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9:19a, 8/17/20
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According to Tim Brando, the Big Ten vote to cancel was 8-6, not 12-2 as initially reported:


It wasn't just Nebraska and Iowa that voted to play. If Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State are throwing their weight around behind the scenes, things will get even uglier for commissioner Kevin Warren. This seems to be in line with the rumor going around that a few Big Ten schools are looking to play with the Big 12, and Ohio State is looking to play with the ACC.
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9:24a, 8/17/20
Ohio State should play in the Big 12 since the ACC already took ND.
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9:26a, 8/17/20
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There's no way Rutgers, Maryland, the IL schools, IN schools should have as much say as tOSU, Michigan, Penn State, Wiscaansen.

That's why this happened if I had to guess. Seems like the Blue Chips want to play
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9:30a, 8/17/20
It's a cluster. Combine this with the new info on quick saliva testing the NBA helped fund that is now FDA approved and you have a lot of dissent. The issue isn't whether to play but rather why the decision had to be made at that time rather than deferring as late as possible? If this new test can be produced in large quantities in the next couple weeks then you've addressed most of the concerns of planning out a season. You can test daily at an affordable price for a major conference team, which means you know who has it and when. The players who get it can go through proper, timely screening for myocarditis (which existed before covid and is readily detectible via an ECG) or you could simply say anyone diagnosed has to sit out as a precaution. At that point, the only significant issue is a breakout that functionally makes it impossible to play but you can't predict that and you just deal with it as it occurs rather than canceling an entire season assuming it will happen.
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In reply to TMartin • 9:33a, 8/17/20
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The rumor suggested they are interested in the ACC specifically because they want to schedule a game with ND. But I'd love to watch them go to the Big 12 and spank the sips and 0u.

Here's what I'm referring to. I'm calling it a "rumor" because I'm not sure how credible this guy is:
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In reply to BrotherChad • 9:38a, 8/17/20
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BrotherChad said:
There's no way Rutgers, Maryland, the IL schools, IN schools should have as much say as tOSU, Michigan, Penn State, Wiscaansen.

That's why this happened if I had to guess. Seems like the Blue Chips want to play

Not meaning to pick a fight, but from what you're saying, you agreed that tu needed more say in the big 12.

I guess bama, lsu, florida and auburn need to have more weighted influence in the SEC, since they've done more than most of the other schools.

I thought that was why we left the big 12, as we thought tu had too much influence and/or say as to what direction the conference needed to pursue.

In my humble opinion, the other less influential schools need to heed what these other big schools are saying, but each school has one vote.

Again, I understand what you're meaning here, but in my opinion these schools (tosu, mich, pedo, wisc) need to influence these other schools behind the scenes.

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In reply to WallyWonka • 9:42a, 8/17/20
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WallyWonka said:

BrotherChad said:
There's no way Rutgers, Maryland, the IL schools, IN schools should have as much say as tOSU, Michigan, Penn State, Wiscaansen.

That's why this happened if I had to guess. Seems like the Blue Chips want to play

Not meaning to pick a fight, but from what you're saying, you agreed that tu needed more say in the big 12.

I guess bama, lsu, florida and auburn need to have more weighted influence in the SEC, since they've done more than most of the other schools.

I thought that was why we left the big 12, as we thought tu had too much influence and/or say as to what direction the conference needed to pursue.

In my humble opinion, the other less influential schools need to heed what these other big schools are saying, but each school has one vote.

Again, I understand what you're meaning here, but in my opinion these schools (tosu, mich, pedo, wisc) need to influence these other schools behind the scenes.



This! All schools have an equal say or it may as well just be the tu10...8-6 is still a majority for no play...that's the decision as a conference (even if you think it was a stupid one...or at least too early)
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In reply to BrotherChad • 9:49a, 8/17/20
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Some are more equal than others! Your words are truth comrade chad!
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9:52a, 8/17/20
Do not take anyone seriously that says Michigan is looking to join the big 12.
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In reply to St Hedwig Aggie • 10:05a, 8/17/20
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West Point Aggie said:
WallyWonka said:

BrotherChad said:
There's no way Rutgers, Maryland, the IL schools, IN schools should have as much say as tOSU, Michigan, Penn State, Wiscaansen.

