Since the 80's it has been their desire to join the left coast conference.

We almost joined the SEC in the late 80's and the sips were going to the left coast conference.

When the deal fell through and we decided to pursue the big 8 together instead, the SEC took Arkansas for the spot we were offered and the pac stood pat.

They have always fancied themselves as left coast snoots.

The better question is would the SEC allow either the B1G or the PAC to add the horns and the sooners.

Not sure OU can get away from being a package deal with Okie Lite
If the BDF fails which seems likely, other conferences would want tu & OU

Maybe the SEC passes wherever they land that conference will be perceived as being better because of the addition of two Marquee programs

AquaCasaAg said:

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http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2018/0824/2018-19%20Bylaws.pdf


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We're screwed, they'll weasel in one day. pfft, 3/4's vote.

Aftermath said:

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10 billion dollar endowment, 2nd richest program in College football, top 10 historic football program, ....lots of influence, could probably make a good argument.... but arrogance will take them to ACC or Big 10 where they think they fit in academically

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Their endowment is $4.34 billion for 2018, not $10.


Just for the record.

When PIGS FLY

Trident 88 said:

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Adding tu makes no sense.

Based on TV viewership from the Clemson game, the SEC has already captured the Austin market!

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This.

It's about copacetic culture and viewers.

A&M has already brought both to the table.

tu would crash and burn in the "culture" test .

Slim to none.

I don't think they want the SEC, and I don't think the SEC wants them.

Trident 88 said:

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Adding tu makes no sense.

Based on TV viewership from the Clemson game, the SEC has already captured the Austin market!

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Perks of being as hated as we are. They may be rooting against us but they are still watching which means more money for us.

Anything is possible. But lets hope it doesn't happen.

The PAC needs tu more than any other conference.. I think they will, eventually, take tu, ou, osu, and tech to make a 16-team league.. The Pacific/Southwest Conference.. My favorite conference model is 16 teams, split into 4 Divisions.. In this case: tu, ou, osu, and tech (Plains Division); Arizona, ASU, Colorado, and Utah (Mountain Div.); USC, UCLA, Stanford, and Cal (Coast Div.); and Oregon, OSU, Washington, and WSU (Northwest Div.) Align 2 Divisions, say Plains/Mountain and Coast/NW and play the 3 teams in your Division and the 4 teams in your crossover Division, PLUS 1 team from each of the other Divisions, home and home, for 2 years (9-game schedule).. Then, every 2 years, switch Division alignments. The Conference Champion would be determined in a Conference Championship game between the winners of each 2 aligned Divisions.. I know, TLDR.. JMO..

What's funny is that if they got into the SEC they'd be in the East.

I don't see OU nor OSU going to the P10 for the same reasons we didn't- they would stick out like a sore thumb culturally. Tech would go if invited only because they probably wouldn't have any other options. The Okie schools would join Nebraska in the B10.

How do you figure that?

The oklahomas would be the ones to get in if the dumpster fire ever dissolves. tu would probably move into the Pac 12

It doesn't take a "gentleman's agreement" of any kind- the league wouldn't even bring it up for a vote. There's a reason why it's the best conference in the country...

HTH

Dr. Teeth said:

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Texas has no interest in joining the SEC, and it has nothing to do with the level of athletic competition.

The SEC is a true and equal partnership and not a conference which they could politically dominate the way they did in the SWC and Big 12. The SEC would not tolerate their BS, and they know it.

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tu's approach to SEC for admission will not be by choice. It will be like the amputation of an arm. They either must do it or surrender their perceived kingdom to Texas A & M which to them is like death. It will be their last option not a choice. Once realized they will bring all their forces to bear to get in. This may take another 5 or so years but a few of their realists are already realizing it. I predicted this in this board in 2011 or 2012.

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They have made it clear that they are primarily interested in themselves to their conference mates detriment....hence they aren't interested in any arrangement that includes a level playing field.

tu would fit into the SEC culturally about as well as A&M would in the P10. The first time they started giving away free dildos at home games the SEC office would b$&ch slap them all the way out to the Pacific Ocean.

