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Fisher? Really? Do we just not care about what an arsehat he is?

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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Bunk Moreland said:

We had a football player that was exposing himself to female tutors that our current staff was trying to 1) keep quiet from the public and 2) keep the player enrolled and on the team until it became public... At which point they had to do a full reversal.

Just FYI for all the folks who suddenly have become holier than thou
that's what I'm talking about. Sharp & Young will step in and handle the discipline.

and they have to make that clear to Fisher before hiring him. Any player involved in sexual assault / domestic assault wrongdoing will likely be dismissed...even for what may have been considered a minor offense at FSU


It's not that FSU considers sexual assault a minor offense, they just don't dismiss players that haven't been charged with anything...like all other programs including us


An indefinite suspension would have been automatic under their policies if Winston was charged.

He possibly could have been dismissed even though he wasn't charged---Fisher couldn't have done so unilaterally without agreement from several other people/offices---but Winston eventually went through the FSU disciplinary process in front of an outside arbiter and we know what the ruling was.
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FWIW, he was punished during baseball season because the shoplifting happened during baseball season. He was given community service and a suspension by the athletic department/university.

An athletic department isn't going to suspend a guy two separate times for the same incident.
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Jimbo is a top 5 winning coach right now in College Football. All you self-righteous posters on here are going to go radio silent once we get our first 10 win season with Fisher at the helm. Winning cures.
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bmks270 said:

HoustonAg2106 said:

bmks270 said:

Fisher doesn't care what happens off the field. Only FSU fans like him.

Winston's behavior at FSU:
-rape(no charges)[boosters paid and corrupt PD]
-property damage (no charges)[boosters paid and corrupt PD]
-shoplifting (suspended by baseball coach)[not Jimbo?]
-shouting obscenities demeaning women (suspended by Jimbo Fisher)[theres a pattern here]

Crimi-Noles.

Aided by a corrupt PD and boosters.



Fixed some things for you for accuracy


Fixed again. When you read the details of these events that some reporters have dig up, it's plainly obvious Jimbo and the whole town don't hold players accountable for criminole behavior.

That's okay, keep letting our daughters and other students and the community be victimized by thugs because, meh, football.


You're just making up stuff, boosters and the local police department being corrupt doesn't automatically make the coach corrupt.

And to say Jimbo doesn't punish players is just plain wrong, anytime a player is arrested and charged with a crime that player is automatically suspended from the team under Jimbo. Da'vante Phillips who is a receiver was suspended just this year for fraud and theft charges.

Jameis was never arrested or charged with a crime, therefore no suspension. The baseball coach suspended him because his crime of stealing crab legs took place in baseball season, not football season.
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kind of the bottomline...Florida State has a lot of problems with football players.

there was the Davin Cook situation and then the De'Andre Johnson episode
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Tamu_mgm said:

Jimbo is a top 5 winning coach right now in College Football. All you self-righteous posters on here are going to go radio silent once we get our first 10 win season with Fisher at the helm. Winning cures.
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W said:

kind of the bottomline...Florida State has a lot of problems with football players.

there was the Davin Cook situation and then the De'Andre Johnson episode


You just made my point. Those players were charged and suspended by Jimbo immediately...Johnson got kicked off the team
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Again, most of the Aggie consternation over Jimbo Fisher comes from actively rooting against Jameis Winston for the 2013 Heisman. Most generally know next to nothing about Fisher otherwise.
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JJxvi said:

Again, most of the Aggie consternation over Jimbo Fisher comes from actively rooting against Jameis Winston for the 2013 Heisman. Most generally know next to nothing about Fisher otherwise.


I think this is very true
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This sounds like a bunch of Tumpians in maroon suits living in their own made up universe making a terrible coaching decision because of racism. This is crazy! FSU is terrible this year. He is 4-6 and lost to Boston College! Sumlin is having a better year this year. Might as well give Sumlin a raise because that would make more sense that hiring Jimbo Fisher!
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Pluto88 said:

This sounds like a bunch of Tumpians in maroon suits living in their own made up universe making a terrible coaching decision because of racism. This is crazy! FSU is terrible this year. He is 4-6 and lost to Boston College! Sumlin is having a better year this year. Might as well give Sumlin a raise because that would make more sense that hiring Jimbo Fisher!


