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N.C. State's leading tackler plans to sit out Gator Bowl against Texas A&M

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Ag4coal
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PineywoodsAg said:

Ag4coal said:

Onionman said:

Bockaneer said:

Bowls are like extra practice- early spring if you will... Let them sit and see what the new talent can do
That's ridiculous.

Why even play any game in the season then???





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The season is obviously a different beast.
Apparently not.


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And we are already starting to see more guys sit out seasons, or half seasons. It will increase as the years go along and I don't blame them one bit.




Thanks for including the entire quote
30wedge
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Ag4coal said:

30wedge said:

decent looking Ag said:

30wedge said:

They need some skin in the game so to speak. If they sit out and do make it to the NFL, they should have to pay back some of their scholarship.


How many millions of dollars do universities make off of these kids without them ever seeing a penny?
Four years of a pampered lifestyle, room and board and books, special accommodations, tutoring, and more, all for a limited amount of effort is more than enough pennies.


Know how I know you didn't play D1 football? I'm not saying they aren't taken care of on average, but for the true studs, it's pennies compared to what they are earning for the university and what that same "limited amount of effort" will make them when they leave.
Yeah, same for a beginning employee at Exxon versus when he or she has 20 or 30 years, they make more.

So, if the university athletic department at a university lost money, should the players have to help fund the shortfall?

Does this "sharing in the wealth" also apply in the normal work world, that is are those who "work" (play) for a company (university) entitled to more than what they agree to take in exchange for their effort?
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I bet draft grades do not arrive until the end of the regular season. If they arrived earlier, I bet more players would sit the last few games.
Ag4coal
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30wedge said:

Ag4coal said:

30wedge said:

decent looking Ag said:

30wedge said:

They need some skin in the game so to speak. If they sit out and do make it to the NFL, they should have to pay back some of their scholarship.


How many millions of dollars do universities make off of these kids without them ever seeing a penny?
Four years of a pampered lifestyle, room and board and books, special accommodations, tutoring, and more, all for a limited amount of effort is more than enough pennies.


Know how I know you didn't play D1 football? I'm not saying they aren't taken care of on average, but for the true studs, it's pennies compared to what they are earning for the university and what that same "limited amount of effort" will make them when they leave.
Yeah, same for a beginning employee at Exxon versus when he or she has 20 or 30 years, they make more.

So, if the university athletic department at a university lost money, should the players have to help fund the shortfall?

Does this "sharing in the wealth" also apply in the normal work world, that is are those who "work" (play) for a company (university) entitled to more than what they agree to take in exchange for their effort?


College sports =/= free market economy. These dudes are forced to play at least 3 years, and essentially fund almost the entire athletic budget at most major universities. Without football, most athletic departments fold. So any "shortfall" is due to title IX, not their effort.

They also aren't "agreeing" to ****, anymore than a 3 year old "agrees" to the rules set forth by their parents. They don't get much choice, do they? Sure, they could theoretically sit out for 3 years before going pro, but that's no more realistic than said 3 year old getting their own apartment, job, etc.

And any comparison to a 20-30 year career is exceedingly dumb. These guys get 3-4 years to prove they are worth MILLIONS!!! No Exxon employee has a comparable situation.

And if an Exxon employee did get hurt and removed them from their job forever, what do they get? Work comp (or disability) to the tune of 60% of their salary forever (if they can no longer do their job or a comparable one). How many college players are offered 60% of a base NFL salary for even a year, much less an average length of nfl career? Instead, if a top prospect tears up a knee, or worse, they will get a drastically smaller signing bonus, salary, and total number of years on a contract because they were forced to play in a league that never really puts a dime in their pocket, if they get a contract at all.

Terrible analogies all around.
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wbt5845 said:

decent looking Ag said:

30wedge said:

They need some skin in the game so to speak. If they sit out and do make it to the NFL, they should have to pay back some of their scholarship.


How many millions of dollars do universities make off of these kids without them ever seeing a penny?
When you look at the benefits the kid receives from the school vs. the number of hours of work the kid puts in to play his sport - he would do better flipping burgers at McDonalds.

So yeah the kid has no incentive to play in a glorified exhibition game that might endanger his ability to support his family for years to come. It's a no brainer, actually.


Such bs!!! If he worked at McDonald he would have tons of debt coming out of college.

Free degree from a great university for playing football, most of these players wouldn't be able to get in if not because of football, so I would say they owe a lot to the university!
BanderaAg956
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wbt5845 said:

He's not afraid - just smart.


It is smart for them to be afraid!
screw-tu
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Can you imagine Jack Lambert, Ronnie Lott, or Mike Singletary pulling this s**t?
wolf1ibm
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NC State fan here - Pratt suffered a knee injury in the loss at Clemson on Oct. 20 but played in five of the final six regular-season games missing the UNC game completely on Thanksgiving weekend. I'd be willing to bet that if he didn't already have the gimpy knee he'd play in the Gator Bowl.
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Didn't run through the whole thread, but not sure if it's been said. NC State had the second most drafted last year behind Alabama. They stand to have close to the same number drafted this year. Granted I live in NC now, but there seems to be a real lack of understanding of who we are playing. This NC State team isn't as good as they were last years, but they are very talented. We should beat them due to their attrition, but to take them lightly is a mistake. At one point last year they had 4 starting QBs in the nfl..... but Carry on
Agsuffering@bulaw
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WilfIBM:

Question on defensive style. Does your defense play a lot of cover 3/4? That is what the stats seem to suggest.

If so, why?
Agsuffering@bulaw
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Such bs!!! If he worked at McDonald he would have tons of debt coming out of college.

Free degree from a great university for playing football, most of these players wouldn't be able to get in if not because of football, so I would say they owe a lot to the university!

In a free market, the good FBS players would be able to get far better deals than what they get right now. The issue is that there is no free market. The NCAA is a cartel. Most of us find that un-American. Most of us find that communistic and exploitative.
wolf1ibm
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Agsuffering@bulaw

We mix up coverage but more press than anything and tend to sell out against the run which puts a lot of pressure on the DBs.
PineywoodsAg
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Agsuffering@bulaw said:

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Such bs!!! If he worked at McDonald he would have tons of debt coming out of college.

Free degree from a great university for playing football, most of these players wouldn't be able to get in if not because of football, so I would say they owe a lot to the university!

In a free market, the good FBS players would be able to get far better deals than what they get right now. The issue is that there is no free market. The NCAA is a cartel. Most of us find that un-American. Most of us find that communistic and exploitative.
The truth is that without entities like the NCAA or NFL , then there simply is no market value for good FBS players. It's not like the players are forced to join with either.
 
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