Sherman

He brought us Johnny , mike, luke, jake, patrick, and Jarvis

I think

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I'd also say the Petrino-led Arkansas teams Sherman lost to were light-years better than the ones Sumlin faced.

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What about Arkansas State? Who led them?

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Again, Sherman inherited an option garbage team from Fran.

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He should be able to beat an Arkansas State team regardless of what he inherited. And years later he still managed to barely go .500 in the worst conference in the country.

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Didn't Sumlin barely beat ULL last year? What about Monroe two years before that? Those games went down to the wire and they were during his 4th and 6th seasons.

Edit: The Big12 was not the worst conference back then. In fact it was between them and the SEC every year for being the best. Not sure why you said that.

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You are what your record says you area. Sumlin was far and away better. It isn't debatable unless you are a mouth breathing moron.

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Go back to politics. Thsts where you live to argue
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Look up Saban's record in the NFL. Guess he sucks.

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Saban was a terrible NFL coach. That is still true until he proves it isn't.

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Well everyone knows there's more pairity in the NFL
It's real coaching.

Now at Bama with 85 kids that are 5 stars... is that coaching or a little bit of both coaching and talent? He can recruit for some reason better in college. Gives him the advantage he needs.

What is sumlin's record after 2012/2013? That's a more fair assessment of his coaching skills.

He won with another coach's talent. Got fired with his kids

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You are what your record says you area. Sumlin was far and away better. It isn't debatable unless you are a mouth breathing moron.

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Go back to politics. Thsts where you live to argue
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Look up Saban's record in the NFL. Guess he sucks.

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Saban was a terrible NFL coach. That is still true until he proves it isn't.

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Well everyone knows there's more pairity in the NFL
It's real coaching.

Now at Bama with 85 kids that are 5 stars... is that coaching or a little bit of both coaching and talent? He can recruit for some reason better in college. Gives him the advantage he needs.

What is sumlin's record after 2012/2013? That's a more fair assessment of his coaching skills.

He won with another coach's talent. Got fired with his kids

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Recruiting is huge part of a college football coach's job, that's why success in college and the NFL rarely translate.

It doesn't matter what years you try and cherry pick from Sumlin's record, Sherman had 1 season where he was above .500 at the end of the season! He won 0 bowl games. He was a complete failure! He was never offered another head coaching job in the United States for his effort. His CFL team is in last place right now, I guess that's Fran's fault though.

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Sherman 25 - 25 in the little 12, 1 winning season
Sumlin 51 - 26 in the SEC

Anyone who says Sherman is a moron.

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Sherman recruited ALL the players that got Sumlin his wins. Take out the wins from jff years. The o line. Jff lol.

Now look at Sumlin's ' record...

What would Sherman have done the next year with those guys?

I'll moronically say Sherman was better.

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So Sherman would have done better in the SEC than 51-26? They may have been Sherman's players, but Sumlin is obviously the better coach for college...don't forget what he did at UH also, there is no chance that Sherman would have been 20-6 our first two years in the SEC

And don't forget Sumlin had winning seasons every year even after Sherman's recruits were gone, Sherman had ONE winning season

I didn't realize Sumlin actually coached anyone. Everyone use to say he was the CEO type.

Sherman is the better coach no question. As far instructional teaching and guidance of the game went. This doesn't necessarily translate to wins. Sherm had an eye for talent and could develop it. When it comes to X & O it's not even a discussion as to who is better.

Sumlin was a good recruiter (when he wanted to be one) and brought a lot of flare to our program when we needed it. Sumlin was given everything he needed to succeed and underachieved.

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Sherman 25 - 25 in the little 12, 1 winning season
Sumlin 51 - 26 in the SEC

Anyone who says Sherman is a moron.

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Sherman recruited ALL the players that got Sumlin his wins. Take out the wins from jff years. The o line. Jff lol.

Now look at Sumlin's ' record...

What would Sherman have done the next year with those guys?

I'll moronically say Sherman was better.

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So Sherman would have done better in the SEC than 51-26? They may have been Sherman's players, but Sumlin is obviously the better coach for college...don't forget what he did at UH also, there is no chance that Sherman would have been 20-6 our first two years in the SEC

And don't forget Sumlin had winning seasons every year even after Sherman's recruits were gone, Sherman had ONE winning season

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lol. Houston.

