Did anyone else notice this?

From the Dallas Morning News:

Quote:

---

Herman may have even taken a shot at the Tigers in the final minutes of his team's win. ESPN caught Texas' first-year coach seemingly mocking Missouri quarterback Drew Lock with a victory dance after receiver Armanti Foreman sealed the game with an 18-yard touchdown run with 1:39 to play.

---

Quote:

---

Herman's moves appeared to reference Lock's celebration earlier in the game the star quarterback broke out a similar dance after a 79-yard touchdown pass on the opening play from scrimmage in the second half.

---

In defense of tu, in the the three toughest teams they played- USC, OU & OKST- they lost by four points to one and by three points to the other too. Granted, Maryland & tt beat them, but they showed vast improvement when playing the three that I mentioned. I'm thinking we would have lost to the same three teams by wider margins.

MO clearly beat themselves.

herman seems to be able to get his team up to play big games but seems to lose games to teams he shouldn't

he did the same thing at UH last season - beat some good teams but lost to some crappy ones


and as for the texas bowl, I knew that as soon as the sips drew mizzou they would win the game

mizzou is the least SEC-like team of all the teams in the SEC

they still look and play like a big12 team, so they couldn't overwhelm tu in the trenches which is what a lot of other SEC teams would have done to them

Bayside Tiger Ag said:

---

Ragoo said:

---

TheBro said:

---

ironmanag said:

---

Yes. Let's tap the breaks. Give t.u. credit. They played well.

They played well against a team that started the year 1-5 and then didn't beat another team with a winning record the rest of the way.

They finished 7-6 in the BDF. We will see if they better or if they just beat a poor team.

---

You are right, but 4 of those losses were to #2, 8, 15 and 19 in the CFP.

---

and, who were the other 2 against? Would you argue the Aggies are "good" because we also lost to (4) teams in the top 25? I wouldn't.

---

The sips are puffing their chests out for a coach that went 6-6 in the worst conference in college football whie we fired one for going 7-5 in the SEC. The two programs have a different set of standards.

---

Give me an objective measure to justify saying that the B12 is the worst conference in college football. They have a rep in the CFP and the Pac12 and B1G do not, but it's the worst conference. When OU beats Geo, will it still be the worst conference?

Ragoo said:

---

TheBro said:

---

ironmanag said:

---

Yes. Let's tap the breaks. Give t.u. credit. They played well.

They played well against a team that started the year 1-5 and then didn't beat another team with a winning record the rest of the way.

They finished 7-6 in the BDF. We will see if they better or if they just beat a poor team.

---

You are right, but 4 of those losses were to #2, 8, 15 and 19 in the CFP.

---

and, who were the other 2 against? Would you argue the Aggies are "good" because we also lost to (4) teams in the top 25? I wouldn't.

---

I never said Texas was good. I guess they are about the same.

fireinthehole said:

---

MO clearly beat themselves.

---

Many teams do that, especially in the face of a good defense.

NyAggie said:

---

herman seems to be able to get his team up to play big games but seems to lose games to teams he shouldn't

he did the same thing at UH last season - beat some good teams but lost to some crappy ones


and as for the texas bowl, I knew that as soon as the sips drew mizzou they would win the game

mizzou is the least SEC-like team of all the teams in the SEC

they still look and play like a big12 team, so they couldn't overwhelm tu in the trenches which is what a lot of other SEC teams would have done to them

---

You should have bet the house on Texas because Vegas didn't agree with you.

TheBro said:

---

Bayside Tiger Ag said:

---

Ragoo said:

---

TheBro said:

---

ironmanag said:

---

Yes. Let's tap the breaks. Give t.u. credit. They played well.

They played well against a team that started the year 1-5 and then didn't beat another team with a winning record the rest of the way.

They finished 7-6 in the BDF. We will see if they better or if they just beat a poor team.

---

You are right, but 4 of those losses were to #2, 8, 15 and 19 in the CFP.

