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Because he is in charge. Just Like sumlin was when we seemingly had someone arrested monthly.

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Well I don't think that's Sumlins fault either and it won't hinder Sumlin from getting another job just like it won't and shouldn't for Jimbo

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TXAggie2011 said:

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OldArmy91 said:

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YEAH, It was shared. He knew it. Then he paraded out in front of the cameras more than once with dumbass remarks and stupid looks on his face like he was mentally handicapped. I said youtube. Don't take my word for it.

What he did was truly pathetic. Briles looks good compared to what he did. But Baylor is a lot closer so who cares about what's happening across the country. Old rivals still carry weight on message boards.

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You can dislike Jimbo and be against hiring him without having to use the line "Briles looks good..." or throwing a hissy fit about Baylor getting too much relative attention.

I don't really get why you keep going back to Art Briles and Baylor thread after thread. I guess I know what you're trying to do, but I find that a weird argument.

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I'm comparing Briles to Fisher, and pointing out the obscene hypocrisy considering how loathed Briles is yet he did FAR LESS than Fisher.

Is this plain enough for you, or do I need to somehow make it simpler to understand?

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briles did FAR LESS than fisher?

please explain that one.

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Good god why don't people do their own research instead of relying on message boards?

Without going into details, Briles never let those guys play, Jimbo did because his coveted NC was on the line. Briles didn't get in front of cameras and lie his ass off and politick. Jimbo attacked the credibility of the rape victim. IN PUBLIC. Briles was hands-off.

I'm done holding hands.

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are you saying briles got a raw deal?

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At the very least, one can see that the Tallahassee pd, da and fsu' s ad didn't exactly put this investigation at the top of their list

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Small town. State capitol. Deep South. FSU is a big chunk of their economy. Hell, the Mayor is likely involved or a state pol or pols.

The same crap happened in Austin for a 100 years. They still have natties and some consider them a big program, despite their near decade long swoon.

At this point, I'm thinking Fisher was a pipe dream and he's leaving FSU for somewhere else. Just hope it's not Auburn.

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Hanrahan said:

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I can't believe this is getting repeated mention. He is falling apart at FSU and he comes across to me as one of the most unlikeable coaches who you get the feeling does everything underhanded and unethical at every opportunity.... really hope he is just using us to not get fired by FSU or something

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Nope, he wins football games and that's all I want from a football coach

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That's what Baylor said.

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Because he is in charge. Just Like sumlin was when we seemingly had someone arrested monthly.

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Jimbo isn't in charge of the police, the athletic department, or Florida State University.

At least he has some fire on the bench and will get on his players! Sumlin is too laid back

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OldArmy91 said:

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YEAH, It was shared. He knew it. Then he paraded out in front of the cameras more than once with dumbass remarks and stupid looks on his face like he was mentally handicapped. I said youtube. Don't take my word for it.

What he did was truly pathetic. Briles looks good compared to what he did. But Baylor is a lot closer so who cares about what's happening across the country. Old rivals still carry weight on message boards.

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You can dislike Jimbo and be against hiring him without having to use the line "Briles looks good..." or throwing a hissy fit about Baylor getting too much relative attention.

I don't really get why you keep going back to Art Briles and Baylor thread after thread. I guess I know what you're trying to do, but I find that a weird argument.

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I'm comparing Briles to Fisher, and pointing out the obscene hypocrisy considering how loathed Briles is yet he did FAR LESS than Fisher.

Is this plain enough for you, or do I need to somehow make it simpler to understand?

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I understand what you're trying to do.

I'm telling you I find it weird to be trying to frame an argument about Jimbo this way, or direct this discussion towards Art Briles.

Surely we can discuss Jimbo Fisher without trying to prop up Art Briles and Baylor.

p.s. Stop insulting everyone. It doesn't help.

That's true. Read the articles. The info was out there. It ignorant to believe the hc at such a university wss in the dark.

Winston and the way he was handled is a pretty big red flag regarding jimbo.

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At least he has some fire on the bench and will get on his players! Sumlin is too laid back

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Fans too.

