So when did Indiana turn so blue then........?

Big 10. Bret Bielema was very successful at Wisconsin, in the Big 10, but failed at Arkansas when he had to play in the ultimate conference. Tells you a lot.

You think this is fun.

How do you think the bowl committees are handling all of this behind the scenes?

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I'm cautiously optimistic, but still worried about the season not starting. The ACC worries me with what UNC did today. All it takes is mass panic if COVID spikes on a few too many campuses in one conference for the whole season to be doomed. I hope the campus officials are reasonable in their expectations for the COVID rates when students return to campus and don't abandon ship at the first sign of trouble. If colleges handle these next few weeks sensibly, we can have football. Let's hope they don't cave to the media pressure that will continue to ramp up every day football hasn't been cancelled yet.

It's gonna be hilarious watching the fallout in the Big 10 and Pac-12 if we're actually able to complete a season this year. If things are still ready to launch by the week of the first games in September, you'll see the panic begin as those two conferences realize they just nuked themselves for a long time by bailing on the season too early. You'll see calls for Kevin Warren and Larry Scott to resign. You'll see angry coaches and players calling out people publicly.

Ohio State fans are numerous and vocal, and you can bet they'll go absolutely ballistic if a season is played without them when they had a great chance to win a title this year. Things are gonna get even nastier on that front if Kevin Warren's son plays the season at MSU without sitting out when his dad helped to shut down all Big 10 sports for the year.

The Pac-12 would spiral even further into irrelevance. I think Oregon was in prime position to rise as the dominant force on the West Coast for the 2020s, but missing this season while others play would severely damage that potential.

Doesn't the Big 10 have a lengthy grant of rights for their member schools?

So any money that the schools that would leave would make this fall would go to the Big 10 and not the schools that would leave.

Father of Ohio State CB Shaun Wade booked airline tickets to Chicago to visit the Big Ten headquarters in person. Is asking others to join him in demanding answers from Kevin Warren:

You're correct, but I would think a grant of media rights would be contingent on there actually being games played and broadcasted. I really don't know for sure.

So what's basically happening is the only people who think we should cancel everything are the Karens Of the world and people that don't have jobs

LSU Baseball Fan said:

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I'm cautiously optimistic, but still worried about the season not starting. The ACC worries me with what UNC did today. All it takes is mass panic if COVID spikes on a few too many campuses in one conference for the whole season to be doomed. I hope the campus officials are reasonable in their expectations for the COVID rates when students return to campus and don't abandon ship at the first sign of trouble. If colleges handle these next few weeks sensibly, we can have football. Let's hope they don't cave to the media pressure that will continue to ramp up every day football hasn't been cancelled yet.

It's gonna be hilarious watching the fallout in the Big 10 and Pac-12 if we're actually able to complete a season this year. If things are still ready to launch by the week of the first games in September, you'll see the panic begin as those two conferences realize they just nuked themselves for a long time by bailing on the season too early. You'll see calls for Kevin Warren and Larry Scott to resign. You'll see angry coaches and players calling out people publicly.

Ohio State fans are numerous and vocal, and you can bet they'll go absolutely ballistic if a season is played without them when they had a great chance to win a title this year. Things are gonna get even nastier on that front if Kevin Warren's son plays the season at MSU without sitting out when his dad helped to shut down all Big 10 sports for the year.

The Pac-12 would spiral even further into irrelevance. I think Oregon was in prime position to rise as the dominance force on the West Coast for the 2020s, but missing this season while others play would severely damage that potential.

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Again, if the SEC plays this year, there is no chance the Big 10 follows through and actually doesn't play. Ohio State, et al. are simply not going to allow that to happen. Maybe it won't be the entire Big 10, but if the SEC plays, the major schools in the Big 10 will find a way to play.

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Again, if the SEC plays this year, there is no chance the Big 10 follows through and actually doesn't play. Ohio State, et al. are simply not going to allow that to happen. Maybe it won't be the entire Big 10, but if the SEC plays, the major schools in the Big 10 will find a way to play.

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In theory, I agree with you. But I think the actual possibility of that happening wanes with each passing day. If you and I were the czars of those Big 10 schools and wanted to play football, we could probably still make it happen. But I'm not convinced they're really trying to play in the fall at all.

Those schools can try to find a way to play all they want, but they're running out of time and options. I think they already have. The Big 12, ACC, and SEC have already finalized their schedules after tonight. I don't see that changing. Even if the ACC and SEC wanted to throw a lifeline to those schools, they already have 15 and 14 conference teams. It's not feasible to add more to that schedule on short notice. The Big 12 could feasibly add a few teams, but that's not happening at this point.

The closest thing to that which might have happened was Nebraska and Iowa playing in the Big 12 for this season, and that got shot down. Now all the Big 10 coaches are publicly silent or supportive of the decision to not play. They've been told to be silent and accept it. Nebraska's defiance was quickly stomped.

Would any of the G5 conferences still playing help the Big 10 schools? I doubt it. This is the best chance to showcase their conferences they've ever had. I don't even think tons of money would make that happen. The logistics aren't feasible for that to work, anyways.

I just don't see some schools Big 10 teams playing and not others. Either they'll all reverse course in the next week or two, or they won't play until Fall 2021. If I'm an SEC head coach, I don't want anyone throwing the Big 10 or Pac-12 a lifeline; I'm licking my chops and trying to poach their recruits. Even Ohio State's #1 class is already hurting a bit from this, and this will crater those conferences' recruiting for a while.

LSU Baseball Fan said:

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It's gonna be hilarious watching the fallout in the Big 10 and Pac-12 if we're actually able to complete a season this year. If things are still ready to launch by the week of the first games in September, you'll see the panic begin as those two conferences realize they just nuked themselves for a long time by bailing on the season too early. You'll see calls for Kevin Warren and Larry Scott to resign. You'll see angry coaches and players calling out people publicly.

