In my lifetime (but the same is true for whenever you were born):

1980: 4-7
1981: 7-5
1982: 5-6
1983: 5-5-1
1984: 6-5
1985: 10-2
1986: 9-3
1987: 10-2
1988: 7-5
1989: 8-4
1990: 9-3-1
1991: 10-2
1992: 12-1
1993: 10-2
1994: 10-0-1
1995: 9-3
1996: 6-6
1997: 9-4
1998: 11-3
1999: 8-4
2000: 7-5
2001: 8-4
2002: 6-6
2003: 4-8
2004: 7-5
2005: 5-6
2006: 9-4
2007: 7-6
2008: 4-8
2009: 6-7
2010: 9-4
2011: 7-6
2012: 11-2
2013: 9-4
2014: 8-5
2015: 8-5
2016: 8-5
2017: 7-6
2018: 9-4
2019: 3-2....so far

Sigh.

High points. Well, 6 SWC Championships. So that's nice. 1 Big 12 Championship. One Heisman Trophy.

Other than that? Mediocre. The Aggies usually beat the teams they're supposed to beat (directional schools) and normally lose to teams they're not favored to beat (Clemson, Bama etc).

We're not that good. Compare the past 39 years to OU, Texas, LSU, Alabama etc. A&M is basically Texas Tech.

Get used to it Ags. I don't see this changing anytime soon.

LOL

The 90's were fun.

Yet managed to not win the big one. And were caught paying players.

FriscoKid said:

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The 90's were fun.

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Yes they were!

We had a good 5 year run from 1990-1994

Outside of that, pretty much middle of the pack. Just like it's always been.

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FriscoKid said:

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The 90's were fun.

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Yes they were!

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The Bush Years

Please elaborate. Are you saying we should all get dogs and give up Aggie football?

This is completely new information that has never been talked about before. We can't change our history (unless it is a statue) so we should never try to change our future.

Seamaster said:

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1982: 5-6
1983: 5-5-1
1984: 6-5
1985: 10-2
1986: 9-3
1987: 10-2
1988: 7-5 Sherrill 7 years Avg wins = 7.4

1989: 8-4
1990: 9-3-1
1991: 10-2
1992: 12-1
1993: 10-2
1994: 10-0-1
1995: 9-3
1996: 6-6
1997: 9-4
1998: 11-3
1999: 8-4
2000: 7-5
2001: 8-4
2002: 6-6 Slocum 14 years Avg wins = 8.8

2003: 4-8
2004: 7-5
2005: 5-6
2006: 9-4
2007: 7-6 Fran 5 years Avg wins = 6.4

2008: 4-8
2009: 6-7
2010: 9-4
2011: 7-6 Sherman 4 years Avg wins = 6.5

2012: 11-2
2013: 9-4
2014: 8-5
2015: 8-5
2016: 8-5
2017: 7-6 Sumlin 6 years Avg wins = 8.5

2018: 9-4 Jimbo Fisher
2019: 3-2....so far

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Let's quit firing coaches every 5-6 years and develop some culture of stability

ABATTBQ87 said:

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Seamaster said:

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1982: 5-6
1983: 5-5-1
1984: 6-5
1985: 10-2
1986: 9-3
1987: 10-2
1988: 7-5 Sherrill 7 years Avg wins = 7.4

1989: 8-4
1990: 9-3-1
1991: 10-2
1992: 12-1
1993: 10-2
1994: 10-0-1
1995: 9-3
1996: 6-6
1997: 9-4
1998: 11-3
1999: 8-4
2000: 7-5
2001: 8-4
2002: 6-6 Slocum 14 years Avg wins = 8.8

2003: 4-8
2004: 7-5
2005: 5-6
2006: 9-4
2007: 7-6 Fran 5 years Avg wins = 6.4

2008: 4-8
2009: 6-7
2010: 9-4
2011: 7-6 Sherman 4 years Avg wins = 6.5

2012: 11-2
2013: 9-4
2014: 8-5
2015: 8-5
2016: 8-5
2017: 7-6 Sumlin 6 years Avg wins = 8.5

2018: 9-4 Jimbo Fisher
2019: 3-2....so far

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Let's quit firing coaches every 5-6 years and develop some culture of stability

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Of that list, Sherrill was the only one that was let go too soon.

