other than that, your post is great. Thanks for your insight.

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While aTm and LSU deliver much of East Texas and the Houston markets they have not really had a great ratings impact on the rest of Texas especially the I-35 corridor from San Antonio to DFW and West. Adding Texas and OU delivers almost the entire Texas market plus OK.

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Your sources are either full of crap or grossly misinformed.

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I read the stats that A&M SEC games were higher rated than tu Big 12 games IN AUSTIN.

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Simply put the Texas and OU brands were something that the SEC did not think they could pass up.

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Like a cyanide-colada.

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Sips are not a Top 5-10 program.

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Sorry, but you are insane. Of course they are top 10 in just about every metric. Take off the maroon glasses.

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While aTm and LSU deliver much of East Texas and the Houston markets they have not really had a great ratings impact on the rest of Texas especially the I-35 corridor from San Antonio to DFW and West. Adding Texas and OU delivers almost the entire Texas market plus OK.

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Can't wait to add the DFW market. Hopefully they will get SEC Network up there after all this.

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A much needed laugh right now........

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"bury the hatcht"? Way easier said than done. Money doesn't hold grudges but people do.

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Yeah, but grudges are usually harmful.

Its about money, power, and influence. Eff a grudge...this is all about big business. For A&M to come out in a good place, we need to be positioned to tilt tables when the Old Guard inevitably is surprised that Texas is taking over. And...that means siding with Texas if that benefits us.

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/07081015-9616-4909-802b-ba00156735d3

But we just don't like you.

Well intentioned OP, and I appreciate your willingness to wade into what you KNEW was going to be an angry hornet's nest. Thanks for being that rarest of breeds........a rational, level headed sip. Don't necessarily agree with a couple of the opinions but otherwise a pretty solid take

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When Texas hired Sark and his staff (several from Bama) part of their messaging was that Texas and OU would be moving to the SEC as these coaches were reluctant to leave the SEC. Texas discussed this with Beard when he came over from Tech.

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I kind of find this hard to accept. There is no way in my mind that Sark, when offered the HC job at Texas, a top 5-10 program, needed the extra incentive of "we're going to the SEC" to seal the deal. Just seems a little ridiculous.

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Sips are not a Top 5-10 program.

YES... they needed all the stops to get a top coach. They couldn't settle for another Strong or Hermie.

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Its not about the wins and losses...its about eyes on players. Its about what the value of the franchise is.

Texas, is absolutely a Top program.

Quit thinking like a fan. Start thinking business.

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When Texas hired Sark and his staff (several from Bama) part of their messaging was that Texas and OU would be moving to the SEC as these coaches were reluctant to leave the SEC. Texas discussed this with Beard when he came over from Tech.

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I kind of find this hard to accept. There is no way in my mind that Sark, when offered the HC job at Texas, a top 5-10 program, needed the extra incentive of "we're going to the SEC" to seal the deal. Just seems a little ridiculous.

Other than that, your post is great. Thanks for your insight.

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One of the tu pundits said that when Sark was interviewed, he was asked what he needed to win a championship. Sark said the SEC. Evidently tu acted on that.

The more Aggies whine about it, the worse we're gonna look. If it happens, and pretty sure it will, it happens. Sports hate is a good thing.

Just beat them.

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What exactly do you think this is? A business site?

You can't realistically expect anyone in here to be giddy with the fact that after you finally got rid of your wretched, cheating hoor of a wife and moved into the most elite of neighborhoods for a clean start...... the homeowners association brought the disgusting b**ch back to your house and forced you to live with her again

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We can go back to the big12 and actually make something of it. Invite UH and SMU back and maybe even invite Missouri, Arkansas and whoever the hell else would join and run the show.

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Just seems so weird and hard to swallow to me. There is no way Texas needs the SEC to win. In fact I think the SEC makes it more difficult for them to win it all. But obviously i am no expert here.

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"bury the hatcht"? Way easier said than done. Money doesn't hold grudges but people do.

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Yeah, but grudges are usually harmful.

Its about money, power, and influence. Eff a grudge...this is all about big business. For A&M to come out in a good place, we need to be positioned to tilt tables when the Old Guard inevitably is surprised that Texas is taking over. And...that means siding with Texas if that benefits us.

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Problem with that is tu doesn't side with anyone. They are all about themselves and would turn on us in a NY minute.

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When Texas hired Sark and his staff (several from Bama) part of their messaging was that Texas and OU would be moving to the SEC as these coaches were reluctant to leave the SEC. Texas discussed this with Beard when he came over from Tech.