---

and, who were the other 2 against? Would you argue the Aggies are "good" because we also lost to (4) teams in the top 25? I wouldn't.

---

The sips are puffing their chests out for a coach that went 6-6 in the worst conference in college football whie we fired one for going 7-5 in the SEC. The two programs have a different set of standards.

---

Give me an objective measure to justify saying that the B12 is the worst conference in college football. They have a rep in the CFP and the Pac12 and B1G do not, but it's the worst conference. When OU beats Geo, will it still be the worst conference?

---

Look at the talent level for starters.

Windy City Ag said:

---

I thought they had a great D all year long. They lose a lot of key play-makers next year and the same issues in the trenches and at QB and RB remain.

Their recruiting class is stellar by the aggregate numbers but did not really address the team's weaknesses this year. Their line was shockingly bad all season and that likely doesn't change. Their offensive scheme was not great and their signal callers are average in Buechele's case to a Tyrone Swoopes clone in Ehlinger's case.

They likely will be mediocre to good next year as well. With Lincoln Riley rolling and now Jimbo Fisher here now, the recruiting momentum will likely slow.

They can still be great under Herman, but the bloom is definitely off the rose and the probability of Mack Brown peak glory seems a lot less probable now.

---

Bloom off the rose? Recruiting doesn't agree. And not done yet.

By the way, how pathetic are you posting on an A&M message board when we haven't played you in over 6 years?

Quote:

---

You should have bet the house on Texas because Vegas didn't agree with you.

---

If I was a gambler, I certainly would have

Quote:

---

Bloom off the rose? Recruiting doesn't agree. And not done yet.

---

Yes, bloom is somewhat off the rose. He came in with the super genius rep and it was commonly viewed that his brilliance was what allowed Houston to beat Oklahoma and FSU and put up such great records.

His coaching was less than brilliant this year and most of the Horns I know are exasperated with his offensive coordinator and O-Line coach.

Besides, as we learned with Sumlin recruiting prowess does not translate to excellent coaching. Two different matters altogether.

TheBro said:

---

fireinthehole said:

---

MO clearly beat themselves.

---

Many teams do that, especially in the face of a good defense.

---

but horn isn't a good defense. They are much better than the horn offense. Which should cause pause to horn fan. Not to mention most of the talent of the defense is gone in '18.

Aggie_Journalist said:

---

I was surprised to see after the game that Missouri outgained the sips by more than 100 yards.

Four turnovers and some timely penalties made it look like a very different contest.

---

Probably a lot easier to out gain an opponent when start every drive inside your 10 yard line. Gotta give the Texas punter a lot of credit, Best punter I've ever seen.

Bayside Tiger Ag said:

---

TheBro said:

---

Bayside Tiger Ag said:

---

Ragoo said:

---

TheBro said:

---

ironmanag said:

---

Yes. Let's tap the breaks. Give t.u. credit. They played well.

They played well against a team that started the year 1-5 and then didn't beat another team with a winning record the rest of the way.

They finished 7-6 in the BDF. We will see if they better or if they just beat a poor team.

---

You are right, but 4 of those losses were to #2, 8, 15 and 19 in the CFP.

---

and, who were the other 2 against? Would you argue the Aggies are "good" because we also lost to (4) teams in the top 25? I wouldn't.

---

The sips are puffing their chests out for a coach that went 6-6 in the worst conference in college football whie we fired one for going 7-5 in the SEC. The two programs have a different set of standards.

---

Give me an objective measure to justify saying that the B12 is the worst conference in college football. They have a rep in the CFP and the Pac12 and B1G do not, but it's the worst conference. When OU beats Geo, will it still be the worst conference?

---

Look at the talent level for starters.

---

And the wins or lack therof against other power 5 conferences. And the records of the teams, and the quality of football played on Saturdays equates to pattycake.

