Agsuffering@bulaw said:

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That wife swapping stuff is dirty. I wonder if Herman:

1. likes watching his wife get plowed; or
2. needs the variety so badly he is willing to let his wife get used

There was a coach a few years back in Cali who would let his players boom the wife if they had good games.

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Where are you reading this?

I've read the entire article and all the tweets posted here and haven't seen anything that references wife swapping.

Am I missing something?

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Agsuffering@bulaw said:

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That wife swapping stuff is dirty. I wonder if Herman:

1. likes watching his wife get plowed; or
2. needs the variety so badly he is willing to let his wife get used

There was a coach a few years back in Cali who would let his players boom the wife if they had good games.

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Where are you reading this?

I've read the entire article and all the tweets posted here and haven't seen anything that references wife swapping.

An I missing something?

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I was thinking the same thing.

If Hermon did one-third of what has been put out he will implode from the very pressure this will create in his own mind if nowhere else.

I'm sure it's been said but man does he seem ******y!

I hated Mack B because he kinda owned us...but he seems like a decent guy...this Herman fellow just seems sleazy, in other words perfect for THOSE people!

Edit: really? Shower in french is not allowed here? LOL

Who is the grimes kid?

Agsuffering@bulaw said:

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We could look for correlation, but would probably not be able to prove causation well enough for somebody to be convinced he lost a bet.

We are talking about the decision immature teenagers make. Most of the time they do not know why they decide what they decide. What standard would you set for proving causation?

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Well, you referred to this story as "recruiting platinum." I believe that this is going to be a total non-event in the grand scheme of things, mostly due to a disgraced and unreliable accuser and the fact that our culture has become numb to these stories, but I digress...

Let's put it this way- if Herman's 2019 Hermits finish well below where they are currently (number 7), you win the bet. Let's call it out of the top ten. I would assume recruiting platinum would mean their class is dead in the water, so this shouldn't be a stretch for you.

levypantsEOY said:

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Agsuffering@bulaw said:

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We could look for correlation, but would probably not be able to prove causation well enough for somebody to be convinced he lost a bet.
We are talking about the decision immature teenagers make. Most of the time they do not know why they decide what they decide. What standard would you set for proving causation?

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Well, you referred to this story as "recruiting platinum." I believe that this is going to be a total non-event in the grand scheme of things, mostly due to a disgraced and unreliable accuser and the fact that our culture has become numb to these stories, but I digress...
Let's put it this way- if Herman's 2019 Hermits finish well below where they are currently (number 7), you win the bet. Let's call it out of the top ten. I would assume recruiting platinum would mean their class is dead in the water, so this shouldn't be a stretch for you.

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Oh, the undergrad's going to "prove" that something "is going to be a TOTAL (emphasis added) "non-event".
Yeah, that's possible, Verbosity Junior! LOL. Prove it, control for every conceivable variable, make sure that it's
both statistically valid and statistically reliable.
Here's a kid who likes to read his own typing! "Total non-event. Wanna bet?"

Champ Bailey said:

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Who is the grimes kid?

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Trevon Grimes is a former OSU wide receiver that transferred to Florida. Just two days after Zach Smith went on his latest twitter rant, Brett McMurphy ran a story about Trevon leaving OSU in part because supposedly there was a racially-charged verbal altercation between Zach Smith and himself that Urban Meyer supposedly covered up. From the get going urban refuted the article, as did many current players.

Ohio State is considering legal action against McMurphy

Now, Trevon's Mother has been fired from her job. Why was she?

technoviking said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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Who is the grimes kid?

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Trevon Grimes is a former OSU wide receiver that transferred to Florida. Just two days after Zach Smith went on his latest twitter rant, Brett McMurphy ran a story about Trevon leaving OSU in part because supposedly there was a racially-charged verbal altercation between Zach Smith and himself that Urban Meyer supposedly covered up. From the get going urban refuted the article, as did many current players.

Ohio State is considering legal action against McMurphy

Now, Trevon's Mother has been fired from her job. Why was she?

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Yikes.

Tom Tugjob better hope he has a long and successful career with the whorns because when it comes out he was working with McMurphy on this no real job is going to want to touch him.

