rockylarues said:

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Couldn't have happened to a better fan base.

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Things were getting a little too chummy in here.

For perspective, Hocutt was fined for factually stating what news he received from the conference office while the other team infamously got away with covering up dozens of rapes.

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Big difference between administration and fan base.

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Of late, SEC refs aren't doing great either. Many blatant calls being ignored, others being called when they aren't correct. NCAA Officiating in general bad this year.

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Its gong to be bad every year. No one is going to like the officiating, ever. If you win, you tolerate it. If you lose, you hate it. What I don't get is why people try to overanalyze it. It is a very simple process: the officials call every ticky-tack thing on your team and let the other team get away with murder. It happens in every game and it happens on both sides in every game. How is that possible you ask? Logically, it isn't possible but it still happens. Just ask all fans at all games.

Not sure how the tech fans are now saying with a straight face that the Big 12 is suddenly in the bag for BAYLOR. Different conference, I know, but I firmly remember a game in 1995 when tech benefitted from some clearly incorrect rulings by the officials in a win over A&M. So please, OP, don't pretend like your school hasn't benefitted from incorrect calls in the past. You have.

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annie88 said:

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Of late, SEC refs aren't doing great either. Many blatant calls being ignored, others being called when they aren't correct. NCAA Officiating in general bad this year.

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Not sure how the tech fans are now saying with a straight face that the Big 12 is suddenly in the bag for BAYLOR.

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I didn't say they were. I guess if you were to put on A foil hat you could say they want Baylor undefeated when they face Texas or OU, but I don't think this runs that deep. My OP here wasn't a complaint about the terrible call, but the childish way the B12 has acted since then. They communicate to Hocutt it was wrong privately something that was subject to FOIA, Tech passes the info along, and then publicly gets reprimanded for being too public. Bowlsby little feelings got hurt so he lashed out.

How is this subject to the FOIA ??

FOIA b/c the conference communicated in writing to TBAT that call was a mistake. But even if that had not happened, the HC or AD could have sent an internal email or text acknowledging that the league office admitted over the phone that it was a bad call. That text or email then arguably becomes FOIA. Mike Leach pulls that all the time.

Needs to be officiating oversight with immediate blown calls being overturned. Officials want to act like supreme arbiters of the truth but they clearly miss calls and are just flat out wrong sometimes. Today's technology makes this easy to do and the money involved demands better officiating

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I'm on record on here as saying we didn't begrudge you guys getting out of the B12 when you did, and that we would have done the same given the opportunity. In case you guys need a reminder what you left behind, you may have missed the Tech/Baylor game on Saturday. In the first overtime Baylor's center fumbled the snap and Tech recovered. After the play an official threw a flag on Baylor for illegal snap, dead ball, no play. It wasn't, and he didn't throw it until the play was over.

Now mistakes happen, and this one ended up costing Tech the game. The B12 contacted Hocutt, the Tech AD, acknowledging the mistake. Hocutt/the department released some of the info with no commentary, merely noting the office conceded their mistake. B12 response? Fine Hocutt $25k! Nevermind it was their mistake, or that they had already admitted it, or even that Hocutt only passed along facts.

Hocutt has sent a reply to Bowlsby defending his actions and mentions that the info he released was all discoverable via FOIA, which had already happened anyway. This is seriously little league shenanigans.

Therefore, if any of you have questioned the the decision, or why certain schools were more reasonable in their reactions than others, you need only reference situations like this, which isn't even isolated.

Good luck this week in Oxford. I expect you guys to return to the win column Saturday.

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Needs to be officiating oversight with immediate blown calls being overturned. Officials want to act like supreme arbiters of the truth but they clearly miss calls and are just flat out wrong sometimes. Today's technology makes this easy to do and the money involved demands better officiating

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I agree. If targeting can be reviewed each time, I think all called and non called penalties ( no block in the back, ? Horse collar) should be able to be reviewed. Sure, the game will last 8 hours, but the networks want more commercial time anyways.

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Sounds like a pretty chickensh** move by the B12.

