Why move it. It is 100% football now.

These athletes have made it so.

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Only the most Obtuse individual would think that Tannehill is saying that America as ONLY founded on racist principles, he is just saying that racism in this country is systemic and was here from the beginning.

No one in their right mind, based on that video would think he is saying America is nothing without racism. If anything, he is saying in order for America to be truly great, all men must be treated as equals, as endowed by our creator, to seek life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

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1) 3/5 compromise specifically LIMITED THE POWER OF SLAVE STATES.

2) the phrase "founded on racist principles" means that the country's very foundation... its essence... is racist. If he wanted to convey something different he would have said "America has a history of racism going back to its founding" which I know wouldn't have made many headlines, but it would have been less patently idiotic.

Don't minimize what Ryan said. It's insulting to him and to us. Deal with it.

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Ok, staff, can we lock or move to 16? This forum is bad enough already without arguments pertaining to the original intent of the Founding Fathers.

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Agreed. This is an embarrassment, even for the zoo. Lock down this MAGA idiot circus so we can get back to analysis of why our quarterback routinely throws ducks to open receivers.

The division comes when Ryan and the like (BLM) look outside and tell me it's raining when in reality there is a beautiful sunrise. If they really cared about black lives they would be far more concerned for 2500+ blacks killed each year. .004 are unarmed killed by police and 70 - 80 % are killed by other black thugs. By the way more unarmed whites are killed by police than blacks each year. The reason they don't focus on the larger killings (what's truly more important) is because the cause for that is rooted in places they don't what to go or really even admit. Eliminating barriers to systemic racism as you point to has not solved the problem - hasn't even dented it.. And trust me this movement will not either!

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This is an embarrassment, even for the zoo. Lock down this MAGA idiot circus so we can get back to analysis of why our quarterback routinely throws ducks to open receivers.

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Established sip troll is now worried about "our" quarterback? **** off.

Tannyhill lost me as a fan when he wrote to ask A&M to stop the MS dog research

So article 1 section 9 legalizing the slave trade through 1808 is not racist?

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So article 1 section 9 legalizing the slave trade through 1808 is not racist?

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This is texags

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Section. 9.

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

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Is this racist? This does allow for the slavery and indentured servitude in the U.S. This was common across the globe in this era but it certainly was not nor is not moral. What this section does not mention in any way is race, however. It is granting each state to determine the issue for itself. Again ... this does not make it morally right nor acceptable. But it does not refer to the status of any race or gender. There were free blacks ( and they even voted) during this time period and it is a fact that there were white slaves in the U.S. that fell under this provision (read up on the history of the Irish).

This section was and is morally wrong ... and it had to be changed. It is interesting, though, that it set a date of 1808. Like the 3/5 compromise this is a compromised stained with power politics. Those against slavery wanted to outlaw it .. the south would never ratify it if it did. So in typical political compromise, they kicked the can down the road for others to deal with.

Politicians are always politicians, lol.

If you saw my following post about it you would see where it was founded with racist ideals. The constitution is able to be changed and altered which is what makes it a living breathing and dynamic document. In its inception (despite the wording that all men are created equal) it was only applied to white men. It did not include the rights of those of color or women. The 3/5ths compromise is a perfect example of a racist ideal in which this country/ document was founded and ratified in 1788. Does this mean that the country was founded for the sole purpose of racism and sexism? NO. Does this mean we should tear down our country today? NO. The document can be changed and we as Americans can change for the better. We can recognize that during those times, circumstances were different, but that does not mean we shouldn't seek to continue to improve from where we are now just because things have "already" been done to correct those past wrongs.

"The country is racist and needs to be remade in a revolutionary race-conscious image". Yea we only disagree slightly about that, I should definitely give him the benefit of the doubt. He can be a smart guy at one thing and a complete moron at others, ya'll know that right. Hell some of ya''ll will acknowledge that Trump was at least a good businessman/reality tv star, but "drumpf is an evil and stupid president".

Okay, what do we need to improve on?

I would just like to add how much I enjoy that so many of the "ha ha snowflakes are triggered" folks are now so easily triggered.

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Okay, what do we need to improve on?

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Everyone has their own opinion on this and none are wrong but if you are asking me mine, then I believe its education. America has fallen behind in this area relative to a lot of other 1st world western civilizations. I think higher education cures a lot of the issues we argue over today. If racism is truly real in America then education solves racism. If racism is not real then we will still end up with a more educated population and there are no negative benefits to that.