Slocum had 14 years, managed a single Big XII championship. Bowl record sucked. Record against ranked opponents sucked. OU and tu pushed us out of the top place in the region and we never had a chance at getting back.

Fran was here a year too long. Absolutely destroyed the program.

Sherman was a good ole boy network type of hire. Great talent evaluator, but his NFL coaching style didn't translate into the college game. Was never going to be more than average and everybody knew it.

Sumlin was given the keys and a fresh start in the SEC, hot as F out of the gates but the trend is pretty clear that we were going to continue to go downhill. Quit being a coach and left his assistants and players out to dry. He should have been gone after 2016.

It's not a matter of allowing coaches to stay long enough, we haven't done a good job at picking coaches that have the killer attitude and that have the drive to get to the top. We may have changed that with Fisher, time will tell if he still has that drive or if he's milking us for a retirement. I hope it's the former and not the latter.

I'm with you OP. But, for me, this is my 45th rebuilding season.

Arguably the modern era of Aggie Football traces to Bellard's recruiting of African American players coupled with the admission of non-regs as general students in the fall of 1974. The pre-Sherrill days you include are the same ones I experienced starting with matriculation in the fall of 1979. We had accepted a multitude of student section sportsmanship awards by then and it looked like we were going to keep employing safe, Texas coach hires that were "economical" until then Chairman of the Board and Dallas Cowboy owner H.R. "Bum" Bright targeted Michigan coach Glenn Edward "Bo" Schembechler. It seemed audacious and impossible. And Bo turned us down.

But then Bum led us to hire University of Pittsburgh coach Jackie Sherrill (and national champion HC protege of Johnny Majors.) Jackie started the Aggie version of the Terrible Towels and the 12th Man Kickoff Team. And he had a fire to win that Tom Wilsonkinda our Mike Sherman of the 70s and early 80slacked.

There were earlier hires like Bryant that stood out. And even the Fran hire was surprising in that sense (though those of us who remembered Fran from SWTSU and TCU MIGHT have rolled our eyes at the hire. Similarly with the Eric Hyman hire tbh.)

The only question with Fisher is if you believe he still has gas in the tank. Bo didn't. He won more including Big Ten championships but his best year was 1985 and was a 10-1-1 year. Everything else was at least two losses.

Jackie Sherrill had back-to-back-to-back 1-loss campaigns at then independent Pitt after taking over for Johnny Majors when the latter was hired by Tennessee after the consensus national championship campaign in 1976. This first three years illustrated the difficulty of winning at Texas A&M given rather inconsistent facilities and fan support financially. But remember it Pitt his WORST season was 8-3 with a Tangerine Bowl loss. (Yeah...independents had it relatively cushy, but Pitt regularly scheduled ND, Penn State, Florida, Florida Starr, Clemson and others.)

Sherrill did not complete a one-loss campaign at A&M but he chanted our game from three yards and a cloud of dust wishbone under Bellard to a more airworthy but ineffective Wilson offense to a throw-frequently QB-centric offense.

Fisher might be the closes of the A&M head coaches in philosophy to Sherrill both in previous accomplishments and coaching approach. And even emphasizes defense and supports recruiting good players in all three phases of the game.

We have to wait longer to see how this turns out. But I'm far more optimistic than pessimistic on Jimbo.

And Sharp gave him a deal that ensures he gets to at least five years...

Seamaster said:

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Yet managed to not win the big one. And were caught paying players.

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And we played ridiculously easy schedules.

More reasons I don't get the Sumlin hate. 2012-2017 stretch was a relative bright spot in the history of Aggie football, especially considering the jump in competition we faced compared to the SWC days. Yet most here act like he set the program back decades.

RC lost only four, count 'em four times at Kyle during the entire '90s

Things would be different if we spent money under Slocum. We gave him no resources.