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It sounds about as chickensh** as giving both teams "unsportsman like conduct" penalties before the 'sip-blow U game.

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And then, aside from a blatant targeting call, not a single additional personal foul the entire game. When is the last time you saw that in a rivalry game?

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annie88 said:

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Of late, SEC refs aren't doing great either. Many blatant calls being ignored, others being called when they aren't correct. NCAA Officiating in general bad this year.

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Not sure how the tech fans are now saying with a straight face that the Big 12 is suddenly in the bag for BAYLOR.

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I didn't say they were. I guess if you were to put on A foil hat you could say they want Baylor undefeated when they face Texas or OU, but I don't think this runs that deep. My OP here wasn't a complaint about the terrible call, but the childish way the B12 has acted since then. They communicate to Hocutt it was wrong privately something that was subject to FOIA, Tech passes the info along, and then publicly gets reprimanded for being too public. Bowlsby little feelings got hurt so he lashed out.

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Ken Starr and Baylor were the slime bags that threatened to sue the SEC for tortious interference when we left. Dodds got Baylor to step up rather so tu wouldn't look like they were going to miss "little brother." tu is still protecting Baylor IMHO.

What surprises me is that Tech ran through the conference in basketball, a game notoriously influenced by officiating. Without watching a single game, my assumption is that Tech, as a national finalist, was so superior to the rest that the officiating couldn't counter a strong team.

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I'm on record on here as saying we didn't begrudge you guys getting out of the B12 when you did, and that we would have done the same given the opportunity. In case you guys need a reminder what you left behind, you may have missed the Tech/Baylor game on Saturday. In the first overtime Baylor's center fumbled the snap and Tech recovered. After the play an official threw a flag on Baylor for illegal snap, dead ball, no play. It wasn't, and he didn't throw it until the play was over.

Now mistakes happen, and this one ended up costing Tech the game. The B12 contacted Hocutt, the Tech AD, acknowledging the mistake. Hocutt/the department released some of the info with no commentary, merely noting the office conceded their mistake. B12 response? Fine Hocutt $25k! Nevermind it was their mistake, or that they had already admitted it, or even that Hocutt only passed along facts.

Hocutt has sent a reply to Bowlsby defending his actions and mentions that the info he released was all discoverable via FOIA, which had already happened anyway. This is seriously little league shenanigans.

Therefore, if any of you have questioned the the decision, or why certain schools were more reasonable in their reactions than others, you need only reference situations like this, which isn't even isolated.

Good luck this week in Oxford. I expect you guys to return to the win column Saturday.

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My pleasure!

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Needs to be officiating oversight with immediate blown calls being overturned. Officials want to act like supreme arbiters of the truth but they clearly miss calls and are just flat out wrong sometimes. Today's technology makes this easy to do and the money involved demands better officiating

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I agree. If targeting can be reviewed each time, I think all called and non called penalties ( no block in the back, ? Horse collar) should be able to be reviewed. Sure, the game will last 8 hours, but the networks want more commercial time anyways.

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Point taken. But think it could be done quicker and possibly retroactive in some cases. Bottom line, it needs to be addressed.

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Blindside block called against us, but not Bama immediately comes to mind. Even danielson noticed.

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FYI...The Illegal Blindside Block that nullified the TD was acknowledged as a missed call by Rogers Redding (National Coordinator of Officials) in this weeks video game review.

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Ken Starr and Baylor were the slime bags that threatened to sue the SEC for tortious interference when we left. Dodds got Baylor to step up rather so tu wouldn't look like they were going to miss "little brother." tu is still protecting Baylor IMHO.

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K* is a certified scumbag. I disagree with the rest of the theory. Throwing this game was not a reward for past services.

The sips and ou truly did not believe they needed us. The conference office gave us permission to leave (subject to an agreed penalty), w/o consulting K*.

K* was trying to curry favor with his base. He thought the program was screwed and needed to appear to "go down fighting." In case you forgot, K* is very good at "going down fighting." He's a nasty little political animal.


Now, did the conference want baylor undefeated for ou in 3 weeks and with 1-loss for tu in 4? Possibly.