This is stupid. That's all.
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Pluto88 said:

This sounds like a bunch of Tumpians in maroon suits living in their own made up universe making a terrible coaching decision because of racism. This is crazy! FSU is terrible this year. He is 4-6 and lost to Boston College! Sumlin is having a better year this year. Might as well give Sumlin a raise because that would make more sense that hiring Jimbo Fisher!
This season is not the norm for Fisher. It is for Sumlin. Fisher is elite, Sumlin is not.
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Texas A&M is special because of our traditions. We place a great amount of emphasis on personal integrity as well as duty to country and each other. I submit the Corps and our football program serves as a nucleus for much of this. We all want to win - in academics, sports and life. But to compromise our values to "win" defeats the purpose and I fear that it might ultimately be the demise of those very traditions we cherish. There have been tough coaches with winning programs that demanded scholarship and civic responsibility from their players. We should demand no less from any prospective coach. Anything less means a long term "loss" for Aggies.
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Pluto88 said:

This sounds like a bunch of Tumpians in maroon suits living in their own made up universe making a terrible coaching decision because of racism. This is crazy! FSU is terrible this year. He is 4-6 and lost to Boston College! Sumlin is having a better year this year. Might as well give Sumlin a raise because that would make more sense that hiring Jimbo Fisher!


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Lots of very conflicting opinions and emotions on this thread, with morality appearing to be a common denominator. If Fisher is hired, I anticipate that distrust and/or ill will toward him will continue. Both winning and running a clean program will be his ticket to receiving support from the doubters.
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This morning early there was a Sumlin gone it's Jimbo-thread...one of many now. Someone posted that Fisher was seen at Bonfire last night. Thread deleted now. Anybody else see that? Had to be someone trolling the Zoo...right?
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Character matters to me.
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Sick of the self righteous, sanctimonious, morally superior Aggie.

All that think like this in the Athletic Department need to be fired.

And all the fans/texags posters need to go away and let us win.

You are a cancer to our athletic programs.
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I, for one, look forward to Jimbo and the rise of Maroon Baylor.
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This post wreaks of self righteous, sanctimonious, morally superior BS. The easy path is to say "Fisher condoned rape" but look at the facts and at best it's indeterminable.

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The argument "winston wasn't charged so what could Fisher do?" doesn't hold water, as Fisher's refusal to report the allegations AS HE WAS REQUIRED TO DO was the reason it wasn't investigated properly by the university at the time.

WInston wasn't charged criminally because the Tallahassee PD did not investigate, because he was an fsu player. What they DID do was notify Fisher of the allegations once the victim identified Winston as her assailant in January 2013. Fisher and members of the AD met with Winston, Casher and Darby and arranged a lawyer for winston.

*edited to correct city.
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Do you think FSU is in Tampa?
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DThe argument "winston wasn't charged so what could Fisher do?" doesn't hold water, as Fisher's refusal to report the allegations AS HE WAS REQUIRED TO DO was the reason it wasn't investigated properly by the university at the time.
No. He reported them to a superior, an assistant athletic director, then said that at the time he didn't understand the proper hierarchy for reporting the claim. We have corroborating evidence that FSU didn't have a clear Title IX policy or effective training of employees of how to report a potential Title IX problem.

We certainly don't have evidence that's he refused to report the claim to the Title IX office.

And we don't have evidence that because Jimbo went to a superior and not straight to the Title IX office, the investigation was doomed; we don't have evidence that that's that why the university didn't do an appropriate and effective investigation in a timely fashion. Folks in the administration that should have had been ensuring that happened didn't do that, as far as I understand the evidence.
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Tallahassee. Have been on the phone with Tampa coworkers all week and goofed my post.
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Fisher testified that he and Bonasorte met with Winston, Casher and Darby. They hired the attorney. They made calls to TPD, FSU police, and the AD and did nothing to pursue a university investigation.
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Clarke95 said:

Fisher testified that he and Bonasorte met with Winston, Casher and Darby. They hired the attorney. They made calls to TPD, FSU police, and the AD and did nothing to pursue a university investigation.