So the SECe could gain some viewers and we could be x-Div rivals.

Let me explain something really simple. Right now every other SEC school has to convince a Texas kid to "not stay at home" vs one school and only school only when making a decision of where to go to school. Forget all the other stuff about Texas' bs which is real as well.

NO to tu in the SEC!!

mccag said:

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A&M, Mizzu, LSU, Ark, as well as BAMA probably along with USCe and Florida would all vote no because they would want our vote in the same situation. So the answer is probably not!

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You can also add Georgia & Kentucky to this list.

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They have made it clear they have no interest in the SEC.

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Yeah, and Mack never offered.

Don't kid yourself, they'd jump all over the chance if it were given to them.

But it won't be, so in typical sip fashion, they will claim they aren't interested.

I keep reading that Arkansas wants to join the Big XII. I think that is more likely to happen than the tsips joining the SEC.

This is an offseason thread. It makes discussion when the only things going on are baseball and NBA free agency.

We are playing #1 Alabama in football 48 hours from now. Let's discuss that.

SpiDer09 said:

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Playing devil's advocate: with the mentality that we think arky and lsu have regarding tu, what's it to say they didn't have the same feelings toward us when we were trying to join? Obviously it's moot to try arguing this point since we're in the conference, but we used to have a pretty heated rivalry with those two schools.

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When A&M joined the SEC it increased their footprint by 50%.

This has enabled all of the SEC schools at that time to make A LOT more $ via the SEC Network and many other revenue streams.

More eyeballs mean more money.

The SEC is already "in" Texas.

If tu were ever admitted to the SEC the current members would all have to take a "pay cut" because what tu would add to the revenue pot would be less than whatever their pro rated share would be.

Who wants to make less just to help out the loveable horns?

A snowball in hell has a better chance of surviving for 10,000 years then Texas does getting into the SEC.

A snowball in hell has a better chance of surviving for 1,000 years then Texas does of getting into the B1G

A snowball in hell has a better chance of surviving for 100 years then Texas does of getting into the PAC.

Texas already tried to get into the PAC and B1G and both conferences said hell no.

Oklahoma tried the same and both conferences said the same.

A snowball in hell has a better chance of surviving for 10 years then Texas does of going independent.

They may go independent but only IF ESPN extends the LHN. Or if they don't and FOX gives them a contract because FOX is trying to get into the Texas market. So there may be a bidding war at the end of the contract. For ESPN it was always a loss leader. It prevented them from having to bid on a Big XII network and pay more money to keep FOX out. and ESPN was correct. Not sure FOX would want to follow suit rather than try and get a whole conference. So that will be interesting when it expires.

Most conferences don't like how Texas likes to play ball but they are the only team (maybe OU?) with enough viewership that makes them the team to talk to. However, with the LHN debacle, I am not sure that that hasn't hurt Texas' position to be able to negotiate.

If the PAC is floundering in viewership and "NEEDS" Texas to keep them going, and if Texas has enough clout left to actually add value then that is the only way I see them getting into the PAC.

Otherwise, I just see them circling the drain of the BigXII for a long long time.

SpiDer09 said:

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Playing devil's advocate: with the mentality that we think arky and lsu have regarding tu, what's it to say they didn't have the same feelings toward us when we were trying to join? Obviously it's moot to try arguing this point since we're in the conference, but we used to have a pretty heated rivalry with those two schools.

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This is moot. We did not go to the SEC seeking membership. They came to us. Three times. When the SWC was breaking up. In the early 2000s I think and then in 2010ish. Having a heated rivalry has nothing to do with anything. Being a good partner and adding value does. The toxicity of Texas lowers the value and brings no benefit, zero, nada, zilch.

Good Lord.

The word you're looking for is "than". It doesn't remotely mean the same thing as the word "then".