Apparently his people are talking to the AAF, and if he does go to the Alliance, SA has first dibs:

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I believe there are people on here who are rooting for him to fail. Just look at any thread about JFF and you'll see the same core of people start spouting off about how he sucks now, a bum, and will never amount to anything. It's never anything positive.

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I think those people got that way because they are pissed at him for squandering all of his talent and opportunities, talent and opportunities that almost all of us don't have but would be so thankful if we did.

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And it's his to squander. Would they say the same about their child if they went to Harvard Law and decided to run a bar in the Caribbean after graduation rather than practice law?

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Just because it's his to squander doesn't mean people should agree with it

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True, but it doesn't justify him being called a loser.

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I believe there are people on here who are rooting for him to fail. Just look at any thread about JFF and you'll see the same core of people start spouting off about how he sucks now, a bum, and will never amount to anything. It's never anything positive.

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I think those people got that way because they are pissed at him for squandering all of his talent and opportunities, talent and opportunities that almost all of us don't have but would be so thankful if we did.

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And it's his to squander. Would they say the same about their child if they went to Harvard Law and decided to run a bar in the Caribbean after graduation rather than practice law?

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Well yeah, if he opened two bars and both of them failed.

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What evidence is there that he has made a change for the better?

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He came out and admitted he had a problem and took the steps to fix it. He's been quiet every since. When was the last time you've seen reports of him partying it up? With the lightning rod he is for the media, you'll never convince me TMZ is holding a video of him drinking and snorting coke off a stripper in South Beach and not releasing it.

He's also owned the fact that he's not in the NFL because of his decisions and his alone. He's never tried to place blame on others and deny he had anything to do with it. To me, there's respect to be given for that, especially in the world we live in today where everybody is a victim.

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What you are talking about is sobriety which entitles every person to enjoy a full and productive life. What it does not entitle you to is an professional football career.

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I've never said he is entitled to play football. My issue is people immediately jumping to conclusions that it's drugs or him doing what he did several years ago without any evidence. Nothing in the recent past or the present points to that being the case. Does that mean that it's not? No.

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If you read my comments I have not speculated once that he has substance abuse issues. I was merely responding to your comments. You also seem to say that people are speculating and don't know what is going on with him. Then you turn around and paint this picture of recovery. Not being on TMZ is not the standard for cleaning up your life. I am only responding to exactly what is being reported, and the news is a steady stream of erratic behavior. Getting banned from the CFL is probably just another data point in a long stream of career setbacks.

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I believe there are people on here who are rooting for him to fail. Just look at any thread about JFF and you'll see the same core of people start spouting off about how he sucks now, a bum, and will never amount to anything. It's never anything positive.

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I think those people got that way because they are pissed at him for squandering all of his talent and opportunities, talent and opportunities that almost all of us don't have but would be so thankful if we did.

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And it's his to squander. Would they say the same about their child if they went to Harvard Law and decided to run a bar in the Caribbean after graduation rather than practice law?

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It's funny that in your mind graduating from Harvard and running a bar is the same thing. Here is a better analogy if you want to use education as a substitution for athletics. Kid went to Stanford, had a couple of minor legal issues but was one of the top students ever. Decided to go to Harvard law school, where he was kicked out immediately and the rumor was that he was a head case can could not cut it professionally as a law student. Picked up where he left off in a law school in Canada and did something that pissed them off so bad that he was banned from ever attending school in the entire country of Canada. Now the kid is trying to land a spot in community college in his hometown. I honestly hope he gets his law degree but I'm also not going to lose any sleep over it.

I support Johnny 100%. All the hate on here comes across as self loathing, negative Nancy tripe.

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I believe there are people on here who are rooting for him to fail. Just look at any thread about JFF and you'll see the same core of people start spouting off about how he sucks now, a bum, and will never amount to anything. It's never anything positive.

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I think those people got that way because they are pissed at him for squandering all of his talent and opportunities, talent and opportunities that almost all of us don't have but would be so thankful if we did.

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And it's his to squander. Would they say the same about their child if they went to Harvard Law and decided to run a bar in the Caribbean after graduation rather than practice law?

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Just because it's his to squander doesn't mean people should agree with it

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True, but it doesn't justify him being called a loser.

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I would say squandering two opportunities to be a pro QB and make millions of dollars because he loves to party and not follow the guidelines set for him do justify calling him a loser.

But he's the Heisman winning QB from Texas A&M and is beyond reproach. I get it now.