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If we were to hire fisher and texags still wasn't happy, it would officially prove there is no way to make texags happy. I really don't see how you can expect a more proven hire.

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If people have a problem with rape, i think that's ok.

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So don't let Jamies Winston near the program. Otherwise you're condemning a man for listening to his player and not suspending him without proof. Most coaches probably do the same.

I've noticed we have a lot of holier than thou, guilty until proven innocent types at A&M

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That's true. Read the articles. The info was out there. It ignorant to believe the hc at such a university wss in the dark.

Winston and the way he was handled is a pretty big red flag regarding jimbo.

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I don't think Jimbo was in the dark, he just waited for the results of the investigation and when the police and DA decided to not charge Jameis he let him play...that's how all coaches handle this situation

Fisher and briles aren't even close. This is absurd. No proof whatsoever that he was part of a cover up. If there was he wouldn't be a head coach, just like briles

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Irish_Man said:

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If we were to hire fisher and texags still wasn't happy, it would officially prove there is no way to make texags happy. I really don't see how you can expect a more proven hire.

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If people have a problem with rape, i think that's ok.

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So don't let Jamies Winston near the program. Otherwise you're condemning a man for listening to his player and not suspending him without proof. Most coaches probably do the same.

I've noticed we have a lot of holier than thou, guilty until proven innocent types at A&M

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why don't you have a seat over there?

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Fisher and briles aren't even close. This is absurd. No proof whatsoever that he was part of a cover up. If there was he wouldn't be a head coach, just like briles

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Exactly!

There is no coach we would want who would have handled it any differently.

If there was evidence Winston was a rapist, he wouldn't be playing in the NFL.

Welcome to the real world.

All of you idiots saying what Jimbo may or may not have done in Winston thing is even close to what Briles did are literally bat sh$t crazy! Seriously, go check yourself in somewhere for treatment.

Where is proof, for example, Jimbo sent coaches to accusers apartment to "convince" her she didn't want to make noise?

Personally I think in a he said she said situation if the police and DA don't do anything I'm not sure what you expect a football coach to do...act like Roger Godell?

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If you throw out this year, he has an .800 win percentage at FSU, 3 conference championships, 1 national championship, and 5 bowl wins in 7 years. He has got multiple QB's in the NFL. His teams play defense. Throw in the fact he comes from the Sabam coaching tree. That's what gets peoples attention.

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The ACC was terrible until the last couple of years. A decent coach could do those things at FSU given all he had. Why should we drop 40+ million on what amounts to a decent coach.

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Does anyone have an article linking his exact role in the alleged rape? I know the cops looked the other way but I haven't seen anything that indicates they did so at his request. Is it not possible the police there simply give the local players preferential treatment regardless of who the coach is?

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You're playing dumb (I think you're playing). He didn't have to 'direct' the police or the university to look the other way; that's not the issue. The issue is he had more than enough evidence to act himself and chose not to to win a **** game. Articles on the facts he ignored at the bottom.

We know many of the details of the whole Winston scandal. So did Jimbo. They've been published in the New York Times and elsewhere. It wasn't that the police COULDN'T do anything - they intentionally botched the investigation. Jimbo 'was supposed to' / should have kicked him off the team. Jimbo apologists on this board act like 'Jimbo was helpless to do anything.' He wasn't. He (and his apologists here) hide behind the corrupt system's decision to let it go, but even if they were right that it 'couldn't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt' (they weren't) for purposes of a criminal trial, Jimbo still wasn't incapable of kicking him off the team for 'more likely than not' violating university conduct policy, regardless of what the state, the school, or anyone else did.

The girl did everything you could ask for of a rape victim: she quickly reported it and had a rape kit performed, there was DNA, some bruising and blood, and he wasn't a 'star' player at that point. Also, the other DNA was apparently from her boyfriend who was OUT OF TOWN that night (that some of you are so eager to jump on Winston's attorney's talking points is sad). Winston had another accuser, Winston 'declined to be interviewed,' his friend deleted video evidence (reasonable inference is it was bad for Winston), the first 'statements' from them on the matter appear to be the friends' affidavits (likely drafted by Winston's lawyer who consulted with police, who did everything they could to slow down the investigation - see the links below) and one of the friends made a Facebook post indicating consciousness of guilt shortly after the night in question. That's more than enough to take it to a jury, they just chose not to in that cesspool.

