Its clear the Big and Pac are not going to play at this point, the only way they play is if there is a vaccine or some big time game changer that brings liabilities down, the whole player demands has a lot to do with them not playing, imho.

There is a bigger issue beyond the dollars. The decisions will probably be made by school presidents. They are primarily worried about the academics, especially their continuing membership in the rectum-sniffing club.

The current groupthink says that shutting down football advances the club's political agenda. So, it would take several important B1G presidents to stand up to the club. Whether they really do it is TBA.

Some of the posters on here have a better feel for university politics.

thats why we aren't seeing any schools go on record or "leak" through a credible source that the School was against the decision. All these "rumors" about what athletic departments want isn't really relevant.

Not sure it's political as much as risk averse. Though biases always play into decisions of course.
But let's say you are a college president and manage a 1-2 billion dollar annual budget, 100 million or so of that is in jeopardy. So it's bad but not crazy bad.
But how much would lawsuits cost if heaven forbid something happened to one or more kids?
More importantly, if you are the one or one of only a few schools that has a kid face serious long term consequences or worst case death, academically you could get ruined. You will be known as the school that put football over lives, it will stick with that school for decades or longer I'm the national narrative. Many presidents will take the one year hit to the budget (especially those with large endowments like the big10 and pac12 generally have) to avoid that. And even if they can't raid the endowment, they will take a 10 percent loss for a year And find a way to get past it, even if the athletic department is technically separate. Especially in places outside of the south where football is popular but not a religion - it was the two non southern conferences that cancelled.

Nah man, everyone knows that libs never have to answer for their mistakes.

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Not sure it's political as much as risk averse. Though biases always play into decisions of course.
But let's say you are a college president and manage a 1-2 billion dollar annual budget, 100 million or so of that is in jeopardy. So it's bad but not crazy bad.
But how much would lawsuits cost if heaven forbid something happened to one or more kids?
More importantly, if you are the one or one of only a few schools that has a kid face serious long term consequences or worst case death, academically you could get ruined. You will be known as the school that put football over lives, it will stick with that school for decades or longer I'm the national narrative. Many presidents will take the one year hit to the budget (especially those with large endowments like the big10 and pac12 generally have) to avoid that. And even if they can't raid the endowment, they will take a 10 percent loss for a year And find a way to get past it, even if the athletic department is technically separate. Especially in places outside of the south where football is popular but not a religion - it was the two non southern conferences that cancelled.

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Following your analogy, We should just get rid of football. Much more likely to get seriously injured or die by playing a contact sport like football.

I'm not arguing there isn't hypocrisy, but football itself with its risks is accepted socially. Covid and its current place in society is a very different argument. And now that all the lower divisions have cancelled, it's harder to make the case that they thought it was OK if something goes south. Once all the cancellations came it out them in a much tougher position. Agree or disagree with them, it's risk aversion (reputational as much or more than financial) more than politics.

When something does not make sense,

It's money or politics or both.

It's one of these.

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That "groundwork" has been shutdown

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Not at all. As I noted in my post above, it may not be the entire Big 10, but the major football schools are going to play if the SEC plays. Period. They are working it out now....

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As they should! At least they have to try. Play game 1, schedule a 2-week break to assess and improve and go forward if everything checks out. If you have to suspend or adjust fine, but you have to try!

Nice move by Nebraska to align with the conference blue bloods on this.

Warren is in over his head. Have you seen the interviews? Yikes. Warren couldn't lead an army of ants to a pound of sugar.

Days of Our Lives: 2020 Big10 Edition keeps getting better.

ADs unanimously voted in favor of a fall season but their input was never actually considered.

https://www.outkick.com/big-ten-ads-were-unanimous-in-favor-of-playing-football-in-the-fall/

So are we to assume given the enormous decision to be made that no one amongst the leadership across all the schools raised the question/suggestion that resources from every school be brought together to discuss the issue? You let a FIRST YEAR commissioner with zero experience as a college commissioner take the reins without question?

Why wouldn't at least ONE seasoned AD who accounted for the hundreds of years of experience that Moos mentions make some noise in this process, especially with a first-year commissioner?

Unbelievable.

I personally think this scenario plays in the favor of the SEC. I'm interested in whether CBS sells its remaining years of the OTA rights to ESPN soon.

I love Moos as the NU AD but I'm calling BS on his assertion of hundreds of years of AD experience. Why? Because although this is an unprecedented time, it wouldn't take more than 10 years of experience to question Warren's handling of this situation. You mean to tell me that Moos and the other ADs of substance just sat back and let a first-year commissioner speak for them without questioning his process? HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of dollars are on the line and NOBODY questions or asks for a conference call(s) to collaborate and discuss the situation especially with a first-year commissioner?

NOBODY?

If so, then shame on Moos and the other ADs. You failed your institution, your coaches, your kids, parents, fans, employees and countless others.