Having 2 good teams doesn't mean **** for a conference. There's no depth in the bdf

This is the best punter I've ever seen:

Chosen One said:

---

Probably a lot easier to out gain an opponent when start every drive inside your 10 yard line. Gotta give the Texas punter a lot of credit, Best punter I've ever seen.

---

Too young to remember Shane Lechler?

Missouri was disgraceful. You should get them kicked out of the SEC, the greatest conference in the world ever.

The very thought of losing to a team from the BDF 12-2. That should not happen to anybody.

That is like losing a bowl game to Kansas State or somebody. Disgraceful. Kick them out.

Tamu_mgm said:

---

Bayside Tiger Ag said:

---

TheBro said:

---

Bayside Tiger Ag said:

---

Ragoo said:

---

TheBro said:

---

ironmanag said:

---

Yes. Let's tap the breaks. Give t.u. credit. They played well.

They played well against a team that started the year 1-5 and then didn't beat another team with a winning record the rest of the way.

They finished 7-6 in the BDF. We will see if they better or if they just beat a poor team.

---

You are right, but 4 of those losses were to #2, 8, 15 and 19 in the CFP.

---

and, who were the other 2 against? Would you argue the Aggies are "good" because we also lost to (4) teams in the top 25? I wouldn't.

---

The sips are puffing their chests out for a coach that went 6-6 in the worst conference in college football whie we fired one for going 7-5 in the SEC. The two programs have a different set of standards.

---

Give me an objective measure to justify saying that the B12 is the worst conference in college football. They have a rep in the CFP and the Pac12 and B1G do not, but it's the worst conference. When OU beats Geo, will it still be the worst conference?

---

Look at the talent level for starters.

---

And the wins or lack therof against other power 5 conferences. And the records of the teams, and the quality of football played on Saturdays equates to pattycake.

Having 2 good teams doesn't mean **** for a conference. There's no depth in the bdf

---

They have 4 of 10 in the top 20. Who are just the two good teams? Is OSU not one of the two? They have worse talent than the American Atlantic and Conference USA? The statement is that the Big 12 is the worst conference in football. A team barely above 500 just beat an SEC team with the same record. OU is about to beat Georgia. OSU has VT and TCU has Stanford. I guess we will see if they win.

Ragoo said:

---

TheBro said:

---

fireinthehole said:

---

MO clearly beat themselves.

---

Many teams do that, especially in the face of a good defense.

---

but horn isn't a good defense. They are much better than the horn offense. Which should cause pause to horn fan. Not to mention most of the talent of the defense is gone in '18.

---

They are not a good defense? Name all the talent that is leaving from that defense who played last night. Poona Ford.

Quote:

---

4 turnovers and a high snap safety.

---

And it was still competitive at the end.

Windy City Ag said:

---

I thought they had a great D all year long. They lose a lot of key play-makers next year and the same issues in the trenches and at QB and RB remain.

Their recruiting class is stellar by the aggregate numbers but did not really address the team's weaknesses this year. Their line was shockingly bad all season and that likely doesn't change. Their offensive scheme was not great and their signal callers are average in Buechele's case to a Tyrone Swoopes clone in Ehlinger's case.

They likely will be mediocre to good next year as well. With Lincoln Riley rolling and now Jimbo Fisher here now, the recruiting momentum will likely slow.

They can still be great under Herman, but the bloom is definitely off the rose and the probability of Mack Brown peak glory seems a lot less probable now.

---

I just looked at their class. What needs are not being addressed in their top 5 class? They have 3 4 stars and 1 3 star OL and have a verbal from the second rated DT in Texas. They have 2 of the top QBs in the nation signed (both 4 stars).

TheBro said:

---

Tamu_mgm said:

---

Bayside Tiger Ag said:

---

TheBro said:

---

Bayside Tiger Ag said:

---

Ragoo said:

---

TheBro said:

---

ironmanag said:

---

Yes. Let's tap the breaks. Give t.u. credit. They played well.