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I kind of find this hard to accept. There is no way in my mind that Sark, when offered the HC job at Texas, a top 5-10 program, needed the extra incentive of "we're going to the SEC" to seal the deal. Just seems a little ridiculous.

Other than that, your post is great. Thanks for your insight.

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LOL. If Sark said that he was referring to SEC level talent. Not hard to win as an OC at Bama with Saban stacking 5 stars like cordwood.

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Yeah, but grudges are usually harmful.

Its about money, power, and influence. Eff a grudge...this is all about big business. For A&M to come out in a good place, we need to be positioned to tilt tables when the Old Guard inevitably is surprised that Texas is taking over. And...that means siding with Texas if that benefits us.

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Problem with that is tu doesn't side with anyone. They are all about themselves and would turn on us in a NY minute.

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Of course. A&M is going to have to be savvier than it has ever been. The Old Guard has shown it will do the same...

So....that leaves A&M having to be fast between both to get what we want. (And pulling power west probably benefits us).

Thanks for the level-headed take on the situation, especially amidst all of the trolls.

Man o man I would hate to go into battle with you.

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Thanks for posting. I wish your school and athletic department nothing but the worst.

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Amen; the OP comes across as genuine and polite, so I'm a little hesitant to be offensive towards him, but **** t.u.!!! They seem to be a good person based upon just one post, but their alma mater is pure *****

Keeping that in mind, what happens to OU if it's learned that t.u. was playing numerous sides against each other so as to situate themselves as the most profitable "independent" &/or to secure an even bigger windfall by offering the Big10 or Pac10 a footprint in the state (who are undoubtedly suffering a similar knee-jerk reaction to this news as A&M, albeit for different reasons). From the looks of it, I can totally see t.u. going about this in a 'Survivor' or 'Big Brother' scortched earth manner, with little regard towards honoring a verbal agreement with OU once the dust settles; after all, t.u. has shown a willingness to forego a storied history of competing against a hated rival (A&M), so who's to say they won't do the same with OU if the self-serving opportunity presents itself? OU better have a contingency plan just in case.

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irrelevant. not how cable subscriptions work.

whether they are watching us or not, they are already paying for SECN and the SEC games on ESPN

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Man o man I would hate to go into battle with you.

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You are in battle...you are in a Game of Thrones situation for power and influence in the new college football landscape. Texas A&M needs to leverage what influence it does have to its advantage not die on the hill of "good ol boy" b.s. foot soldier that it often relegates itself to being.

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irrelevant. not how cable subscriptions work.

whether they are watching us or not, they are already paying for SECN and the SEC games on ESPN

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LHN was going nowhere until it was bundled with the SEC Network.

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Just seems so weird and hard to swallow to me. There is no way Texas needs the SEC to win. In fact I think the SEC makes it more difficult for them to win it all. But obviously i am no expert here.

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The comments were 1. $$$$ to survive and thrive in new landscape. 2. SEC is popular with the kids [recruiting] 3. A&M advantages are now non-existent.

I don't buy the numbers in OP's post. $ 16mm incremental payout equals a gigantic incremental conference revenue number. I call BS on that part of it at the least . I'm not saying that OP Is not being honest, just that the basis for what he heard does not seem economically sound.

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Simply put the Texas and OU brands were something that the SEC did not think they could pass up.

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You posted alot of words, but this is all that matters.

Its not about TV and markets. Thats now where college football is headed. This is an old way of thinking.

The future of college football is now in an arms race to get as most eyes on players as possible no matter where they are in the country. This means streaming. This means NIL.

Moreover, with the addition of Texas and OU, the SEC becomes the defacto axis of college athletics...strong enough even to break with the NCAA if they wanted.

This was probably inevitable.....its sucks for the Aggies in the short term, but long term...it will equal out.

What the SEC doesn't understand is that it will lose the whole "Saturday Down South" vibe. Again, maybe that was inevitable with the NIL thing going on.

Also, the SEC underestimtes not only Texas's ability to exert power and influence (even when they lose on the field), but A&Ms potential to side with Texas on things. If Texas and Texas A&M agree to work together on a few things....it will accelerate the stripping of the power of the Old Guard SEC.

Texas A&M I think should actually bury the hatcht quickly with Texas....and position itself as a swing vote between both the Old Guard and Texas...We can actually leverage the power of Texas and the Old Guard to our advantage if we play it right.