He inherited art's qb and team there as well
Sumlin is very, very good at taking another coach's talent and not screwing it up

With his own players he's an average coach at best.

Yes. I think Sherman would have done better with j the sec if he'd have coached in 2012/2013

We are guessing because he didn't get the chance.

Sumlin PROVED he couldn't get the job done.
Sumlin lost his job over stidham alone.

Take him and he's still here. Career ending move right there.

Fran left little for Sherman to work with. Sherman recruited and lead the team to a winning season after 2 years. All of Sumlin's first season wins are completely due to Sherman's success in recruiting & the 1/2 a season it took the SEC to learn how to shut down the Air Raid. Sherman taught time management to an obsessive level. Sherman has experience across all echelon's of American Football. Sherman's CFL team probably can beat Sumlin's Arizona NCAA team at either version of the game on either field.

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Take away all the JFF magic that got us through a lot of games, and the shine comes off Sumlins record pretty quick.

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gotta disagree.

those 2016 home wins vs. UCLA and Tennessee were big ones on CBS national TV. Sumlin will always get credit for those.

and some of the wins vs. Arkansas at Jerryworld were big ones too

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Sherman inherited crap from Fran. Fran was running the option and grosely underutilized Martellus and McGee.

It would have been interesting to see one more year of Sherman. I think he deserved that one year to make it or not.

I think Sherman was the better coach regardless of record. Again, he inherited garbage.

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what?

Von and Tannehill were Fran recruits. So was Jerrod, Jordan Pugh, et al

Coach Sherman during the second half....

Sumlin inherited the equivalent of the 2013 auburn squad: top 5-10 talent coming off a snakebitten season but a roster full of future pros

Sherman inherited the equivalent of the 2018 arkie squad.

Sumlin rode the wave but his player development sucked. Sherman developed talent, but thought he could coach 18-22 year olds like 25-35 yr old pros

Sumlin. Mediocre and lazy as he was, his record speaks for itself compared to Sherman's.

RC>Sherrill>Sumlin>Sherman>Fran

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Sherman 25 - 25 in the little 12, 1 winning season
Sumlin 51 - 26 in the SEC

Anyone who says Sherman is a moron.

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Sherman recruited ALL the players that got Sumlin his wins. Take out the wins from jff years. The o line. Jff lol.

Now look at Sumlin's ' record...

What would Sherman have done the next year with those guys?

I'll moronically say Sherman was better.

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So Sherman would have done better in the SEC than 51-26? They may have been Sherman's players, but Sumlin is obviously the better coach for college...don't forget what he did at UH also, there is no chance that Sherman would have been 20-6 our first two years in the SEC

And don't forget Sumlin had winning seasons every year even after Sherman's recruits were gone, Sherman had ONE winning season

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lol. Houston.

He inherited art's qb and team there as well
Sumlin is very, very good at taking another coach's talent and not screwing it up

With his own players he's an average coach at best.

Yes. I think Sherman would have done better with j the sec if he'd have coached in 2012/2013

We are guessing because he didn't get the chance.

Sumlin PROVED he couldn't get the job done.
Sumlin lost his job over stidham alone.

Take him and he's still here. Career ending move right there.

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His fourth year at UH (with mostly his players mind you) he went 12-1, his 4th, 5th, and 6th years at A&M (with mostly his players) he had winning seasons every single year. Sherman had one winning season and in his last season an NFL starting quarterback he went 6-6 in the big 12 (with the same team that Sumlin inherited).

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I'd also say the Petrino-led Arkansas teams Sherman lost to were light-years better than the ones Sumlin faced.

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What about Arkansas State? Who led them?

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Again, Sherman inherited an option garbage team from Fran.

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He should be able to beat an Arkansas State team regardless of what he inherited. And years later he still managed to barely go .500 in the worst conference in the country.

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That's all I need to read to understand you don't know what you're talking about

I'd actually swap Slocum and Sherrill as far as pure coaching ability.

