Do we want to judge the actions of the worst football players to come through, the worst of bonfire, the worst of any segment in the country or world essentially? You are correct, some of the biggest scum in the school came through the corp, and the school should have no tolerance for them. Some of the best this country has known, also went through the Corp, and served and died for this country. I am a non-reg, so no rose-colored glasses here. But to disregard a group, whether it be BLM or the corp or the A&M football team, because of the atrocities of a few, is short-sighted.

Heuberger said:

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May I ask why you're able to have an opinion and he doesn't?
And what makes you think yours is more important then his?

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This is where it goes wrong. The problem is that only one side is being heard right now. If anyone speaks that doesn't agree with Mond or other movements they are racist. The problem is that one opinion is what we should all have to listen to and not be entitled to respectfully disagree. I agree there is a problem. I do not agree with how many are going about it...and for that I'm apparently a racist.

Mond didn't just state an opinion. He made demands. He called many Aggies racists. He put other coaches and players in difficult situations. Some of his tweets and words are racist.

Also, we need to understand that just because you are an athlete going to school for free doesn't make your misguided opinions or demands carry any more weight than any other current or former student. If they want to have honest, factual conversations, more power to them. If they make demands, maybe they should just move on to a university that suits them better.

Wish he had gone pro so he could kneel with his buds, but he couldn't have made a team so I guess that wouldn't have worked.

there have been many aggie football players disowned thru the years due to off-the-field issues and problems. And deservedly so.

Mond will just be another

Mond cherry picked information to support his argument. Then he posted that limited information to the twitter world and demanded A&M to take down Sully. He then thanked ESPN for supporting his argument, based on cherry picked information, which disparaged our great university and again did not provide all the facts. Further he insinuated getting rid of the Corps of Cadets and those who disagreed with his argument regarding Sully were racist.

Is Mond an Aggie...by definition, yes.
Is he a good Aggie...in my opinion, absolutely not.

When Mond retweeted to defund the corps, that included the Aggie Band. Let that sink in. I get it that he is a kid, but Even kids have more sense than to trash the heartbeat of Aggieland. He is dead to me.

Heuberger said:

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I really hate to break this to y'all, but y'all really don't want A&M opening that Pandora's box of injustice in the Corp.
I have the upmost respect for any man or women willing to risk their life for this country. But let's not act like some of those men and women aren't the most upstanding citizens.
Just research #RacismAtTAMUFeelsLike and maybe some of y'all will have your eyes open to some stuff.

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Oh, I read some of it and just like Mond's tweets, there are many stories missing complete information. A lot of insinuations that are not based on fact or missing key details. Are there some legit ones...yes, but every organization has its bad apples. The institution itself is not racist.

Mond has his opinion. I believe he's a good kid, but a confused one that is getting bad advice.

When you mention these "injustices" I would like to see an itemized list of just exactly what they are. Bear in mind that institutionally, minority applicants are advantaged both in education admissions and public employment through affirmative action policies.

Slavery was an immoral reality of our past, but it ended almost 200 years ago. The truth today is that the poorest among Americans, both black and white, enjoys a standard of living better than 99% of Africans from which most of the historic slaves came. Our black families were once strong units rooted in faith. The family structure has deteriorated in far too many instances, in part owing to the unintended consequences of liberal driven welfare programs that incentivize single parent homes.

So why are we talking about statues? Why are some of these self appointed leaders driving divisive rhetoric that alienates potential allies in coming up with real solutions? Does tearing down a statue create an opportunity for a single black child? Does removing law enforcement help provide a safer environment for a black child in a poor neighborhood?

Instead we're arguing about Sul Ross who defended his home and his family as a respected warrior, was the driving influence in crafting our great university and has stood for decades of Aggies. Was he without sin? I'm sure he was not, but it's inarguable that he was among the most accomplished Texans of his time.

If you don't like the statue, fine, but don't expect Aggies who honor and cherish our traditions to sit idle. My suggestion is focus your energy on things that really make a difference.