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I believe there are people on here who are rooting for him to fail. Just look at any thread about JFF and you'll see the same core of people start spouting off about how he sucks now, a bum, and will never amount to anything. It's never anything positive.

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I think those people got that way because they are pissed at him for squandering all of his talent and opportunities, talent and opportunities that almost all of us don't have but would be so thankful if we did.

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And it's his to squander. Would they say the same about their child if they went to Harvard Law and decided to run a bar in the Caribbean after graduation rather than practice law?

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Just because it's his to squander doesn't mean people should agree with it

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True, but it doesn't justify him being called a loser.

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I would say squandering two opportunities to be a pro QB and make millions of dollars because he loves to party and not follow the guidelines set for him do justify calling him a loser.

But he's the Heisman winning QB from Texas A&M and is beyond reproach. I get it now.

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Until I know the facts of his release I am not going to judge him. I like to know the whys before I say crap to avoid unnecessary crap, but obviously you and others don't care about judging, and convicting without evidence.

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What evidence is there that he has made a change for the better?

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He came out and admitted he had a problem and took the steps to fix it. He's been quiet every since. When was the last time you've seen reports of him partying it up? With the lightning rod he is for the media, you'll never convince me TMZ is holding a video of him drinking and snorting coke off a stripper in South Beach and not releasing it.

He's also owned the fact that he's not in the NFL because of his decisions and his alone. He's never tried to place blame on others and deny he had anything to do with it. To me, there's respect to be given for that, especially in the world we live in today where everybody is a victim.

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What you are talking about is sobriety which entitles every person to enjoy a full and productive life. What it does not entitle you to is an professional football career.

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I've never said he is entitled to play football. My issue is people immediately jumping to conclusions that it's drugs or him doing what he did several years ago without any evidence. Nothing in the recent past or the present points to that being the case. Does that mean that it's not? No.

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If you read my comments I have not speculated once that he has substance abuse issues. I was merely responding to your comments. You also seem to say that people are speculating and don't know what is going on with him. Then you turn around and paint this picture of recovery. Not being on TMZ is not the standard for cleaning up your life. I am only responding to exactly what is being reported, and the news is a steady stream of erratic behavior. Getting banned from the CFL is probably just another data point in a long stream of career setbacks.

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If you read my comments, I have not stated you directly said anything about his past issues...it's been addressing a broader audience.

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You also seem to say that people are speculating and don't know what is going on with him. Then you turn around and paint this picture of recovery. Not being on TMZ is not the standard for cleaning up your life.

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If you honestly believe that he's still partying and doing drugs like he did in the past but the news just decided not to cover it, there's no help for you. He's publicly stated he's changed and nothing he has done or that has been reported on him says that is not the case. Until there's proof, I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt. Others don't.

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I am only responding to exactly what is being reported, and the news is a steady stream of erratic behavior. Getting banned from the CFL is probably just another data point in a long stream of career setbacks.

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So, where's the reports (current) of him partying or that his release from the CFL has anything to do with drugs, substance abuse, etc?

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I believe there are people on here who are rooting for him to fail. Just look at any thread about JFF and you'll see the same core of people start spouting off about how he sucks now, a bum, and will never amount to anything. It's never anything positive.

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I think those people got that way because they are pissed at him for squandering all of his talent and opportunities, talent and opportunities that almost all of us don't have but would be so thankful if we did.

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And it's his to squander. Would they say the same about their child if they went to Harvard Law and decided to run a bar in the Caribbean after graduation rather than practice law?

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It's funny that in your mind graduating from Harvard and running a bar is the same thing. Here is a better analogy if you want to use education as a substitution for athletics. Kid went to Stanford, had a couple of minor legal issues but was one of the top students ever. Decided to go to Harvard law school, where he was kicked out immediately and the rumor was that he was a head case can could not cut it professionally as a law student. Picked up where he left off in a law school in Canada and did something that pissed them off so bad that he was banned from ever attending school in the entire country of Canada. Now the kid is trying to land a spot in community college in his hometown. I honestly hope he gets his law degree but I'm also not going to lose any sleep over it.

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Squandering an opportunity because of your personal choices is the same if you choose to run a bar over Big Law life and the potential for 7-figure earnings or choosing partying over the NFL and multi-year contracts. Multiple failures at it is meaningless.

You're equating school with a job. Call me when Johnny gets kicked out of school.

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I believe there are people on here who are rooting for him to fail. Just look at any thread about JFF and you'll see the same core of people start spouting off about how he sucks now, a bum, and will never amount to anything. It's never anything positive.

