N.C. State's leading tackler plans to sit out Gator Bowl against Texas A&M
First it was the WR now its the starting LB.
First it was the WR now its the starting LB.
N.C. State's leading tackler plans to sit out Gator Bowl against Texas A&M
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Wow. That says a lot when the other team's best players are afraid we might hurt them in a bowl game.
He's not afraid - just smart.
Excellent. Next Wolf scared to ruin their draft status?
Line forms to the right.........
Line forms to the right.........
I had no idea NC State was so overflowing with NFL-caliber talent!
This is a bad trend in my opinion. I understand why players feel that way, but, c'mon, you're still a vital part of the NC State team until the game is over.
Yeah, it feels weird to be okay with guys bailing on the other, non-NFL teammates on the roster. I can also see why guys would look at a horrific bowl injury like Jake Butt in a "meaningless" bowl game and want to prioritize their chances to make life changing money.
Maybe the bowls should provide a free Lloyd's of London insurance policy to players identified with NFL talent.
(half serious half joking)
(half serious half joking)
Seven and three are ten, not only now, but forever. There has never been a time when seven and three were not ten, nor will there ever be a time when they are not ten. Therefore, I have said that the truth of number is incorruptible and common to all who think. — St. Augustine
I'm not sure how long this will last. GMs immediately find out who the me guys are. One of the more difficult things to determine as a GM are what is this individuals motivation level going to be when he is a millionaire and has eff you money?
I sell high risk insurance with Lloyds and can assure you those policies are not cheap. They can cost the same price per million of an older unprotected wood frame apartment building for section 08 occupants sitting on a beach in a high risk flood zone.jxs40 said:
Maybe the bowls should provide a free Lloyd's of London insurance policy to players identified with NFL talent.
(half serious half joking)
If players arent even going to play in them, there is even more reason to replace bowl games with more playoff games.
Has any player bailed on a championship game yet?
Sorry...IMO this shows disrespect to your teammates and fan base.
Under the current system, a non-playoff bowl may be viewed by a jaded, lock-NFL player as a chance to risk future earning potential in order to provide the school with a paycheck.JJxvi said:
If players arent even going to play in them, there is even more reason to replace bowl games with more playoff games.
Now, a playoff game has the potential to lead to a national championship. I believe the additional upside in a playoff scenario may serve to limit desertion. We don't see too many players sitting out of CFP semis and finals...yet.
That said, we all recognize that there will always be some whose motivation is coin-operated and they sit once their draft grade arrives.
Disagree. If it were a playoff game, that'd be one thing. But for a glorified exhibition game? Too much money at stake.TAMU74 said:
Sorry...IMO this shows disrespect to your teammates and fan base.
Who are your priorities to - your school and teammates OR your family?
GMs don't care if a guy skips his bowl game. Outside just a handful, they are really just glorified exhibition games. What GMs want are healthy prospects to choose from. No GM is going to pass on Ed Oliver or Nick Bosa because they cut out early.Agsrback12 said:
I'm not sure how long this will last. GMs immediately find out who the me guys are. One of the more difficult things to determine as a GM are what is this individuals motivation level going to be when he is a millionaire and has eff you money?
Per CBS Sports draft prospect rankings, 3 of the top 4 guys will bypass their team's bowl game (Oliver, Bosa, Greedy Williams). The only one in the top 4 that's playing is in the CFP (Jonah Williams). GMs don't care.
It's a trap!
I don't like these kinds of decisions, but I do understand the young man's motivation. If things keep trending in this direction, college football will soon resemble what college basketball has become.
They need some skin in the game so to speak. If they sit out and do make it to the NFL, they should have to pay back some of their scholarship.
30wedge said:
They need some skin in the game so to speak. If they sit out and do make it to the NFL, they should have to pay back some of their scholarship.
How many millions of dollars do universities make off of these kids without them ever seeing a penny?
When you look at the benefits the kid receives from the school vs. the number of hours of work the kid puts in to play his sport - he would do better flipping burgers at McDonalds.decent looking Ag said:30wedge said:
They need some skin in the game so to speak. If they sit out and do make it to the NFL, they should have to pay back some of their scholarship.
How many millions of dollars do universities make off of these kids without them ever seeing a penny?
So yeah the kid has no incentive to play in a glorified exhibition game that might endanger his ability to support his family for years to come. It's a no brainer, actually.
30wedge said:
They need some skin in the game so to speak. If they sit out and do make it to the NFL, they should have to pay back some of their scholarship.
Then you'll just get players claiming muscle tightness and they don't feel comfortable playing.
Should coaches pay back part of their salary if they accept another job and don't coach the bowl game?
PacifistAg said:GMs don't care if a guy skips his bowl game. Outside just a handful, they are really just glorified exhibition games. What GMs want are healthy prospects to choose from. No GM is going to pass on Ed Oliver or Nick Bosa because they cut out early.Agsrback12 said:
I'm not sure how long this will last. GMs immediately find out who the me guys are. One of the more difficult things to determine as a GM are what is this individuals motivation level going to be when he is a millionaire and has eff you money?