Beyond a reasonable doubt is greater than clear & convincing evidence, which is greater than a preponderance (more likely than not). That's how OJ could be sued (and lose) a wrongful death suit after being 'acquitted' by a jury (by the way, Winston and FSU have both settled civil suits with the victim). Jimbo had far more than enough to kick him off the team. The fact that no one else in that cesspool did the right thing didn't make it ok for him to turn a blind eye to it so he could win a game.

Jimbo's a scumbag, and decent Aggies will raise hell if they try to bring him here. Fire Jimbo, fire the athletic director, fire anyone who helped make it happen. Particularly given recent events in the news, I can't imagine they'd be that stupidly myopic. A&M can never value winning a game above a woman's life. We're not Baylor or Florida State.

And some of you (I'm disgusted to say far more than I thought possible) need to read your own defense of Jimbo and then go read old posts on Baylorfans around the time the rape scandal was coming out. See if you can tell the difference between your posts and theirs ('player X wasn't found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt yet, the coaches were helpless to do anything!'). I can't, and outsiders who aren't deluded won't be able to either. In some ways it's worse here, because their fans were trying to defend their school after the fact and just refused to see the truth. You people are willfully choosing to pursue a scumbag like that to maybe win a game.

If it's a choice between losing every game from here to eternity and condoning rape and rape enablers, it should be an easy decision. I'm not going to ask what you'd choose - I'm afraid to see your answer. In any event, it's not a choice between losing or scumbag Jimbo. It's a choice between losing, scumbag Jimbo, or dozens of other good coaches who can win without enabling rapists. The following links include much of what he chose to ignore - I'm betting it won't matter to a lot of you apologists though.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/16/sports/errors-in-inquiry-on-rape-allegations-against-fsu-jameis-winston.html

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/01/25/florida_state_pays_landmark_title_ix_settlement_over_alleged_jameis_winston.html

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https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/bmwev5/jameis-winston-quarterback-accused-of-rape

[public defender who's faced prosecutions based on less evidence]
https://deadspin.com/why-i-believe-jameis-winstons-accuser-1479782169

a couple of comments on the Winston thing...

1. have to hope that Jimbo has learned from that experience.

2. the FSU administration let Jimbo be the face of the program/university / the #1 spokesman through that whole affair.

Sharp & Young would step in and take over if an incident like that happened at A&M. And by "take over" I mean become the primary spokesperson and primary disciplinarian.

I'm sure that will or has been a point of discussion during the contract negotiation

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Is OP British? What's with "arsehat"?

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Probably a hipster trying to be worldly.

Anybody that expects to hold Jimbo Fisher to some higher moral standard should not stop watching A&M if we hire him, but stop watching football. Football gave Winston everything, celebrity attention, millions of dollars, #1 pick, it voted him to win the Heisman trophy and after all this same stuff was known. Jimbo is supposed to kick him off his team, but the entire football world gets a pass for voting this guy for college footballs most prestigious award? The reality is that the paragon of virtue you expect from your coach does not exist.

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Ok so all this information was shared with Fisher? Please point me to where that is stated.

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So... the evidence was highlighted in the New York Times and numerous other publications, but you're suggesting the coach whose star player was at the center of the scandal that made national news never heard about it? I don't know that you had any credibility to begin with, but whatever you had is gone now.

Fisher was made aware on Jan 22, 2013 that Winston was a suspect in a sexual assault. He did not report it to Title IX office as he was required. Fisher testifies thst he and the #2 at the AD office met with Winston, Casher and Darby and Winston's attorney and chose not to report the incident further. FSU phone records showed dozens of calls over the next few days between fisher, the Athletic department, TPD, FSU police. They did nothing despite FSU policy stating all incidents of sexual assault must be investigated and resolved within 60 days.

FSU settled a $950k lawsuit on how they mishandled this case.