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I'd also say the Petrino-led Arkansas teams Sherman lost to were light-years better than the ones Sumlin faced.

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What about Arkansas State? Who led them?

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Again, Sherman inherited an option garbage team from Fran.

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He should be able to beat an Arkansas State team regardless of what he inherited. And years later he still managed to barely go .500 in the worst conference in the country.

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That's all I need to read to understand you don't know what you're talking about

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I'm sure he meant worst power 5 conference

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I'd actually swap Slocum and Sherrill as far as pure coaching ability.

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Tough one... Sherrill got us back on the map. Slocum kept us relevant.

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Sherman 25 - 25 in the little 12, 1 winning season
Sumlin 51 - 26 in the SEC

Anyone who says Sherman is a moron.

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If your definition of "better" is just the win-loss record, Sherman would not be the "better" coach.

However, if you think anyone else who doesn't agree with you is a "moron", then I say show me your MENSA Membership Card, Bubba, and I'll show you mine.....then we can decide who is a "moron".

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Sherman 25 - 25 in the little 12, 1 winning season
Sumlin 51 - 26 in the SEC

Anyone who says Sherman is a moron.

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If your definition of "better" is just the win-loss record, Sherman would not be the "better" coach.

However, if you think anyone else who doesn't agree with you is a "moron", then I say show me your MENSA Membership Card, Bubba, and I'll show you mine.....then we can decide who is a "moron".

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Compare IQ scores, now that's how you win a football debate!

You took football out of it, when you called people morons for having a different opinion.

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You took football out of it, when you called people morons for having a different opinion.

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Well to be fair that wasn't me who called anyone a moron, I just found it funny that someone thought their IQ scores would some how translate to their knowledge of football.

Never said a word about translating/correlating intelligence to football coaching.

However, when you call someone a "moron" you are implying a certain level of intelligence (or lack thereof), regardless of the subject matter (in this case, football).

So, if you're going to question someone's intelligence, then it why is it unreasonable to question yours/theirs ?

This board's love affair with Sherman is mind-boggling.
BTW, his 2 years as a high school football head coach since leaving A&M:
1-10
3-8

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Never said a word about translating/correlating intelligence to football coaching.

However, when you call someone a "moron" you are implying a certain level of intelligence (or lack thereof), regardless of the subject matter (in this case, football).

So, if you're going to question someone's intelligence, then it why is it unreasonable to question yours/theirs ?

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I can't speak for the name caller, but I'm pretty sure he meant "football moron"...it's like the difference between street smarts and book smarts, my friend is a double major in petroleum and civil engineering yet she was confused how a bird got into Kyle Field when it flew by her in the stands

Sumlin won with Sumlin players moreso than Sherman won with his. Not to mention Sumlin never lost to an Arkansas St.

And Sumlin wasn't afraid of the SEC. Sherman clearly was.

Regardless of what he "meant" to say, by calling people "moron" he was the one bringing the question of intelligence to the argument, not me.

I merely questioned his intelligence...... as I said, if it's fair for him to question the intelligence of those who disagree with him, then why is it unfair to question his intelligence ?

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This board's love affair with Sherman is mind-boggling.
BTW, his 2 years as a high school football head coach since leaving A&M:
1-10
3-8

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What's his record as head coach in the CFL?

His team is 1-3. That's good for last in the division. Also the least points scored and the second most points allowed in the league. The team with the most points allowed has played 5 games. Nice guy, terrible coach.

Sherman took over a program that was in an awful state in 2007 and tied for the Big 12 south title in 2010.

In 2011 his team lost a total of 6 games. 5 of those games by an average of 3 points loss and four of those teams finished in the top 25. Give Sherman a new S&C coach like Larry Jackson and the other resources Sumlin was afforded and he could have been our guy.

Mike Sherman is easily the most underrated coach by our fan base since I started following Aggie football in the mid 90's

Glad we have Jimbo and had some fun watching Sumlin's program but it pisses me off when people just look at 2011 win/loss record with no context around the season and recent history of the program and bash Sherman

Ugh Sumlin inherited crap on defense, going into the toughest conference in college football! The hate for Sumlin is unreal! Some of y'all have really bad memories.

they both sucked