Per CBS Sports draft prospect rankings, 3 of the top 4 guys will bypass their team's bowl game (Oliver, Bosa, Greedy Williams). The only one in the top 4 that's playing is in the CFP (Jonah Williams). GMs don't care.
This. If the NFL has shown us one thing over the years, it's that all teams really care about at the end of the day is physical talent. The NFL has had countless me-first players who fight with their coaches and teammates, along with rapists, wife-beaters, animal killers, and even a few murderers. As long as you don't get put away for life like Aaron Hernandez, there is a roster spot for you in the NFL. Skipping a bowl game will have zero impact on anyone's stock.
decent looking Ag said:30wedge said:
They need some skin in the game so to speak. If they sit out and do make it to the NFL, they should have to pay back some of their scholarship.
How many millions of dollars do universities make off of these kids without them ever seeing a penny?
He didn't bail from the game but I specifically remember Miami Hurricane RB McGahee saying before the game he was not going to go balls out. He wan't to avoid getting hurt. Stepped out of bounds, went down easy...OSU had no business being in the game but McGahee half-assing it really hurt the Hurricanes.Kozmozag said:
Has any player bailed on a championship game yet?
Because, IMHO, he wasn't going full throttle he eventually got hit hard and tore his leg all up. He did have a Lloyd insurance policy; but he didn't cash it in.
edit to add 2001 OSU vs UM
might want to check that math againwbt5845 said:When you look at the benefits the kid receives from the school vs. the number of hours of work the kid puts in to play his sport - he would do better flipping burgers at McDonalds.decent looking Ag said:30wedge said:
They need some skin in the game so to speak. If they sit out and do make it to the NFL, they should have to pay back some of their scholarship.
How many millions of dollars do universities make off of these kids without them ever seeing a penny?
So yeah the kid has no incentive to play in a glorified exhibition game that might endanger his ability to support his family for years to come. It's a no brainer, actually.
this guy was 1st team all-ACC.
another break for the Ags
another break for the Ags
Hopefully more players sit out which expose the bowl system as the exhibition sham that it is, and forces the playoffs to expand.
OilManAg91 said:
Hopefully more players sit out which expose the bowl system as the exhibition sham that it is, and forces the playoffs to expand.
Exactly.. this is a crystal clear indicator that those bowl games are 100% meaningless .
How many Bama, Notre Dame, Clemson and OU players are skipping their games?
Don't hate the players, hate the system.
When an exceptional combine performance could mean the difference between a couple of rounds, especially late first round vs second round, that's a multi-million dollar risk decision the young man is making.
When a school offers the chance for physical training and a degree that may cost $100k, and turns around and sells that player's performance on a field of play for millions of dollars, none of which are paid to the player, what is the motivation for that player to take risk of injury so close to the combine? Maybe if the schools pay for an insurance policy that exceeds an independent 3rd party evaluation of the player's likely draft slot, some of the kids on the fence will decide it's worth the risk. Certainly that's in the interest of the NCAA?
When an exceptional combine performance could mean the difference between a couple of rounds, especially late first round vs second round, that's a multi-million dollar risk decision the young man is making.
When a school offers the chance for physical training and a degree that may cost $100k, and turns around and sells that player's performance on a field of play for millions of dollars, none of which are paid to the player, what is the motivation for that player to take risk of injury so close to the combine? Maybe if the schools pay for an insurance policy that exceeds an independent 3rd party evaluation of the player's likely draft slot, some of the kids on the fence will decide it's worth the risk. Certainly that's in the interest of the NCAA?
As perfect as our playoff system is, THIS is the one and only reason I'd like to see the playoffs expanded.OilManAg91 said:
Hopefully more players sit out which expose the bowl system as the exhibition sham that it is, and forces the playoffs to expand.
These situations should be evaluated case-by case. I agreed with the WR, b/c he is projected mid 1st round.
Unless there is some undisclosed reason, I disagree with Spratt's (the LB) decision. Most projections have him in rounds 2-3. He probably received a round 2 draft grade. In other words, he is looking at $0.5-4 mil guaranteed.
But if he has a big bowl game against a good SEC rushing team, he could play his way into the 1st round and be guaranteed $10 mil or more. The scouting reports all seem to say he has NFL tools, but he needs to get more physical against blockers.
Unless there is some undisclosed reason, I disagree with Spratt's (the LB) decision. Most projections have him in rounds 2-3. He probably received a round 2 draft grade. In other words, he is looking at $0.5-4 mil guaranteed.
But if he has a big bowl game against a good SEC rushing team, he could play his way into the 1st round and be guaranteed $10 mil or more. The scouting reports all seem to say he has NFL tools, but he needs to get more physical against blockers.
If I'm a GM I would prefer my prospects to stay healthy.Agsrback12 said:
I'm not sure how long this will last. GMs immediately find out who the me guys are. One of the more difficult things to determine as a GM are what is this individuals motivation level going to be when he is a millionaire and has eff you money?
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