Seamaster said:

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In my lifetime (but the same is true for whenever you were born):

1980: 4-7
1981: 7-5
1982: 5-6
1983: 5-5-1
1984: 6-5
1985: 10-2
1986: 9-3
1987: 10-2
1988: 7-5
1989: 8-4
1990: 9-3-1
1991: 10-2
1992: 12-1
1993: 10-2
1994: 10-0-1
1995: 9-3
1996: 6-6
1997: 9-4
1998: 11-3
1999: 8-4
2000: 7-5
2001: 8-4
2002: 6-6
2003: 4-8
2004: 7-5
2005: 5-6
2006: 9-4
2007: 7-6
2008: 4-8
2009: 6-7
2010: 9-4
2011: 7-6
2012: 11-2
2013: 9-4
2014: 8-5
2015: 8-5
2016: 8-5
2017: 7-6
2018: 9-4
2019: 3-2....so far

Sigh.

High points. Well, 6 SWC Championships. So that's nice. 1 Big 12 Championship. One Heisman Trophy.

Other than that? Mediocre. The Aggies usually beat the teams they're supposed to beat (directional schools) and normally lose to teams they're not favored to beat (Clemson, Bama etc).

We're not that good. Compare the past 39 years to OU, Texas, LSU, Alabama etc. A&M is basically Texas Tech.

Get used to it Ags. I don't see this changing anytime soon.

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Over 1980-2018, tu has avg 1/2 a win a season more than we have. And they've played most of their games in the sucky big-12.

If your life started in 1980, you missed 85-98 or so, our best years. And tu played the same sucky conference we did back then.

TyperWoods said:

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Seamaster said:

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In my lifetime (but the same is true for whenever you were born):

1980: 4-7
1981: 7-5
1982: 5-6
1983: 5-5-1
1984: 6-5
1985: 10-2
1986: 9-3
1987: 10-2
1988: 7-5
1989: 8-4
1990: 9-3-1
1991: 10-2
1992: 12-1
1993: 10-2
1994: 10-0-1
1995: 9-3
1996: 6-6
1997: 9-4
1998: 11-3
1999: 8-4
2000: 7-5
2001: 8-4
2002: 6-6
2003: 4-8
2004: 7-5
2005: 5-6
2006: 9-4
2007: 7-6
2008: 4-8
2009: 6-7
2010: 9-4
2011: 7-6
2012: 11-2
2013: 9-4
2014: 8-5
2015: 8-5
2016: 8-5
2017: 7-6
2018: 9-4
2019: 3-2....so far

Sigh.

High points. Well, 6 SWC Championships. So that's nice. 1 Big 12 Championship. One Heisman Trophy.

Other than that? Mediocre. The Aggies usually beat the teams they're supposed to beat (directional schools) and normally lose to teams they're not favored to beat (Clemson, Bama etc).

We're not that good. Compare the past 39 years to OU, Texas, LSU, Alabama etc. A&M is basically Texas Tech.

Get used to it Ags. I don't see this changing anytime soon.

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Over 1980-2018, tu has avg 1/2 a win a season more than we have. And they've played most of their games in the sucky big-12.

If your life started in 1980, you missed 85-98 or so, our best years. And tu played the same sucky conference we did back then.

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What did we win, in our "best years"?
Some SWC titles, maybe? Certainly no hardware of note....
Major bowl wins? Not really....depends on "major".
And those were our "best years"......yikes......

And yet we think we should be overnight world beaters? We're only "a coach away!", because we're "loaded with PLENTY of talent!"

We're further away than we ever wanna acknowledge.
Let's let this championship level coach do what he was brought here to do.
And more importantly, let's allow him the time to do it. Albeit while in THE toughest division of THE best conference in all of CFB....

An entire thread devoted to sh**ing on the program and 40 years of its history....

Bravo, OP.

Bravo.

Seamaster said:

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In my lifetime (but the same is true for whenever you were born):

1980: 4-7
1981: 7-5
1982: 5-6
1983: 5-5-1
1984: 6-5
1985: 10-2
1986: 9-3
1987: 10-2
1988: 7-5
1989: 8-4
1990: 9-3-1
1991: 10-2
1992: 12-1
1993: 10-2
1994: 10-0-1
1995: 9-3
1996: 6-6
1997: 9-4
1998: 11-3
1999: 8-4
2000: 7-5
2001: 8-4
2002: 6-6
2003: 4-8
2004: 7-5
2005: 5-6
2006: 9-4
2007: 7-6
2008: 4-8
2009: 6-7
2010: 9-4
2011: 7-6
2012: 11-2
2013: 9-4
2014: 8-5
2015: 8-5
2016: 8-5
2017: 7-6
2018: 9-4
2019: 3-2....so far

Sigh.