That's why this happened if I had to guess. Seems like the Blue Chips want to play

Not meaning to pick a fight, but from what you're saying, you agreed that tu needed more say in the big 12.

I guess bama, lsu, florida and auburn need to have more weighted influence in the SEC, since they've done more than most of the other schools.

I thought that was why we left the big 12, as we thought tu had too much influence and/or say as to what direction the conference needed to pursue.

In my humble opinion, the other less influential schools need to heed what these other big schools are saying, but each school has one vote.

Again, I understand what you're meaning here, but in my opinion these schools (tosu, mich, pedo, wisc) need to influence these other schools behind the scenes.



This! All schools have an equal say or it may as well just be the tu10...8-6 is still a majority for no play...that's the decision as a conference (even if you think it was a stupid one...or at least too early)

I don't have a problem with those other schools having an equal vote for playing conference games, but it is b.s. that that vote can then prevent the schools that want to play from playing non-conference games or joining other conferences on a temporary basis.

If you cancel you should be forfeiting your right to complain about what the others do. The point of a conference is to facilitate playing games, not to actively prevent a team from doing so.
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10:07a, 8/17/20
Interesting.....the Big 10 commissioner (Kevin Warren) that says it's too dangerous to play college football has a son at Miss St. playing college football (Powers Warren).
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In reply to carbon copy • 10:09a, 8/17/20
carbon copy said:
Interesting.....the Big 10 commissioner (Kevin Warren) that says it's too dangerous to play college football has a son at Miss St. playing college football (Powers Warren).


Kevin Warren is delivering the message of the presidents of the universities that he works for. I doubt he gives the press His personal opinion on the matter as it would potentially undermine his bosses
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 10:13a, 8/17/20
Then why the supposed wrong vote initially reported? Give other teams an option rather than canceling completely.
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In reply to texan12 • 10:14a, 8/17/20
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Then why the supposed wrong vote initially reported? Give other teams an option rather than canceling completely.


Did he report the vote? I don't know either way.

If he did, I'd take his word over an anonymous source. If it's all anonymous sources, then it's really just guessing on what the truth is.

(Though If the source is Sir Yacht, his statement on Michigan shows he isn't very credible. But I have no idea what the vote was)
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10:33a, 8/17/20
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Conferences routinely have one vote, see where it falls, then have a second vote to in order to have a "show of unity". Entirely possible B1G did that.

The dynamics of these conferences are interesting. They sell the idea of all being equal but they're not. In the BDF, all the little fish look to Texas since they have the most $. In the B1G. it's a trifecta of OSU/Michigan/Penn State. SEC is a little more complicated still with A&M, Georgia, Alabama, Florida and LSU all being top 10 income schools.
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10:38a, 8/17/20
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The little 12 has already set their schedule. They can't accommodate 1 B1G team, much less multiple B1G teams. This is all rumors and conspiracy theory.

Every conference will play conference games only with ACC allowing 1 non-con. IF games are played at all.

The B1G will have to reverse their decision, or allow those B1G teams that want to play to play a mini-season amongst themselves.
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In reply to sshm • 10:40a, 8/17/20
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sshm said:
West Point Aggie said:
WallyWonka said:

BrotherChad said:
There's no way Rutgers, Maryland, the IL schools, IN schools should have as much say as tOSU, Michigan, Penn State, Wiscaansen.

That's why this happened if I had to guess. Seems like the Blue Chips want to play

Not meaning to pick a fight, but from what you're saying, you agreed that tu needed more say in the big 12.

I guess bama, lsu, florida and auburn need to have more weighted influence in the SEC, since they've done more than most of the other schools.

I thought that was why we left the big 12, as we thought tu had too much influence and/or say as to what direction the conference needed to pursue.

In my humble opinion, the other less influential schools need to heed what these other big schools are saying, but each school has one vote.