Hey, at least Warren's son gets to play in the SEC!

Unbelievable.

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. You mean to tell me that Moos and the other ADs of substance just sat back and let a first-year commissioner speak for them without questioning his process?

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Warren doesn't speak for the ADs. The presidents of the respective universities speak for the ADs

How bad will this hurt recruiting for the b10 and pac going forward if sec acc and b12 play.

If I were parent of kid being recruited what they have already Done would affect me. Who's to know what those schools will do in the future.

I hope the B10 doesnt play

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I hope the B10 doesnt play

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Honestly, I want 4-6 teams playing, and the rest trying to play in the spring, with some of those bailing again in March. Because that's the most chaos.

And then I would love to hear the discussions on Big Ten sharing revenue if that happened (and I don't think it will).

At least one person is glad the Big 10 cancelled football. No word on if she's helping all the colleges cover budget shortfalls.

Hope Michigan turns red in December as a result.

https://www.outkick.com/michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer-glad-big-ten-canceled-football/

How's that groundwork coming along? Schedule released yet?

I am with you in not seeing how they possibly let SEC play and sit out. but clock is rapidly ticking if they want to be in the "normal" season that matters

Seems the medical paper that the Big 10 used to justify their decision was retracted.

https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/Article/Big-Ten-Kevin-Warren-on-brink-of-biggest-blunder-in-sports-history-canceling-football-season-150741698/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=algorithm

Is there a link to that paper/study being retracted?

Reports are that in addition to a January start, the big ten is also now looking at a start after Thanksgiving

Ive hesitated to post this because I did not hear the conversation direclty however my source is very reliable as his son is probably the top recruit next year and has direct contact with many coaches.

The DNC was soliciting at least 1 Big 10 school (may or may not have been PSU) to cancel their football season in exchange for 1 year of financial support for their football program.

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Ive hesitated to post this because I did not hear the conversation direclty however my source is very reliable as his son is probably the top recruit next year and has direct contact with many coaches.

The DNC was soliciting at least 1 Big 10 school (may or may not have been PSU) to cancel their football season in exchange for 1 year of financial support for their football program.

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You can't just say this without citing a source... oh wait, zoo rules. You're good.

I don't buy it. Why would coaches tell a recruit parent that? If story was true, it would have been offered to the school president. If coaches know about it, then 10+ people know. And 10+ people means it would have leaked to the media

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Ive hesitated to post this because I did not hear the conversation direclty however my source is very reliable as his son is probably the top recruit next year and has direct contact with many coaches.

The DNC was soliciting at least 1 Big 10 school (may or may not have been PSU) to cancel their football season in exchange for 1 year of financial support for their football program.

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Taking this with a healthy dose of skepticism... People with "sources" like this rarely pan out, Rhett Bomar selling cars being one of the lone exceptions.

Plus, they'd stand to lose SO much more than 1 year of financial support by cancelling this season. They'd need about 5-10 years of financial support to make up what they'll lose by cancelling.

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Ive hesitated to post this because I did not hear the conversation direclty however my source is very reliable as his son is probably the top recruit next year and has direct contact with many coaches.

The DNC was soliciting at least 1 Big 10 school (may or may not have been PSU) to cancel their football season in exchange for 1 year of financial support for their football program.

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lol. sure.

dcAg said:

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Ive hesitated to post this because I did not hear the conversation direclty however my source is very reliable as his son is probably the top recruit next year and has direct contact with many coaches.

The DNC was soliciting at least 1 Big 10 school (may or may not have been PSU) to cancel their football season in exchange for 1 year of financial support for their football program.

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I don't think that this is impossible, but I do think it's impossible that a recruit would be told.

Nebraska
Iowa
tOSU

Egghead liberal professors came from egghead liberal families (you know, the kind who thought McGovern was gonna win), went to egghead liberal colleges, and had only egghead liberal friends. Then they went to egghead liberal graduate schools, became professors at egghead liberal universities, and moved into egghead liberal administrative jobs. They have never been in touch with anyone but egghead liberals, and are truly shocked that their opinions on college football, Covid-19, and world rule are not simply accepted like the law coming down from Mount Sinai. Why should they need to consult anybody? Clearly they are the coolest of the cool, wisest of the wise, and most important among the chosen. They are truly shocked that Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State would deign to endeavor down the path of sportball.

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dcAg said:

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Ive hesitated to post this because I did not hear the conversation direclty however my source is very reliable as his son is probably the top recruit next year and has direct contact with many coaches.

The DNC was soliciting at least 1 Big 10 school (may or may not have been PSU) to cancel their football season in exchange for 1 year of financial support for their football program.

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You can't just say this without citing a source... oh wait, zoo rules. You're good.

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Zoo rules AND Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, Fox News... and every other news outlet.

I would love to know the details of this conversation.