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Why do so many of you think you are more of an Aggie than he is? That he can't possibly be right? Sul Ross did some great things in his life and was involved in some not so great things. Instead of trying to disprove everything just listen. He is our starting QB for this university and wants change and wants to be heard. Kellen is just expressing what countless of other former athletes and students have felt over the years. No body on this board has ever started at QB for the Aggies or even been a black student athlete. It's embarrassing to say you want him removed from the team when a majority of the players back what he is saying. Mond chose us and will likely go down as our all-time leading passer. I think he's more than earned the right to have an opinion that others might not agree with. Let's not be the university that can't adapt to change.

We are the Aggies, the Aggies are we
True to each other as Aggies can be.

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This is classic! OP tells us Mond is allowed to have an opinion and then spends two pages arguing with everyone on why their opinion is wrong........can't make this **** up!!!!

Heuberger said:

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But let's not act like some of those men and women aren't the most upstanding citizens.

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So now you want to disparage veterans?

You have now lost all credibility

I would relate my experiences in the military in the late 60's but you wouldn't understand.


Glad I am not you.

btw let me add I was not a BQ or CT,

So now racists tweets and commentary is just giving an opinion. Hmm that's interesting.

We all know the obvious double standard on full display here.

It's the same with the Aggie professor that said it's ok to kill white people.

It's real simple to get an ag tag on this site

Yes, Mond is an Aggie. As a leader, he is expected to have convictions and sound judgement. However, effective leaders build and support their arguments without disrespecting the opposition. He crossed the line not just once, but twice in a despicable manner.

Sul Ross was also an Aggie who did more for A&M than most of us combined. More than likely without the dedication of a defeated Confederate General, there wouldn't be any Fightn' Texas Aggies. A&M is able to provide great opportunities for literally millions of people around the world today because of people like Sully.

As I see it, Mond has more in common with Sully than he or we realize at first glance. Could they both be flawed leaders?

BTHO tu forever!

He's a medicore QB with 1/2 a point. The forefathers had a similar issue. From the South, where at the time slaveholding was ordinary. Doesn't make it right, just historical.

The fact that he trashed the university, and then the Corps of Cadets is enough for me.

Sit him down and let him write history papers.

Everyone that is trying to fight for the statue and are upset because of "tradition" are just upset that they are finding themselves a supporter of the wrong side of history. If you are of German descent there is a high probability your ancestors were Nazi's and also fought on the Wrong side of history. Did Hitler do some good things for the country of Germany yes did he do some horrible things to a group of people yes. If you support the Sully statue then by the same logic you would support a Hitler statue. The confederates were treasonous separatists that put their own economic well being over the law of the United States. Why are so many "Americans" willing to back monuments to those that were willing to kill their countrymen out of greed?

Kellen Mond is a true Aggie and American!!!

Are you an Aggie?

EXCELL said:

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You've heard of 2%ers?

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Says the one without an Ag tag. Rich.

Agilaw said:

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Mond didn't just state an opinion. He made demands. He called many Aggies racists.

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Have you ever spent any time on F16? Hell, several boards over the last couple of weeks. Even the GB waded into the cesspool with a Juneteenth thread.

Heuberger said:

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I really hate to break this to y'all, but y'all really don't want A&M opening that Pandora's box of injustice in the Corp.
I have the upmost respect for any man or women willing to risk their life for this country. But let's not act like some of those men and women aren't the most upstanding citizens.
Just research #RacismAtTAMUFeelsLike and maybe some of y'all will have your eyes open to some stuff.

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Yes, I've read it. If you think that you will every totally get rid of racism, you're wrong. There will always be dinosaurs from the past. Fewer each year, but still there. There are 50,000+ students every year at A&M and we see tweets from a few hundred. Still sad, but not the pandemic we are led to believe.

Sully and all other confederates were given a Presidential pardon by the very man that freed all slaves. It was executed by Johnson, but was Lincoln's plan. That, obviously, means nothing to the left wing. Here we are 150+ years later and leftists want to overturn a Presidential pardon.

Did I go to A&M? No, I did not. Do I bleed Maroon and White, Yes!
I've had family and friends attend and are still attending the university. A&M was just not in the cards for me.

What has made A&M unique amongst universities?

• Tradition
• Patriotism
• Conservatism and common sense
• An incredible sense of family, beyond the four years (or more, for some) on campus.