High points. Well, 6 SWC Championships. So that's nice. 1 Big 12 Championship. One Heisman Trophy.

Other than that? Mediocre. The Aggies usually beat the teams they're supposed to beat (directional schools) and normally lose to teams they're not favored to beat (Clemson, Bama etc).

We're not that good. Compare the past 39 years to OU, Texas, LSU, Alabama etc. A&M is basically Texas Tech.

Get used to it Ags. I don't see this changing anytime soon.

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In my life time start at 1958, with the exception of a few Sherril years, some were much worse.

So what's the point of the OP? It's that we shouldn't expect things to be different. That right there is just darn near a biblical generation (40 years is after all how long the Israelites wandered the desert) of just middling success.

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RC lost only four, count 'em four times at Kyle during the entire '90s

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Then the 2000s came and he lost SEVEN times at Kyle in 3 years.

Just shut the program down. Seriously. We will dominate in men's soccer.

TxAg76 said:

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TyperWoods said:

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Seamaster said:

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In my lifetime (but the same is true for whenever you were born):

1980: 4-7
1981: 7-5
1982: 5-6
1983: 5-5-1
1984: 6-5
1985: 10-2
1986: 9-3
1987: 10-2
1988: 7-5
1989: 8-4
1990: 9-3-1
1991: 10-2
1992: 12-1
1993: 10-2
1994: 10-0-1
1995: 9-3
1996: 6-6
1997: 9-4
1998: 11-3
1999: 8-4
2000: 7-5
2001: 8-4
2002: 6-6
2003: 4-8
2004: 7-5
2005: 5-6
2006: 9-4
2007: 7-6
2008: 4-8
2009: 6-7
2010: 9-4
2011: 7-6
2012: 11-2
2013: 9-4
2014: 8-5
2015: 8-5
2016: 8-5
2017: 7-6
2018: 9-4
2019: 3-2....so far

Sigh.

High points. Well, 6 SWC Championships. So that's nice. 1 Big 12 Championship. One Heisman Trophy.

Other than that? Mediocre. The Aggies usually beat the teams they're supposed to beat (directional schools) and normally lose to teams they're not favored to beat (Clemson, Bama etc).

We're not that good. Compare the past 39 years to OU, Texas, LSU, Alabama etc. A&M is basically Texas Tech.

Get used to it Ags. I don't see this changing anytime soon.

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Over 1980-2018, tu has avg 1/2 a win a season more than we have. And they've played most of their games in the sucky big-12.

If your life started in 1980, you missed 85-98 or so, our best years. And tu played the same sucky conference we did back then.

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What did we win, in our "best years"?
Some SWC titles, maybe? Certainly no hardware of note....
Major bowl wins? Not really....depends on "major".
And those were our "best years"......yikes......

And yet we think we should be overnight world beaters? We're only "a coach away!", because we're "loaded with PLENTY of talent!"

We're further away than we ever wanna acknowledge.
Let's let this championship level coach do what he was brought here to do.
And more importantly, let's allow him the time to do it. Albeit while in THE toughest division of THE best conference in all of CFB....

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Point was tu hasn't been that much better. They have 1 NC since 80. Earlier, they count 1 NC in which they lost their f'n bowl game after it was given to them.

I'm all for letting Jimbo do his thing. Jackie struggled for 3 seasons before we hit our stride.

But stop it with the "we always suck" BS. F'n 2%ers.....

Why don't you go find how many losing seasons we've had in the modern era (since '73) and get back to us OP.

Next task go see how many other schools have fewer than ten losing seasons AND ten or more 10+ wining seasons in that same time span.