Again, I understand what you're meaning here, but in my opinion these schools (tosu, mich, pedo, wisc) need to influence these other schools behind the scenes.



This! All schools have an equal say or it may as well just be the tu10...8-6 is still a majority for no play...that's the decision as a conference (even if you think it was a stupid one...or at least too early)

I don't have a problem with those other schools having an equal vote for playing conference games, but it is b.s. that that vote can then prevent the schools that want to play from playing non-conference games or joining other conferences on a temporary basis.

If you cancel you should be forfeiting your right to complain about what the others do. The point of a conference is to facilitate playing games, not to actively prevent a team from doing so.


Agreed. I don't mind every team having 1 vote, but a vote to cancel the season should take something like 75%, not 51%
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11:17a, 8/17/20
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there's just too much money at stake and too many NFL futures at stake...

to let some guy who's been on the job for barely a year (and is clearly more interested in voter registration than playing football)...to make this decision
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In reply to W • 11:22a, 8/17/20
W said:
there's just too much money at stake and too many NFL futures at stake...

to let some guy who's been on the job for barely a year (and is clearly more interested in voter registration than playing football)...to make this decision


Warren didn't make the decision.
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11:45a, 8/17/20
To say Northwestern should have the same vote as tOSU is ridiculous.

tOSU makes a multitude more $$ and should have more say. They may say their votes are equal but no way this is true behind closed doors.
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12:26p, 8/17/20
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Those schools should absolutely have the same amount of say as to whether the Big 10 plays football. Keeping individual teams from playing in other conferences is a completely different story however. That decision has nothing to do with Big 10 football, unless you are willing to blackball the schools that leave from rejoining the conference in the future. If the schools mentioned are really thinking about leaving, it would be suicide for the remaining schools to try to play that card.
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In reply to St Hedwig Aggie • 12:37p, 8/17/20
A move that significant should require more than a simple majority. They effectively voted to bankrupt themselves.

Even dumber, it was the weaker earners who voted for it. This is like the beginning of atlas shrugged.

The commissioner is weaker than i suspected. He should have gone to the presidents of Michigan and Ohio state and demanded that they provide some cover for him delaying the vote.

Bigger than that, I can't believe NW and Ill so aggressively overplayed their hands. NW would be a candidate for ouster in another round of conference realignment. Ill probably survives, but does not bring anything more than the avg conference member. Their survival is likewise not assured.

If Ohio State plays in the acc or as an independent, Nebraska and others will too and Warren will not be able to sanction them. He might as well resign bc he is a stuffed suit at this point.
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In reply to sshm • 12:43p, 8/17/20
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sshm said:
West Point Aggie said:
WallyWonka said:

BrotherChad said:
There's no way Rutgers, Maryland, the IL schools, IN schools should have as much say as tOSU, Michigan, Penn State, Wiscaansen.

That's why this happened if I had to guess. Seems like the Blue Chips want to play

Not meaning to pick a fight, but from what you're saying, you agreed that tu needed more say in the big 12.

I guess bama, lsu, florida and auburn need to have more weighted influence in the SEC, since they've done more than most of the other schools.

I thought that was why we left the big 12, as we thought tu had too much influence and/or say as to what direction the conference needed to pursue.

In my humble opinion, the other less influential schools need to heed what these other big schools are saying, but each school has one vote.

Again, I understand what you're meaning here, but in my opinion these schools (tosu, mich, pedo, wisc) need to influence these other schools behind the scenes.



This! All schools have an equal say or it may as well just be the tu10...8-6 is still a majority for no play...that's the decision as a conference (even if you think it was a stupid one...or at least too early)

I don't have a problem with those other schools having an equal vote for playing conference games, but it is b.s. that that vote can then prevent the schools that want to play from playing non-conference games or joining other conferences on a temporary basis.

If you cancel you should be forfeiting your right to complain about what the others do. The point of a conference is to facilitate playing games, not to actively prevent a team from doing so.
This.