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I think those people got that way because they are pissed at him for squandering all of his talent and opportunities, talent and opportunities that almost all of us don't have but would be so thankful if we did.

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And it's his to squander. Would they say the same about their child if they went to Harvard Law and decided to run a bar in the Caribbean after graduation rather than practice law?

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Just because it's his to squander doesn't mean people should agree with it

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True, but it doesn't justify him being called a loser.

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I would say squandering two opportunities to be a pro QB and make millions of dollars because he loves to party and not follow the guidelines set for him do justify calling him a loser.

But he's the Heisman winning QB from Texas A&M and is beyond reproach. I get it now.

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Until I make it to the top of my profession, I won't call anybody who made it to theirs a loser. They may have not been able to stay there or made the choice to leave, but they accomplished more in their profession than I have in mine. Chances are, the same is true for you.

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I believe there are people on here who are rooting for him to fail. Just look at any thread about JFF and you'll see the same core of people start spouting off about how he sucks now, a bum, and will never amount to anything. It's never anything positive.

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I think those people got that way because they are pissed at him for squandering all of his talent and opportunities, talent and opportunities that almost all of us don't have but would be so thankful if we did.

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And it's his to squander. Would they say the same about their child if they went to Harvard Law and decided to run a bar in the Caribbean after graduation rather than practice law?

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It's funny that in your mind graduating from Harvard and running a bar is the same thing. Here is a better analogy if you want to use education as a substitution for athletics. Kid went to Stanford, had a couple of minor legal issues but was one of the top students ever. Decided to go to Harvard law school, where he was kicked out immediately and the rumor was that he was a head case can could not cut it professionally as a law student. Picked up where he left off in a law school in Canada and did something that pissed them off so bad that he was banned from ever attending school in the entire country of Canada. Now the kid is trying to land a spot in community college in his hometown. I honestly hope he gets his law degree but I'm also not going to lose any sleep over it.

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Squandering an opportunity because of your personal choices is the same if you choose to run a bar over Big Law life and the potential for 7-figure earnings or choosing partying over the NFL and multi-year contracts. Multiple failures at it is meaningless.

You're equating school with a job. Call me when Johnny gets kicked out of school.

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It is absolutely not the same. Owning a bar regardless of where you went to school is a personal choice. Getting run out of professional football leagues because of personal issues is something different. It's not like Manziel decided that he was tired of playing for the Browns. What is happening (in depressingly slow motion) is that professional football is deciding that they have had enough of him. Can you see the difference?

Also I would not characterize what he is doing as failing at football. What he is doing is not showing up. There is 100% more dignity in failing than what he is currently doing. The difference between these two things is where all the negativity is coming from.

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I believe there are people on here who are rooting for him to fail. Just look at any thread about JFF and you'll see the same core of people start spouting off about how he sucks now, a bum, and will never amount to anything. It's never anything positive.

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I think those people got that way because they are pissed at him for squandering all of his talent and opportunities, talent and opportunities that almost all of us don't have but would be so thankful if we did.

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And it's his to squander. Would they say the same about their child if they went to Harvard Law and decided to run a bar in the Caribbean after graduation rather than practice law?

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It's funny that in your mind graduating from Harvard and running a bar is the same thing. Here is a better analogy if you want to use education as a substitution for athletics. Kid went to Stanford, had a couple of minor legal issues but was one of the top students ever. Decided to go to Harvard law school, where he was kicked out immediately and the rumor was that he was a head case can could not cut it professionally as a law student. Picked up where he left off in a law school in Canada and did something that pissed them off so bad that he was banned from ever attending school in the entire country of Canada. Now the kid is trying to land a spot in community college in his hometown. I honestly hope he gets his law degree but I'm also not going to lose any sleep over it.

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Squandering an opportunity because of your personal choices is the same if you choose to run a bar over Big Law life and the potential for 7-figure earnings or choosing partying over the NFL and multi-year contracts. Multiple failures at it is meaningless.

You're equating school with a job. Call me when Johnny gets kicked out of school.

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It is absolutely not the same. Owning a bar regardless of where you went to school is a personal choice. Getting run out of professional football leagues because of personal issues is something different. It's not like Manziel decided that he was tired of playing for the Browns. What is happening (in depressingly slow motion) is that professional football is deciding that they have had enough of him. Can you see the difference?

Also I would not characterize what he is doing as failing at football. What he is doing is not showing up. There is 100% more dignity in failing that what he is currently doing. The difference between these two things is where all the negativity is coming from.