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it would be so humiliating and embarrassing for the B1G and Pac-12, if the season were to make it all the way to the playoff...

that it makes you wonder if sabotage could come into play.

sounds crazy, but the amount of money that could be gained by the SEC, ACC, Big 12, and ND; and lost by the B1G and Pac-12 is staggering. Hundreds of millions of dollars

Conference realignment may come into play if teams are wanting to leave their conference and use the season cancellation as negating the previous contract. Additionally, no revenue loss for this year being held over their heads.

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Father of Ohio State CB Shaun Wade booked airline tickets to Chicago to visit the Big Ten headquarters in person. Is asking others to join him in demanding answers from Kevin Warren:

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If he is flying to Chicago, won't he have to quarantine for 14 days?

And here's the groundwork for the Big 10 to change course...

https://twitter.com/IAmTheActualET/status/1295745239878119427?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1295745239878119427%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Ftexags.com%2Fforums%2F25%2Ftopics%2F3131558

Plus the state of Ohio just approved high school football for the fall. You think Ohio State is going to sit this season out while the Browns, Bengals, and high schools are playing, not to mention the SEC? Not a chance.

That "groundwork" has been shutdown

Jan to April big ten football...it will be hilarious

West Point Aggie said:

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Jan to April big ten football...it will be hilarious

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Spoiler alert!!!


they aren't going to play big 10 football in the spring

BMX Bandit said:

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That "groundwork" has been shutdown

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Not at all. As I noted in my post above, it may not be the entire Big 10, but the major football schools are going to play if the SEC plays. Period. They are working it out now....

I would be stunned if Wisconsin is talking about playing.

That's funny,
Nebraska and Iowa were told to be quiet. But now these teams are going rogue.

I'm wondering if all the 8-6 new vote was BS. People just leaking new lies to justify what they are doing now.

No matter what happens with Big 10 they look like a circus with zero leadership.

I wonder if any $dollars made by these 6 teams will have to be shared by all 14 members of the conference. Haha
Besides Indiana and Purdue all the rest are in blue states. Blue states tend to expect that they need to be bailed out and taken care of.

Why hasn't one of the presidents that was against this made that known?

strangely enough...looking at this fiasco with the Big Ten...have to give the longhorns some credit.

this is why they dominate or attempt to dominate every conference they are in.

the sips are not going to let the lightweights or the small schools make critical decisions that hurt them. The horns won't let them be equals in order to protect their (t.u.'s) interests and revenue.

Ohio State and some of the other traditional B1G powers may be wishing they had done likewise. Instead of sharing equal power/voting with the non-football schools / non-powerhouse schools. (e.g. NW, Illinois, Rutgers, etc..,)

They are not equal in the BIG. Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State are the money makers, so they can do what they want. What is the BIG going to do, kick them out? If the SEC plays and those three don't, it could seriously harm their recruiting and performance for years. It will be interesting to see what happens.

DM44 said:

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They are not equal in the BIG. Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State are the money makers, so they can do what they want. What is the BIG going to do, kick them out? If the SEC plays and those three don't, it could seriously harm their recruiting and performance for years. It will be interesting to see what happens.

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Exactly. That's why I've been saying on this thread and others that the blue bloods in the Big 10 will play if the SEC plays, period. They are not going to let the SEC monopolize college football. You posed the key question, which is, what is the Big 10 going to do about it, kick them out? No, the Big 10 will do nothing because it doesn't exist without Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State, and to a lesser extent Iowa, Wisconsin, and Nebraska.

If I was in the shoes of those six schools right now, I would tell the Big 10 and the rest of the schools in it something like this: go get ****ed. We are playing by ourselves, and we're keeping every dollar of TV revenue this year. You get nothing. If you're really lucky and we're feeling generous, we won't start our own conference and relegate you all to group of 5 status.

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Ohio State should play in the Big 12 since the ACC already took ND.

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t.u. will never allow it.

as someone posted previously...the B1G's big mistake was allowing cancellation by just a majority vote.

all conferences need to go amend their charters to say that it takes 3/5 (60%) or 2/3 (67%) vote to cancel a season.

that provides protection for the moneymakers / big state-school block.

Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Nebraska, etc..,

Get Off My Lawn said:

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Trying to kill the season without even discussing the alternative of playing in empty stadiums (at campuses packed with kids) should be a clear sign that the desire by many was to NOT play.

Fear of liability doesn't really fit, since the schools arent going fully virtual. Extra risk don't really fit since athletes are still practicing together. I may be wrong, but it smells like politics to me.

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It's politics. The people saying that it's about lawsuits are just playing lawyer and trying to sound smart. That's not a concern for these schools.

Good. Let them play.

So Nebraska was dragged through the mud and vilified by Desmond Howard, Michael Wilbon and the B1G brass for even daring to say they wanted to play football and were looking out for their best interests?

Now because Ohio St and Penn St are doing it they're Rouge hero's trying to save the B1G and CFB? What a crock of $#*%

Yes
Similar to my thoughts.

Respect to the Huskers being open from the beginning. These other schools seem to only be doing it bc the other conferences did not follow suit.

I could not imagine living in a blue state.

W said:

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as someone posted previously...the B1G's big mistake was allowing cancellation by just a majority vote.

all conferences need to go amend their charters to say that it takes 3/5 (60%) or 2/3 (67%) vote to cancel a season.

that provides protection for the moneymakers / big state-school block.

Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Nebraska, etc..,

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How do you know the vote wasn't 60% or 67%? All we've seen so far is rumors and "sources" reporting a couple of different numbers.