The coaching community hates hypocritical rats.

Just saw this. Can't make this stuff up.

Hopefully she's okay. She lives in Florida and has health issues

The college game can be a moral-less rat race and it's unfortunate when it has unfortunate impacts on family's livelihoods.

No need to overthink it.
I say this is a non-event in the recruiting landscape, you say it's "recruiting platinum." Stick to your guns. Do you think Herman will lose any recruits over this? One recruit? Not sign any more 4 or 5 stars?

You brought it up. Now finish it.

This is really a quibble over terms.

IF the sips lose 1-2 additional high-impact recruits as long as Herman is there, that is huge. It may not feel huge, but it would take its toll over time.

But as far as this year is concerned: They have 5 scholarships left to give. Even if they lose 1-2 high impact recruits, they will make the points back and more when they fill out the remaining slots.

And even then, we still only have "correlation" not "causation." The sample size is way too small to be anything but an anecdote.


You want to take issue with me using imprecise terms like "gold" and "platinum," fine. Maybe I ought to be more precise. But, your proposed test is anecdotal, loaded as hell in your favor, and comparably unscientific to my flowery language.

Fair. My point is more that in 2018, short of a coach losing his job, these allegations are just background noise. Sips are now crowing about how this story has actually galvanized the recruits in support of Herman, which I believe is also bogus.

Bottom line
It is not good for recruiting in Austin.
Keep moving your goalposts and changing your definitions, but it is not good.

Enjoy the cesspool

I would love to create a sign for the horns game.
"You can't beat the rub and tug offense."

We'll see how this impacts recruiting this December/January, but my gut tells me it won't have that much of an impact.

Buford T. Justice said:

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I would love to create a sign for the horns game.
"You can't beat the rub and tug offense."

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"It's not hard to beat Tom Herman"

Not sure how anyone in the whole drama can say this is good for Herman, sips, Urban, OSU, McMurphy, Smith, wives of Hrman and Smith, or parents of recruits trying to make decisions. Anyone claiming this is over and will not affect recruiting just has their head in the sand. If I am a parent of a big time recruit...i would stay clear of all involved just out of precaution..that seems to be the only rational thing to do at this early stage of the saga....as the truth will eventually come out..but may take months or years of dueling lawsuits.

Buford T. Justice said:

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I would love to create a sign for the horns game.
"You can't beat the rub and tug offense."

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"Winning with Integrity"

I don't understand why the sign thread was taken down. We used to have fun with stuff like this. Remember the Teo threads?

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Agsuffering@bulaw said:

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That wife swapping stuff is dirty. I wonder if Herman:

1. likes watching his wife get plowed; or
2. needs the variety so badly he is willing to let his wife get used

There was a coach a few years back in Cali who would let his players boom the wife if they had good games.

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Where are you reading this?

I've read the entire article and all the tweets posted here and haven't seen anything that references wife swapping.

Am I missing something?

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Still waiting for an answer to this. Starting to believe Agsuffering@bulaw just made it up.

Well, that is what lawyers do.

Champ Bailey provided comments from a supposed insider at Ohio St who made those claims.

FriscoKid said:

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If Zach Smith could prove any of his allegations he already be out doing it as he's angry at everyone.

Dread Pirate Roberts said:

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Champ Bailey provided comments from a supposed insider at Ohio St who made those claims.

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Gotcha, thanks.

usmcbrooks said:

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This might be the gayest thing I've ever seen a grown man wear in public.

Can't imagine walking out of the house in that.

The swapping accusations were on bucknuts. I said that it was a dirty accusation and contemplated what could motivate someone to go there.

https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/Board/120/Contents/McMurphys-new-hit-piece-on-Zach-120782980/?Page=9


The cali coach who let his players have the wife

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-03-17/news/mn-11940_1_hemet-high-school

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usmcbrooks said:

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This might be the gayest thing I've ever seen a grown man wear in public.

Can't imagine walking out of the house in that.

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The ass eating pants or the fact he tucked it in?

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usmcbrooks said:

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This might be the gayest thing I've ever seen a grown man wear in public.

Can't imagine walking out of the house in that.

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And why is Patrick Swayze standing behind him?