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The personal choice you're not seeing is his choice to party, drink, and put God knows what into his body. He made the choice that doing that was more important than doing what was necessary to stay in the NFL. Yeah, the NFL got tired of it and he was cut, but it wasn't like he was putting 100% into it and just wasn't good enough (say like Tebow). So yeah, they are the same...a choice was made. It really is that simple.

I agree that there's more dignity at giving it your all and failing vs what happened to him. Doesn't mean the dude is a failure and that every move throughout his career (be it football or something else) means people are justified in piling on him about being a loser of a failure before the facts are known.

I have to stop but you really don't get how wrongheaded your argument is. Here is why it struck a chord with me. I literally know someone who went to Yale law school and left a prestigious job to become a coach. I admire this person greatly. I just feel bad for JFF. Big difference.

Maybe there is a tattoo limit in the CFL?

If Johnny ever still had a love of the game after college, it didnt show in his work ethic. I believe he just lost what was necessary to continue at a high level. I just dont think the hunger was there, and if any remained, it wasnt enough to sustain his mind to continue. He just had it too easy leading up to his time after A&M. I always wanted to believe he would succeed but it just wasnt meant to be.

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I have to stop but you really don't get how wrongheaded your argument is. Here is why it struck a chord with me. I literally know someone who went to Yale law school and left a prestigious job to become a coach. I admire this person greatly. I just feel bad for JFF. Big difference.

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The fact remains that the choice was made. Much like you need a special gift/ability to become a 1st round draft pick in the NFL, you need a special gift/ability to make it into Yale Law. There are thousands of kids growing up right now who dream of going to the NFL. There are also thousands of kids who dream of going to YLS. Only a very small fraction have the ability to actually make it to either. I can walk across the campus of Sam Houston or SFA and not go 10 feet without running into a potential teacher/coach, but will have a hard time finding somebody who has what it takes to be accepted into the best law school in the world. Some will say your buddy squandered the opportunity he had because he achieved what many dream of (elite law school = elite job). You see it different...he made a choice. It doesn't mean he's a loser or a failure, like so many on here label Manziel with every little thing that happens.

I'm pretty sure his opportunities to make money playing football in the US are way better than in Canada.

Also, 3 down football sucks and isn't football.

Johnny posting on his Instagram account showing he's working out again with his QB coach.

I don't know how to post the link.

That made me LOL...gotta admit

I tried to watch the CFL. It sucked.

The bottom line is it's not really about whether Johny wants to work out with his QB coach, attend practice, learn plays, or attend meetings. Somewhere along the way he decided he didn't want to do those things, and the NFL and CFL have decided they are done with him.

If he wants to play ball, he will learn to attend meetings, attend practice, learn the plays, etc. - bascially be a football player, then he might get another chance in the AAF or XFL. He has had more chances than most people.

He's run out of places to go. He should have bitten the bullet and made it work in the CFL. It makes me think that he can't.

I've pulled for him as hard as anybody, and don't think I've ever posted about him in way that wasn't hopefully positive.

Johnny fatigue has finally set in. Whatever magic he had has atrophied. The CFL gave him a chance, and he gave them little in return.

Good luck to him. My expectations have dropped to nothing. I would love for him to prove me a wrong, but, well, make your own predictions about that...

JFF is our VY

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Nope. If your rating just the player, JFF won the Heisman.

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Nope. If your rating just the player, JFF won the Heisman.

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What about a national championship?

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At least JFF didn't score single digit on the Wonderlic.

Looks like he was in Houston.

I'm trying to figure out the background. Can't figure out where in Houston he may be... anyone???

Bless Him Lord. Best player to ever set foot on Kyle Field ever. Can you say WINNER! Go Johnny Go !!

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Bless Him Lord. Best player to ever set foot on Kyle Field ever. Can you say WINNER! Go Johnny Go !!

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Absolutely! Gig'em Johnny!

Didn't the CFL say they were still open to his returning ? Not that he would . That 3 downs is a killer .

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Didn't the CFL say they were still open to his returning ? Not that he would . That 3 downs is a killer .

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Nope. They basically banned him from coming back.

He would have made several hundred thousand this year in the CFL, but in the AAF he will make 60k, a fraction of what he would have made in the CFL. Can't see how that is more desireable.

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He would have made several hundred thousand this year in the CFL, but in the AAF he will make 60k, a fraction of what he would have made in the CFL. Can't see how that is more desireable.

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It has been said several times.

HE DOES NOT NEED MONEY.