The Corps is part of these factors. The Corps long ago ceased being the backbone of the university, as it became vastly outnumbered by nonregs. But the Corps remained the face of A&M. And while on campus (as is the case among siblings) there might be some fun harassment at times between the Corps and the nonregs, if any outsider dared to step in - heaven help them, for the Corps and nonregs stood shoulder to shoulder - Aggies all.

Without the above core values, A&M will be no different than tu.

When some uneducated and brainwashed youngster comes along:

• criticizing the factors that make A&M unique, which are the foundation of the Aggieland
• leveling broad, unfounded accusations of racism against fellow Aggies

Well, then one cannot help but to question whether that youngster really knows what Aggieland is all about.

I am told that today scholarship athletes have little interaction with the student body. If this is true, perhaps this might explain some of the youngster's problems. Although it does not excuse them.

Everyone who comes to A&M does not become an Aggie. Two percenters have existed for a long time. Merely attending does not make one an Aggie. One becomes an Aggie by embracing the values A&M holds as well as the traditions.

Is Aggieland perfect? No. Nothing associated with humans will ever be perfect on this world.

But there are right ways and wrong ways to go about things.

And this youngster has followed the latter.

lil_frog8 said:

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Everyone that is trying to fight for the statue and are upset because of "tradition" are just upset that they are finding themselves a supporter of the wrong side of history. If you are of German descent there is a high probability your ancestors were Nazi's and also fought on the Wrong side of history. Did Hitler do some good things for the country of Germany yes did he do some horrible things to a group of people yes. If you support the Sully statue then by the same logic you would support a Hitler statue. The confederates were treasonous separatists that put their own economic well being over the law of the United States. Why are so many "Americans" willing to back monuments to those that were willing to kill their countrymen out of greed?

Kellen Mond is a true Aggie and American!!!

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You need to look up the definition of treason. Those 13 states withdrew from the union. Show me where in the Constitution that says "once you join , you're in forever". It's not there.Notice was given and those that were part of the Union army withdrew and went home. The war started when South Carolina bombarded a Union fort in their bay.

Treason is when a declared citizen commits acts betraying their country. These 13 states believed they were no longer part of the country. Those are the facts.

BTW, my great-great grandfather was a Union Army major and fought in several campaigns throughout the South. I'm no confederate sympathizer, but the leftists don't want conversation, they want it their way or the highway.

Most Texans of German descent have nothing to do with nazi Germany. If you knew anything about history, you would understand that most German Texans arrived in late 1800s
Your logic is way off based

lil_frog8 said:

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Everyone that is trying to fight for the statue and are upset because of "tradition" are just upset that they are finding themselves a supporter of the wrong side of history. If you are of German descent there is a high probability your ancestors were Nazi's and also fought on the Wrong side of history. Did Hitler do some good things for the country of Germany yes did he do some horrible things to a group of people yes. If you support the Sully statue then by the same logic you would support a Hitler statue. The confederates were treasonous separatists that put their own economic well being over the law of the United States. Why are so many "Americans" willing to back monuments to those that were willing to kill their countrymen out of greed?

Kellen Mond is a true Aggie and American!!!

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Oh fun, ok now do the Democratic Party (which fought to defend slavery in the civil war). I'm assuming you won't be voting for them in the fall because of that right? I mean a Republican set the slaves free (his name was Abraham Lincoln in case you forgot your history).

lil_frog8 said:

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Everyone that is trying to fight for the statue and are upset because of "tradition" are just upset that they are finding themselves a supporter of the wrong side of history. If you are of German descent there is a high probability your ancestors were Nazi's and also fought on the Wrong side of history. Did Hitler do some good things for the country of Germany yes did he do some horrible things to a group of people yes. If you support the Sully statue then by the same logic you would support a Hitler statue. The confederates were treasonous separatists that put their own economic well being over the law of the United States. Why are so many "Americans" willing to back monuments to those that were willing to kill their countrymen out of greed?

Kellen Mond is a true Aggie and American!!!