6 of the schools don't want to play? Fine, don't play, sit it out and forfeit your season. But to state "because we aren't playing, you don't get to either even if you want to" is pure garbage IMO. That isn't a conference, that is more like a dictatorship where some schools can dictate how others operate. I'd be questioning my allegiance to said conference if I were one of the 6 schools.
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In reply to 12th Man Stan Account • 12:44p, 8/17/20
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OneAnd19More said:
The rumor suggested they are interested in the ACC specifically because they want to schedule a game with ND. But I'd love to watch them go to the Big 12 and spank the sips and 0u.

Here's what I'm referring to. I'm calling it a "rumor" because I'm not sure how credible this guy is:
Sir Yacht is my go-to guy for all college football news.
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In reply to schmellba99 • 12:59p, 8/17/20
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6 of the schools don't want to play? Fine, don't play, sit it out and forfeit your season. But to state "because we aren't playing, you don't get to either even if you want to" is pure garbage IMO. That isn't a conference, that is more like a dictatorship where some schools can dictate how others operate. I'd be questioning my allegiance to said conference if I were one of the 6 schools.
A minority of schools saying "we don't like the majority's plan, so we're going to undermine it and tell the majority to forfeit" sounds a lot closer to a dictatorship than what's actually transpired up in the Big 10.

Conferences vote all the time on things and you're subject to the results. That's part of the deal. If you don't want to affected by the will of a group, then don't be part of the group. You can be an independent if you don't want to be subject to the will of a group.

I get the seriousness of this, and I get that maybe, probably this is "different", but on the principled side of things, we used to and still hate when we thought a blue blood, or minority collection of blue bloods, was looking out for itself at the harm of the larger conference.

And that's exactly what'd be happening if a blue blood or a minority group of blue bloods (Ohio State, Michigan, etc.) say "screw the group's plan for a spring season" and go off and join other conferences.
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In reply to PJYoung • 1:38p, 8/17/20
Yikes. If the conference didn't follow a process, that's one thing.

But a lot of people in this thread that really want to keep their cake an eat it too as far as how power is wielded within a conference.
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In reply to TXAggie2011 • 1:38p, 8/17/20
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And conferences are 100% voluntary, so if a school says "Nope, don't like these other schools telling me to cancel my football season and cut my revenue stream for all athletics completely (which isn't what a conference is supposed to do, and nobody has expectations that the votes on things that the conference votes on are of such significant nature)", then they have every right to leave and go do what is best for them because, in their view, the conference is not doing exactly that. Which is the point of a conference to begin with.

I agree with the other poster that it shoudl take more than 51% of the vote to cancel an entire season. That is really something that should be a near unanimous vote amongst the members, and those that choose not to play even after a vote have the option of simply forfeiting their season, and the revenues that come with said forfeit. If 6 of the Big 10 members want to play ball, sounds like they have a conference to themselves to do so IMO.
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2:04p, 8/17/20
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Sounds like some lawsuits about to start popping.
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2:40p, 8/17/20
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Maybe wait till we actually play football in the the SEC before we worry about the B1G.
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7:06p, 8/17/20
I still dont get why they pulled the plug so soon. They had time to wait and see how things would go.
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In reply to dachsie • 7:39p, 8/17/20
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Weren't they scheduled to start early September? They could have just pushed start date back.
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7:57p, 8/17/20
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What a mess they have.

Can you imagine 6 to 8 of them agreeing to play and creating a schedule with some home and home match-ups to make a10 game schedule and then having to share the conference distribution pay-out with all the others? Makes me laugh!
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7:58p, 8/17/20
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Well, we'll find out this week if Sir Yacht's source is as good as he says it is. He just made a HUGE claim:


I want to believe him but I'm very skeptical.

Here's some speculation from an Ohio State beat writer:
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8:19p, 8/17/20
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a reversal to play would be fairly unprecedented in college or pro sports.

but there are millions and millions of dollars at stake.

the payout to Big Ten schools last year from their TV contracts (and network) was around $50 MM per.

how much does that decrease with no football and no live conference sports (of any kind) in the last 9 months of the year?
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