They played well against a team that started the year 1-5 and then didn't beat another team with a winning record the rest of the way.

They finished 7-6 in the BDF. We will see if they better or if they just beat a poor team.

---

You are right, but 4 of those losses were to #2, 8, 15 and 19 in the CFP.

---

and, who were the other 2 against? Would you argue the Aggies are "good" because we also lost to (4) teams in the top 25? I wouldn't.

---

The sips are puffing their chests out for a coach that went 6-6 in the worst conference in college football whie we fired one for going 7-5 in the SEC. The two programs have a different set of standards.

---

Give me an objective measure to justify saying that the B12 is the worst conference in college football. They have a rep in the CFP and the Pac12 and B1G do not, but it's the worst conference. When OU beats Geo, will it still be the worst conference?

---

Look at the talent level for starters.

---

And the wins or lack therof against other power 5 conferences. And the records of the teams, and the quality of football played on Saturdays equates to pattycake.

Having 2 good teams doesn't mean **** for a conference. There's no depth in the bdf

---

They have 4 of 10 in the top 20. Who are just the two good teams? Is OSU not one of the two? They have worse talent than the American Atlantic and Conference USA? The statement is that the Big 12 is the worst conference in football. A team barely above 500 just beat an SEC team with the same record. OU is about to beat Georgia. OSU has VT and TCU has Stanford. I guess we will see if they win.

---

When you resort to predictions about future games as evidence your argument sucks.

And it's odd you compare talent to the AAC sand C-USA

2017 NFL Draft picks by conference

SEC 53
ACC 43
PAC 36
BIG 35
AAC 15
Big12 14
C-USA 9.

Talent level for the Big 12 is closer to the AAC and C-USA and those numbers show it isn't even up for debate.

1. Stop saying "their". You've already been outed as a sip. Give up the ruse.

2. One of those OL commits (the highest rated one) is going on a 2 year mission and won't be on campus until 2020.

3. Keondre Coburn DT is going to flip to A&M.

Chosen One said:

---

Aggie_Journalist said:

---

I was surprised to see after the game that Missouri outgained the sips by more than 100 yards.

Four turnovers and some timely penalties made it look like a very different contest.

---

Probably a lot easier to out gain an opponent when start every drive inside your 10 yard line. Gotta give the Texas punter a lot of credit, Best punter I've ever seen.

---

This.

There were at least 4 - 5 drives that started inside the 10 yd line. I think a horn caught most of them.

At one point, the announcer said their drive starts averaged the 15 yd line (including kickoffs!). They had no running game to speak of until #33 stepped in. Their opening drive for the 3rd qtr had tu defense on their heels. Too bad they couldn't convert.

FishingAggie said:

---

ironmanag said:

---

Yes. Let's tap the breaks. Give t.u. credit. They played well.

They played well against a team that started the year 1-5 and then didn't beat another team with a winning record the rest of the way.

They finished 7-6 in the BDF. We will see if they better or if they just beat a poor team.

---

This^^^^^^. Mizz played terrible. The worst they could play. Totally unprepared.

Fumbles, safety interception. Disgusting performance last night.

The tu defense looked better. The offense sux.

See them improving next year but losing to the regulars again. Don't see more than 8/9 wins ok the high side.

Plus they're going to lose some qb. Got wayyyyyy tooo many

---

Missouri made too many mistakes, but a bowl win is a bowl win.

We've had some fun with the Texas defections, but, if it happens here with Fisher, we'll interpret it as sloughing off dead-weight in the form of soft, unmotivated players who don't like to be challenged, clearing the way for "Jimbo's guys." I'm sure they're saying the same things in Austin.

If Texas would have had any kind of consistent QB play this year, they probably would have won (regular season) at least 7 or 8, maybe 9 (in a weak conference, but, still, not bad).

It's too early to assess Herman, but, if I was a Horns fan, I would see plenty of reasons for optimism.