I don't think that's what Jimbo said but correct me if wrong. Link or something?
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[url] https://books.google.com/books?id=kJ8gDAAAQBAJ&pg=PT29&lpg=PT29&dq=jimbo+fisher+police+winston+hunting+ground&source=bl&ots=zIvNxdxy87&sig=65tIQVBK8TY2LpP0dMQWWCFoKVw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj8-d6ehNPXAhVE4YMKHcnaBFMQ6AEISTAJ#v=onepage&q=jimbo%20fisher%20police%20winston%20hunting%20ground&f=false [/url]
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Pluto88 said:

This sounds like a bunch of Tumpians in maroon suits living in their own made up universe making a terrible coaching decision because of racism. This is crazy! FSU is terrible this year. He is 4-6 and lost to Boston College! Sumlin is having a better year this year. Might as well give Sumlin a raise because that would make more sense that hiring Jimbo Fisher!
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Clarke95 said:

[url] https://books.google.com/books?id=kJ8gDAAAQBAJ&pg=PT29&lpg=PT29&dq=jimbo+fisher+police+winston+hunting+ground&source=bl&ots=zIvNxdxy87&sig=65tIQVBK8TY2LpP0dMQWWCFoKVw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj8-d6ehNPXAhVE4YMKHcnaBFMQ6AEISTAJ#v=onepage&q=jimbo%20fisher%20police%20winston%20hunting%20ground&f=false [/url]


I don't mean something from "The Hunting Ground" which has been criticized by many for being loose with the facts. (I think most agree the spirit and intention of the film/book were correct but that it's not a reliable source for particular facts.)
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From the NYT:

"In January 2013, days after Mr. Winston was identified by his accuser, senior Florida State athletic officials met privately with Mr. Winston's lawyer. Afterward, they decided, on behalf of the university, not to begin an internal disciplinary inquiry, as required by federal law.

...According to a statement released by the university on Tuesday, senior athletic department officials met with Mr. Winston's lawyer, Mr. Jansen, within days of his identification as a suspect and quickly concluded that "there were no grounds for further action." The accuser's former lawyer, Patricia A. Carroll, said the department did not contact her at the time to get her client's side of the story."

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/12/us/florida-state-football-casts-shadow-over-tallahassee-justice.html

According to the plaintiffs complaint:

https://www.espn.com/pdf/2015/0614/KinsmanCivilSuitFSU.pdf

The FSU Athletics Department Learns of the Sexual Assault and Conceals it from the School Administration

70. FSU, in concert with the Tallahassee Police, took steps to ensure that Winston's rape of Plaintiff would not be investigated by either the university or law enforcement.

71. Tallahassee Police Investigator Paul Osborn called Winston on January 22, 2013, 11 days after Plaintiff's identification of him as her rapist, to request that Winston come by for an interview.

72. Investigator Osborn then called Bonasorte and told him that Winston was suspected in a rape investigation.

73. At 5:02 p.m. on January 22, 2013, Bonasorte initiated the first of two consecutive phone calls with someone at a cellular phone number registered to a "Candice Fisher," the wife of head football coach Jimbo Fisher. Shortly after speaking with the individual using Candice Fisher's phone, Bonasorte called Tallahassee criminal defense attorney Timothy Jansen.

74. In roughly one hour following his first phone call to Candice Fisher's phone, Bonasorte talked back and forth with "Candice Fisher" and Jansen seven different times.

75. The following day, on January 23, 2013, Winston refused to appear for his scheduled interview. Instead, Jansen came in his place. Bonasorte spoke with attorney Jansen at least three additional times that day and then followed up with two more phone calls to "Candice Fisher" the following day.

76. In 2013, Bonasorte was FSU's Senior Associate Athletics Director ("SAAD"), the second in charge of FSU's Athletics Department and the individual who oversaw FSU's football program together with Fisher, FSU's head football coach. Along with FSU campus police officials, Bonasorte and Fisher were for Title IX purposes appropriate persons with authority to take corrective action, given FSU's duty to report sexual harassment and control over students on the football team.
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CaptMermethyl said:

Character matters to me.

And that is good. Me too.
Some would be okay with hiring an embezzling pedophile if they thought that person could win a title.
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It's funny how all the self righteous posters on this thread are holding Jimbo out as a rape enabler.

I guess if their own son were accused of rape, and the police investigated, and no charges were brought, and no indictment was made, they'd still want their son to go to prison because of the optics.

Just to sharpen the point for the morally superior, self impressed, Winston is scum. But that doesn't transfer to Jimbo just because you want it to. What would you have had Jimbo do? Kick Winston off the team? For what?


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The optics on this guy are pretty bad, and where it is expected of the criminoles we'll be held accountable if he fails to keep his 'mean guys' on a short leash. If he doesn't we will get nailed...CSPD is not Tallahassee PD either, or it wasn't, they won't be looking the other way.

Combine the cost, baggage and likelihood we won't tolerate the Tallahassee nonsense, this potential hire seems risky. No?
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BRabbit8 said:

He has proven he can win.
This right here is how Art Briles happens
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