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Als Aggie mit deutschem Erbe hoffe ich, dass die unwissende Entscheidung, die Sie getroffen haben, um Ihre Dummheit in Bezug auf ein sensibles Thema zu demonstrieren, dazu fhrt, dass Sie sich weiterbilden, weil Sie die erste Klasse offensichtlich nicht verstanden haben und betrogen haben mssen, um das College zu bestehen.

I vote for policy and ideological approach not the party name. There have been republicans far more liberal than our current president like Abraham Lincoln who you mentioned and Democrats far more conservative. I'm not a sheep that follows a party because of a name.

lil_frog8 said:

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Everyone that is trying to fight for the statue and are upset because of "tradition" are just upset that they are finding themselves a supporter of the wrong side of history. If you are of German descent there is a high probability your ancestors were Nazi's and also fought on the Wrong side of history. Did Hitler do some good things for the country of Germany yes did he do some horrible things to a group of people yes. If you support the Sully statue then by the same logic you would support a Hitler statue. The confederates were treasonous separatists that put their own economic well being over the law of the United States. Why are so many "Americans" willing to back monuments to those that were willing to kill their countrymen out of greed?

Kellen Mond is a true Aggie and American!!!

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I am of German descent as my family goes back to one of the founding families of New Braunfels. Some fought in WW2, one stormed Normandy resulting in a Purple Heart.

You are grossly ignorant and a confused child.

One more edit and I'll leave this alone. Ancestors fought in WW2, really ancestors? These are parents and grandparents to most alive today. You just called out the majority of German descent Americans parents and grandparents as Nazis. Not liberal flinging of word 'Nazi'. Actually Nazis.

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C2 Ag 93 said:

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I lost all respect for him with his racist tweets. He's no Aggie.

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And you would've needed my respect to lose it. You sir are no Aggie.

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Ironic if nothing else

Look OP, you can't retweet something that says #DefundtheCorps as the starting QB for A&M and not expect backlash. If Johnny himself had done it while QB for A&M the backlash would have been severe as well. No one is saying Mond is not entitled to his opinions, however, he isn't trying to state an opinion he is trying to LEAD on this issue. His "opinion" is driving the national narrative about A&M and if you're going to lead on this issue, from social media, you're going to need to think about what you're doing before you do it. Ags are upset about that, and rightfully so, and he has completely failed to address it so maybe that's still his opinion and he just doesn't want the backlash.

You might have the best argument yet.

Not meaning that in a sarcastic way.

Whoa, hold up there partner. According to you and Kellen, Sul Ross made 1 "mistake" by being a general in the confederacy so we should forget everything good he has done and show no forgiveness. So the Democratic Party has done 1 (actually many more) bad thing in trying to keep the institution of slavery, so we should never forgive them and tear them down because of it.

Don't be hypocritical on me.

You don't get my point I was defending you and your family as good people the same way I am defending Kellen. Just because an ancestor may have fought for ideas that are currently on the wrong side of history doesn't mean they support them currently nor have to memorialize them. Just because your family were actual Nazis doesn't mean they currently feel that way but if the masses wanted to remove a statue of a former leader in the SS I don't think your family would petition to keep it. (If your family were fighting for the Allies during WW2 then my statement wasn't aimed at you but those current German families that were of Nazi descent) Similarly just because Sully was a Confederate and some want him down we don't have to petition to keep it. I was simply drawing analogy.

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He's an "Aggie" who uses his platform to bring negative attention to our university. An "Aggie" who has totally divided the fanbase and fractured player/fan relations. An "Aggie" who wants to change damn near everything about Texas A&M to fit the liberal agenda pushed by globalist deep state operatives.

Is he really an Aggie?

Screw 'em

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Unfortunately, too many people on this board think like you.
I'm sure you have never been discriminated against.
Sully did a lot of bad things but he also did some good things later in his life.
I, for one, am torn on this subject , however, I can understand where Mond and others are coming from.
I don't know if there is any middle ground that makes everyone happy.
We live in difficult times.

AgricolaePugna said:

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When Mond retweeted to defund the corps, that included the Aggie Band. Let that sink in. I get it that he is a kid, but Even kids have more sense than to trash the heartbeat of Aggieland. He is dead to me.

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Pretty sure he realized his mistake here and removed his retweet. He's emotional just like all of us.