Fisher is garbage. Anyone hoping he'd "learned from it" would expect him to admit fault, admit he handled it wrong, express compassion for the victim - not call Jameis the victim. F HIM.

Don't you think it interesting that your articles implicate specific people and offices---they even directly accuse Bobby Bowden, by name, of trying to involve himself in an investigation---yet only one mentions Jimbo Fisher?

And the extent of that mention is to say Jimbo Fisher knew about the claims a month after they were made---and we know that when he heard the claims, he told a superior.

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Fisher was made aware on Jan 22, 2013 that Winston was a suspect in a sexual assault. He did not report it to Title IX office as he was required.

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He told a superior, at a time that we know that FSU was doing a poor job running its Title IX "office" and had an unclear Title IX policy...and was doing a poor job educating employees on Title IX, the Title IX office, and the university's Title IX policies.

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FSU phone records showed dozens of calls over the next few days between fisher, the Athletic department, TPD, FSU police.

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I'm happy to be corrected, but as far as what I've ever seen, any records we have involving Jimbo Fisher weren't abnormal or shown to have a link to the police departments.

If tu or Baylor were hiring this guy, y'all would be taking him across the coals. Fisher and Winston were excoriated on this board when Jameis beat johnny for the 2013 Heisman.

Do people really not believe that Jimbo is an upgrade over Sumlin?

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Don't you think it interesting that your articles implicate specific people and offices---they even directly accuse Bobby Bowden, by name, of trying to involve himself in an investigation---yet only one mentions Jimbo....

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Again- you're playing dumb. I never said J imbo controlled the police investigation. Read my post- he had far more than enough evidence to kick him off the team, and he chose football over the right thing. It wasn't a close call - regardless of what everyone else in that cesspool did.

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If tu or Baylor were hiring this guy, y'all would be taking him across the coals. Fisher and Winston were excoriated on this board when Jameis beat johnny for the 2013 Heisman.

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I don't believe I excoriated either one. I'm almost positive I didn't say a thing about either one.

If Baylor was hiring this guy, I'd say that seems like one terrible PR move. If the Longhorns were hiring this guy, I'm pretty sure I'd have the same thing I have now---a lot of people in Tallahassee that deserve to be "taken across the coals" but I've not seen that Fisher is one of those people.


I'd rather hire Chip Kelly, by the way. And there are other good coaches out there beyond Jimbo Fisher.

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Don't you think it interesting that your articles implicate specific people and offices---they even directly accuse Bobby Bowden, by name, of trying to involve himself in an investigation---yet only one mentions Jimbo....

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Again- you're playing dumb. I never said J imbo controlled the police investigation. Read my post- he had far more than enough evidence to kick him off the team, and he chose football over the right thing. It wasn't a close call - regardless of what everyone else in that cesspool did.

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you don't think that jimbo was busy preparing the football team? jimbo was doing his job. in the real world, you rely on the authorities and your superiors to do their jobs. they apparently didn't do a good job. how that all of a sudden becomes jimbo's fault is a leap of logic on your part.

in hindsight land, he would probably have liked to have done something.

i'm not full in on the jimbo train, either. but, this moral grandstanding is getting tiresome.

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Don't you think it interesting that your articles implicate specific people and offices---they even directly accuse Bobby Bowden, by name, of trying to involve himself in an investigation---yet only one mentions Jimbo....

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Again- you're playing dumb. I never said J imbo controlled the police investigation. Read my post- he had far more than enough evidence to kick him off the team, and he chose football over the right thing. It wasn't a close call - regardless of what everyone else in that cesspool did.

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Jimbo wouldn't have had to control the police investigation to have been terribly in the wrong.

You didn't answer the question.

I know that you wanted Jimbo to take unilateral action, basically unilaterally have a student conduct hearing and effectively kick Jameis out of school. I'm not playing dumb about that, but I don't think that's usually how that works at a university. Having read their code of conduct policy, I'm not sure that would have even been possible.

He could and should have kicked him off the team. The fact that others did the wrong thing didn't make it okay for him to follow suit. Your 'he was too busy coaching' argument is incredibly weak. I seem to recall other coaches 'having time' to discipline or remove players.