"Race prejudice has unfortunately become an American tradition which is uncritically handed down from one generation to the next. The only remedies are enlightenment and education. This is a slow and painstaking process in which all right-thinking people should take part." -Albert Einstein

Don't forger the Dutch, Portuguese and those people from Africa that sold the people to all of the slave traders.

These colleges don't teach enlightenment values. They openly say that enlightenment values are racist, and that all enlightenment thinkers are racist, and that critical theory is the only proper way of thinking.

One only has to look at the constitution from a modern perspective and it's very easy to see that the ideas weren't racist. If the values weren't properly implemented, that doesn't make the values racist. Racist founding ideals are explicitly racist regardless of what time they're written from. The constitution could be read in the yer 3000 and the meaning would stay the same.

What do you expect him to do? He's the starting QB, which in most locker rooms is the leader of the team. A mostly african american team. He's gonna have his teammates back no matter what

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If you saw my following post about it you would see where it was founded with racist ideals. The constitution is able to be changed and altered which is what makes it a living breathing and dynamic document. In its inception (despite the wording that all men are created equal) it was only applied to white men. It did not include the rights of those of color or women.

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I would agree that the U.S. has often failed to live up to it's own ideals. That is because of the flawed nature of humans ... and this country is made up of human beings. The Constitution can be changed ... and it has been hanged to build what is hoped to be a better nation on the foundation the Constitution has given us. I am still looking for concrete examples of racism and sexism in the original documents though. The Art I, Sec 9 example is good ... but nor really racist as much an immoral. I do agree that in practice the nation was flawed (and still is in some ways ... and being made up of people, always will be) but the foundation of the Constitution was and is very solid, IMHO.

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I disagree that this is an example of racism but instead an example of shear politics between the North and the South. Remember, it was the supporters of slavery that would have argued that the slaves should be counted as a whole person. It is an irony of history, as has been mentioned, that those that argue that this diminished the status of slaves and that they should have been counted would have been supporting the slaveholders position and political power.

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Does this mean that the country was founded for the sole purpose of racism and sexism? NO. Does this mean we should tear down our country today? NO. The document can be changed and we as Americans can change for the better. We can recognize that during those times, circumstances were different, but that does not mean we shouldn't seek to continue to improve from where we are now just because things have "already" been done to correct those past wrongs.

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We should always strive for the betterment of ALL of our people. No argument there.

Is this nation perfect? No. Has this nation always lived up to it's ideals? No. There has been and is sexism and racism in this nation. Since it is made up of people like all nations are and humans are flawed, there always will be racism and sexism in the country and across this globe. therefor ... it is a struggle that all must fight against but there will never be an end to it.

I do think, though, that this country is founded on ideals that lift up and benefit all people. The founding is not flawed ... it is not rooted in racism and sexism and really is a country that gives hope to so many. The founders of this country were not perfect ... and there was certainly racism and sexism as we define it .... but they gave us an amazing foundation to build upon.

To say that this nation is founded on racism and sexism is to call into question the validity of our nation. It is a call to tear it all down to build something else. The words a subtle but the meaning is clear.

Here is a pro tip. When someone says something you don't agree with, try to work through your emotions on your own instead of running to Texags looking for validation. OP, I'm sorry Ryan did not turn out to be the man of your dreams.

Did someone just call the constitution a "breathing document". Jesus are you a 10th grade APUSH student.

I agree with some of what you said and appreciate the calm nature of your response but I just find it very hard to believe that Ryan wants to tear it all down and rebuild it over again. In my opinion, he is showing support for his teammates of color and truly believes that systematic racism if wrong. The debate on this thread has formed into whether or not it actually exists and not whether or not people actually think it's wrong. I believe most on here would agree that systematic racism is extremely wrong.

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We fought the bloodiest war in our history to right those wrongs. Reperations were paid in both Northern and Southern blood.

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Are you trying to say the point of the Civil War was to end racism? Did racism end in 1865? This statement is just silly.

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Did someone just call the constitution a "breathing document". Jesus are you a 10th grade APUSH student.

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No, I am not an APUSH student but, I'm an attorney who had that exact saying pounded in my brain 1000 times during law school.

Currently in law school, and I'm not going to let marxist professors sway me.

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I agree with some of what you said and appreciate the calm nature of your response but I just find it very hard to believe that Ryan wants to tear it all down and rebuild it over again. In my opinion, he is showing support for his teammates of color and truly believes that systematic racism if wrong. The debate on this thread has formed into whether or not it actually exists and not whether or not people actually think it's wrong. I believe most on here would agree that systematic racism is extremely wrong.