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Of late, SEC refs aren't doing great either. Many blatant calls being ignored, others being called when they aren't correct. NCAA Officiating in general bad this year.

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Blindside block called against us, but not Bama immediately comes to mind. Even danielson noticed.

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FYI...The Illegal Blindside Block that nullified the TD was acknowledged as a missed call by Rogers Redding (National Coordinator of Officials) in this weeks video game review.

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Sure it was. Lucky we scored. What if we hadn't....he wouldn't have been so "up front" with the acknowledgement and we would have been out a score...tuff titty. Poor officiating needs to be corrected. Immediate reviews and even retroactive corrections if necessary. I know...all kinds of obstacles to overcome but the game has gotten fast with lots of money on the line. Human beings making quick calls with their eyes and then doing their self gut check about throwing/not throwing a flag is no longer appropriate. Every week there is blatant misses or injustice done. FIX IT NCAA!

I appreciate these threads buttressing my resolve not to go back to the Texas/OU Corral.

Yes the officials blew that call. To equate one bad call against Tech at Baylor is just crying and bawling due to the loss. I have no recollection of any Texas Tech fans upset with the calls made by a man who lives and works in Lubbock, Texas ever being upset at the flags he threw over many years that favored Tech. This guy called a TD when a Tech player caught a pass with both feet out of bounds by five damn yards.

The biggest problem with officials until a couple of years ago was 60% of the Big XII officials were hold overs from the old SWC. Arkansas left the SWC because of bias of Texas officials against the hogs, and rightfully so.

Not a single big xii texas school has a good reason to ***** about the officiating by conference officials.

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Not like that changed the game tho. We still scored
A TD on the drive

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Is this supposed to read like a bad haiku?

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halfastros81 said:

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It's
Not like that changed the game tho. We still scored
A TD on the drive

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Is this supposed to read like a bad haiku?

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I am not sure. But, as pointed out earlier, it is bad analysis given that the block not called on Alabama resulted in an Alabama touchdown.

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Tech is the only one I would like to have a home and home with...plus it would piss tu off.

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Are you joking? TT versus A&M was almost always a great game. All the trash talk and even a melee in the bleachers (goalpost tards) made it a can't miss contest. I'd love it if you guys did a home and home.

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Of late, SEC refs aren't doing great either. Many blatant calls being ignored, others being called when they aren't correct. NCAA Officiating in general bad this year.

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Blindside block called against us, but not Bama immediately comes to mind. Even danielson noticed.

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FYI...The Illegal Blindside Block that nullified the TD was acknowledged as a missed call by Rogers Redding (National Coordinator of Officials) in this weeks video game review.

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Sure it was. Lucky we scored. What if we hadn't....he wouldn't have been so "up front" with the acknowledgement and we would have been out a score...tuff titty. Poor officiating needs to be corrected. Immediate reviews and even retroactive corrections if necessary. I know...all kinds of obstacles to overcome but the game has gotten fast with lots of money on the line. Human beings making quick calls with their eyes and then doing their self gut check about throwing/not throwing a flag is no longer appropriate. Every week there is blatant misses or injustice done. FIX IT NCAA!

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Just saw yesterday's article in the WSJ. NFL trying to fix the problem but have run into the replay officials, who are part of the crew, are hesitant to overrule their buddies on the field.....so bad calls are allowed to stand. The guys back in NYC who review it later are admitting the bias. Is going to be a hot topic in owners meeting.

Who will the Big 12 allow to win between OU and Baylor?

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Who will the Big 12 allow to win between OU and Baylor?

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ou will get close calls. ou has ~ 30% to make the playoff. baylor ~ 10-15% depending on the statistician.

I didn't need a reminder but I do understand the OP's pain comprehensively. It's just my memory recalls it was unusual for the beneficiary to be anyone other than the shorthorns.

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We saw plenty of garbage while we were in the B12. Mostly favoring one team and it wasn't Baylor.

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Didn't we have to score 3 times in a single possession against baylor before we got the points in Tannehill's last year?

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