Ehlinger doesn't strike me as the guy that will put it together enough on the reads to ever be a clear asset (over liability) in the passing game, but he's got guts and wheels, and you can win a lot of games like that if the D is good (and they are surprisingly good under Herman, so far).

I hope things gel quickly for us under Fisher, and that we immediately start seeing returns on Sumlin's investment in trying to build experience and depth this past season. Having said all that, a 7 win season next year, in this conference under a new coach and system, is not out of the question, particularly with OOC Clemson.

We need to start to win in 2019, though. We can preen all we want about how much more the sips need us than we need them, but if we don't pick it up a little soon, we could be playing catch-up in recruiting again. I'm still hoping for a couple of surprise recruiting wins this year, and Fisher is hinting that we could see them, but, we'll see.

Regardless, next year needs to be a great class, and we need to be competing for the division the year after.

The sips may still turn into a burnt-breakfast disaster under Herman, but they're not necessarily as far away as wishful thinking would have it...

Any way you slice it, though, Texas beat an SEC team last night, in the same bowl that we coughed up last year to KSU, and will get some mileage out of that.

That can happen with any team...one good game where everything comes together including mistakes by the favored team. It doesn't automatically result in a comeback. We've seen the Iowa States and the like do this to massively superior teams plenty of times.

The thing to be concerned about is the momentum of the game coupled with their sudden recruiting success.

The main reason we should never want success for t.u. is not related to whether or not we play each other, but because they will always be our top competitor for recruits. That is the fierce competition that will never end regardless of who's in what conference.

... and looking historically, it seams for the most part one of us is always on top while the other is struggling.
8
I hope we can make it to the top before they once again steal the torch from us.

Quote:

---

I just looked at their class. What needs are not being addressed in their top 5 class? They have 3 4 stars and 1 3 star OL and have a verbal from the second rated DT in Texas. They have 2 of the top QBs in the nation signed (both 4 stars).

---

They could have gone heavier on lineman for sure. They graduate several from the current crappy line and of the one the recruits you mention on the line is taking his LDS mission and won't be around until 2020 if ever.

Coburn is questionable to sign at this point so they have no firm D Line commiuts.

The QBs will be interesting. I will be surprised if the Oklahoma kid sticks but Cam Rising could be a good one.

The one place they really did not need help was DB and they signed 3 Safeties and 3 Corners. Maybe they will runa 4-2-5 next year??

I am going to politely ask that all of you do your best to recognize how bad Mizzou is.

Bayside Tiger Ag said:

---

1. Stop saying "their". You've already been outed as a sip. Give up the ruse.

2. One of those OL commits (the highest rated one) is going on a 2 year mission and won't be on campus until 2020.

3. Keondre Coburn DT is going to flip to A&M.

---

Speaking of resorting to future predictions. One guy is going on a mission that only you know that future event is certain and one DT is flipping that only you know that future event is certain. Okay.

Ian Neff said:

---

I am going to politely ask that all of you do your best to recognize how bad Mizzou is.

---

They suck. How good is Wake Forest?

TheBro said:

---

Ragoo said:

---

TheBro said:

---

fireinthehole said:

---

MO clearly beat themselves.

---

Many teams do that, especially in the face of a good defense.

---

but horn isn't a good defense. They are much better than the horn offense. Which should cause pause to horn fan. Not to mention most of the talent of the defense is gone in '18.

---

They are not a good defense? Name all the talent that is leaving from that defense who played last night. Poona Ford.

---

nice qualifier on the "who played last night" like that was the defense from the previous 12 games.

Good luck to horn in '18. Maybe next year you will get to 8-5.

TheBro said:

---

Ian Neff said:

---

I am going to politely ask that all of you do your best to recognize how bad Mizzou is.

---

They suck. How good is Wake Forest?

---

what does wake forest have to do with anything? The aggie team that will play tomorrow is with a lame duck staff not the supposed future. Try and keep up champ.