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Does Ryan want to tear it all down? I doubt that ... he is a man in a profession that is on average 80% African-American so it's possible he's very much in CYA mode with other guys in the league ... AND/OR ... it's also very possible he's listened to the experiences of his teammates growing up as black men in this country and has been moved by what they've said.

However, he is repeating a refrain that is becoming common in part of our society ... and some of those parts are very vocal in that they do want to tear everything down and rebuild a new nation. There is a very strong socialist/marxist movement that is using the current racial tensions to their advantage to remake this country.

Do we need to continue to work to fight against racism against all people in this nation ... yes, of course. Do we need socialism and counter racism to do it. NO!

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Currently in law school, and I'm not going to let marxist professors sway me.

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Marxist professors? goodness man get a grip.

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I agree with some of what you said and appreciate the calm nature of your response but I just find it very hard to believe that Ryan wants to tear it all down and rebuild it over again. In my opinion, he is showing support for his teammates of color and truly believes that systematic racism if wrong. The debate on this thread has formed into whether or not it actually exists and not whether or not people actually think it's wrong. I believe most on here would agree that systematic racism is extremely wrong.

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I agree that most think it's wrong. But I will post this again.

What laws are systemically targeting people based on the color of their skin?

And to make it A&M related, since we have a bunch of people complaining about systemic racism here, what policies does A&M have that systemically target someone based on the color of their skin?

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Currently in law school, and I'm not going to let marxist professors sway me.

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Marxist professors? goodness man get a grip.

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You think there aren't Marxists professors in our Institutions of Higher Learning?

Goodness man, get a grip!

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"I'm so sick of cancel culture." - TexAgs

"Tannehill said something I disagree with?!? He's no longer an Aggie." - Also TexAgs

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Who here is calling for Tannehill to be fired, life ruined, unemployable, family destroyed, etc.?

You don't seem to understand what "cancel culture" means

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We fought the bloodiest war in our history to right those wrongs. Reperations were paid in both Northern and Southern blood.

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Are you trying to say the point of the Civil War was to end racism? Did racism end in 1865? This statement is just silly.

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The civil war made slavery illegal in the united states with the 15th amendment.

the 19th amdendment addressed the voting issue for black men

The civil rights act addressed institutional issues

No nation on earth has done as much.

Please learn history before you spout nonsense.

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Okay, what do we need to improve on?

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Everyone has their own opinion on this and none are wrong but if you are asking me mine, then I believe its education. America has fallen behind in this area relative to a lot of other 1st world western civilizations. I think higher education cures a lot of the issues we argue over today. If racism is truly real in America then education solves racism. If racism is not real then we will still end up with a more educated population and there are no negative benefits to that.

"Race prejudice has unfortunately become an American tradition which is uncritically handed down from one generation to the next. The only remedies are enlightenment and education. This is a slow and painstaking process in which all right-thinking people should take part." -Albert Einstein

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OMG... What in hell are you talking about??? Higher Education? The problem is, you and others ,think the problem is racism. Let me say this again more directly. There is no systemic racism in this country. In fact it's the exact opposite. Our institutions bend over backwards to give special accommodation to black people. Ignoring the causes of the real problem which is, why over the last 60 years, despite spending billions of dollars and sweeping changes in public policy, have things not improved for many blacks. Demonstrated by high poverty rate, high crime (both perp and victim), low education, high incarceration rates, disproportionate run ins with LE, high murder rate at the hands of other blacks.... and the list goes on. Again it is not racism.

It is the dissolution of the family unit! Until we are able to address and fix it these problems will continue. And by the way, maybe you don't know, BLM is out calling for the opposite. So don't tell me the answer lies in higher education. What... somehow, understanding Calculus or writing a desertification is going to improve any of this? So I'm sorry. Please forgive me if I get a little irritated when athletes hold up BLM and it's stated objectives as some kind of solution to a very real problem. So go on thinking the problem is racism and it will not be fixed or improved upon for another 60 years.

And that's all I have to say about that.

Ryan, when you say "america" don't you mean the world? White people have been slaves before as well...please clarify.

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Ignorant of truth and misinformed. A product of our current educational system that fills our young people with the left wing lies that we see today in our society.

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I guess you don't remember the whole 3/5ths part of the constitution...

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You're ignorant to the "whole 3/5th" intent. Be smarter and educate yourself.

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Wow, so ignorant of history... 3/5 was an anti-slavery movement. It acknowledged African Americans as value, as people. The true racists considered them no differently than a horse or some other material object. Leading African American Freemen reviewed the Constitution and saw it at progress and an anti-slavery document disguised so that it could get ratified in the south

[url]https://www.theusconstitution.org/news/understanding-the-three-fifths-compromise/[/url]