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This is an interesting take.

I appreciate the thoughtfulness here.

But, I have a lifetime of evidence that even when you are working your own advantage, you can't trust horn for anything.

They are a cancer.

They infect a host, then move out after leaving a decaying corpse behind.

See SWC.
See 1st Big 12.
See Big 12-4+2
See Sec ( if it happens)

People who have never been in a conference with sip have no idea how selfish and backdoor dealing they are. Matter of time before the slap a list of demands on the desk in Tuscaloosa.

They have no idea how to be an equal partner.

None.

If the SEC goes forward with this, they are going to get what they voted for.

Good and hard.

We tried to tell them.

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As a brand, sure. They sell a LOT of t-shirts.

Are they an elite program on the field? No, and they haven't been in a long time and it's doubtful if they could be ever again in the currently configured Big 12. It appears that they finally figured that out.

I actually feel bad or Texas Tech and oSu and teeny bit for TCU

BayLOL not so much

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They are a cancer.

They infect a host, then move out after leaving a decaying corpse behind.

See SWC.
See 1st Big 12.
See Big 12-4+2
See Sec ( if it happens)

People who have never been in a conference with sip have no idea how selfish and backdoor dealing they are. Matter of time before the slap a list of demands on the desk in Tuscaloosa.

They have no idea how to be an equal partner.

None.

If the SEC goes forward with this, they are going to get what they voted for.

Good and hard.

We tried to tell them.

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You forgot the Big 8. Nebraska vs. Oklahoma was a HUGE rivalry, and with the formation of the Big 12, it became a interdivisional game that didn't even happen half the time. And now it's gone completely.

You are absolutely correct that the have no idea, and no intention, of being an equal partner. It won't take them long to start questioning why Vanderbilt is getting the same size check as them.

Cutty sark was not a great hire, dude failed miserably when he was a head coach.

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Cutty sark was not a great hire, dude failed miserably when he was a head coach.

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Yeah. They were convinced they had Urban Meyer before Sark was finally announced some time later.

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Cutty sark was not a great hire, dude failed miserably when he was a head coach.

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Cutty Sark; I feel bad for laughing at that

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Simply put the Texas and OU brands were something that the SEC did not think they could pass up.

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You posted alot of words, but this is all that matters.

Its not about TV and markets. Thats now where college football is headed. This is an old way of thinking.

The future of college football is now in an arms race to get as most eyes on players as possible no matter where they are in the country. This means streaming. This means NIL.

Moreover, with the addition of Texas and OU, the SEC becomes the defacto axis of college athletics...strong enough even to break with the NCAA if they wanted.

This was probably inevitable.....its sucks for the Aggies in the short term, but long term...it will equal out.

What the SEC doesn't understand is that it will lose the whole "Saturday Down South" vibe. Again, maybe that was inevitable with the NIL thing going on.

Also, the SEC underestimtes not only Texas's ability to exert power and influence (even when they lose on the field), but A&Ms potential to side with Texas on things. If Texas and Texas A&M agree to work together on a few things....it will accelerate the stripping of the power of the Old Guard SEC.

Texas A&M I think should actually bury the hatcht quickly with Texas....and position itself as a swing vote between both the Old Guard and Texas...We can actually leverage the power of Texas and the Old Guard to our advantage if we play it right.

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This is an interesting take.

I appreciate the thoughtfulness here.

But, I have a lifetime of evidence that even when you are working your own advantage, you can't trust horn for anything.

They are a cancer.

They infect a host, then move out after leaving a decaying corpse behind.

See SWC.
See 1st Big 12.
See Big 12-4+2
See Sec ( if it happens)

People who have never been in a conference with sip have no idea how selfish and backdoor dealing they are. Matter of time before the slap a list of demands on the desk in Tuscaloosa.

They have no idea how to be an equal partner.

None.

If the SEC goes forward with this, they are going to get what they voted for.

Good and hard.

We tried to tell them.

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Not disagreeing with you. But just taking the Old Guard's side on everything may not be in A&Ms best interest. The SEC has just shown they will do what they think is the best for themselves...so should Texas A&M. A&M would be foolish to trust Texas, but that doesn't mean you can't get things done if it benefits Texas A&M.

Just saying....we need to hit back against the Old Guard by tilting towards Texas when it benefits us....Then swing back when the Old Guard needs more votes. Thats how Texas A&M needs to view this to the extent they can pull it off.