TyperWoods said:

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TxAg76 said:

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TyperWoods said:

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Seamaster said:

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In my lifetime (but the same is true for whenever you were born):

1980: 4-7
1981: 7-5
1982: 5-6
1983: 5-5-1
1984: 6-5
1985: 10-2
1986: 9-3
1987: 10-2
1988: 7-5
1989: 8-4
1990: 9-3-1
1991: 10-2
1992: 12-1
1993: 10-2
1994: 10-0-1
1995: 9-3
1996: 6-6
1997: 9-4
1998: 11-3
1999: 8-4
2000: 7-5
2001: 8-4
2002: 6-6
2003: 4-8
2004: 7-5
2005: 5-6
2006: 9-4
2007: 7-6
2008: 4-8
2009: 6-7
2010: 9-4
2011: 7-6
2012: 11-2
2013: 9-4
2014: 8-5
2015: 8-5
2016: 8-5
2017: 7-6
2018: 9-4
2019: 3-2....so far

Sigh.

High points. Well, 6 SWC Championships. So that's nice. 1 Big 12 Championship. One Heisman Trophy.

Other than that? Mediocre. The Aggies usually beat the teams they're supposed to beat (directional schools) and normally lose to teams they're not favored to beat (Clemson, Bama etc).

We're not that good. Compare the past 39 years to OU, Texas, LSU, Alabama etc. A&M is basically Texas Tech.

Get used to it Ags. I don't see this changing anytime soon.

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Over 1980-2018, tu has avg 1/2 a win a season more than we have. And they've played most of their games in the sucky big-12.

If your life started in 1980, you missed 85-98 or so, our best years. And tu played the same sucky conference we did back then.

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What did we win, in our "best years"?
Some SWC titles, maybe? Certainly no hardware of note....
Major bowl wins? Not really....depends on "major".
And those were our "best years"......yikes......

And yet we think we should be overnight world beaters? We're only "a coach away!", because we're "loaded with PLENTY of talent!"

We're further away than we ever wanna acknowledge.
Let's let this championship level coach do what he was brought here to do.
And more importantly, let's allow him the time to do it. Albeit while in THE toughest division of THE best conference in all of CFB....

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Point was tu hasn't been that much better. They have 1 NC since 80. Earlier, they count 1 NC in which they lost their f'n bowl game after it was given to them.

I'm all for letting Jimbo do his thing. Jackie struggled for 3 seasons before we hit our stride.

But stop it with the "we always suck" BS. F'n 2%ers.....

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Never said we always suck.
Mostly pointing out that our "best years" didn't really yield much, and how it's curious that some think we should be 1 or 2 years from multiple nattys, and we just need the "right coach".

We are where we are right now. Regardless of history, the road from right now to championship level is just as long, and just as steep, regardless of history.

And no matter what, I'll never use t.u. as a measuring stick for how good/bad we may be doing.
Fluck all things t.u.

MondayMorningQB said:

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Why don't you go find how many losing seasons we've had in the modern era (since '73) and get back to us OP.

Next task go see how many other schools have fewer than ten losing seasons AND ten or more 10+ wining seasons in that same time span.

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How about you just tell us the answer . . .

Two Heisman trophy winners, John David Crow and Johnny...just be factually correct.

Over the last 50 years TAMU has a .602 winning percentage and a .405 bowl game winning percentage.

TAMU ranks 32 behind powerhouse programs like Harvard, Yale, Wittenberg, St Johns (Minn), Grambling, N Dakota State, Princeton, Mt Union, Boise State and Wisconsin-Whitewater (per an August 2019 article by ESPN)

FriscoKid said:

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The 90's were fun.

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Also, the uniforms weren't gay, the music was better and the women were hotter.

(Actually the women our probably equally as hot)

Program A
Overall Record: 749-459-45 (.616)
Conference Titles: 24
National Championships: 3
Bowl Games: 44

Program B
Overall Record: 744-483-48 (.602)
Conference Titles: 18
National Championships: 3
Bowl Games: 40

Team A is the defending national champion, Team B is a little old farm college in Texas. You never know when a program will eventually reach the summit. We're hoping Jimbo gets us there but if it he doesn't get it done, don't give up hope.

We are upper middle class but the kids cry because we don't have a boat

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We are upper middle class but the kids cry because we don't have a boat

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Boats are cool. They're ***** magnets. I want a boat, too.

This is still America, right? Aim high, work hard, reap results? You know, America?

I thought I heard we are getting a boat. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/article/A-M-Galveston-seeks-bigger-ship-for-mariners-in-13018643.php