Regardless of recruiting ranks, season records, or if we do ever win the Natty... Aggies will find something to ***** about. It is who we are and likely why we can't have nice things.

The following teams are better than 1-9 against Alabama and LSU

1. Ole Miss
2. Arkansas
3. Auburn
4. Ohio State
5. Oklahoma
6. Florida
7. Clemson
8. Georgia
9. Notre Dame

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I agree 100% but who else is NOT 1-9 in the last 5 years against those two teams?

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Who else has the best facilities in CF and is making $5m / year

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These posts are for January. Right now he's our coach for this season and we'd best support him. If the results aren't there at the end of November then it's time to light fires.

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I disagree. I'll blindly give a coach 3 years. The 4th year...no more excuses...he's under a microscope.

Year 5...show me or pack your bags....and that's being generous because this should be a year 4 ultimatum.

We'd best support him? How about he'd best get to coaching?

I'd imagine you best have your matches ready around October 8th.

So you think we should fire him now and hire someone between now and September? Awesome. I love this board.

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The following teams are better than 1-9 against Alabama and LSU

1. Ole Miss
2. Arkansas
3. Auburn
4. Ohio State
5. Oklahoma
6. Florida
7. Clemson
8. Georgia
9. Notre Dame

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Pretty salty bunch.
Even Arkie. So, if they're 2-8, that's some significant difference? No.

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Hugh Freeze is 4-4 against them for one, with less resources than us.

Not that I'm saying we should replace Sumlin with Hugh Freeze, just giving an example because I think there are plenty of coaches that could have more than 1 win against those 2 teams after 5 years. Lets hope Sumlin is one of them, meaning beating 1 or both of them this year.

These are juggernaut teams, no doubt, but that doesn't mean we should just accept our place and think 1-9 is just fine because gee golly, every coach would be 1-9 against them.

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Less resources. They are straight up paying players and not even trying to hide it.

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everytime i see anyone, us or anyone else, use that argument I shake my head.

Drive by probably any athletic parking lot at any D1 power 5 conference school. Pull head out of sand and take a look around at all the fine automobiles.

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So you think we should fire him now and hire someone between now and September? Awesome. I love this board.

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I realize you're a big summy cheerleader, so I'll just wait until the end of the year...actually before the end of the year, because if they fool around and wait until December, you'll be back cheerleading saying it's too late to fire him because it will mess up signing day/recruiting.

Surely you can't sit there with a straight face and not acknowledge that Arkansas gifted us the last 2 games. 7-6 over the last couple of years...would that make a difference to you?

I'm confused...are you here to praise Caesar or to bury him??

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Hugh Freeze is 4-4 against them for one, with less resources than us.

Not that I'm saying we should replace Sumlin with Hugh Freeze, just giving an example because I think there are plenty of coaches that could have more than 1 win against those 2 teams after 5 years. Lets hope Sumlin is one of them, meaning beating 1 or both of them this year.

These are juggernaut teams, no doubt, but that doesn't mean we should just accept our place and think 1-9 is just fine because gee golly, every coach would be 1-9 against them.

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Less resources. They are straight up paying players and not even trying to hide it.

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everytime i see anyone, us or anyone else, use that argument I shake my head.

Drive by probably any athletic parking lot at any D1 power 5 conference school. Pull head out of sand and take a look around at all the fine automobiles.

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100% This! As much as this board likes to harp on some cow colleges F-250s just drive by our own football practices and tell me how many hoopties you see? Our guys are not getting left out in the cold or doing with out.

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Hugh Freeze is 4-4 against them for one, with less resources than us.

Not that I'm saying we should replace Sumlin with Hugh Freeze, just giving an example because I think there are plenty of coaches that could have more than 1 win against those 2 teams after 5 years. Lets hope Sumlin is one of them, meaning beating 1 or both of them this year.

These are juggernaut teams, no doubt, but that doesn't mean we should just accept our place and think 1-9 is just fine because gee golly, every coach would be 1-9 against them.

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Less resources. They are straight up paying players and not even trying to hide it.

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Again, please see the rankings. They have not recruited any more talent than us the past 4 years.

2012, 2014, and 2015 were all better classes for us. They were better in 2013 and 2016(who hasn't played a game yet). The average recruiting rankings the past 5 years are virtually identical.

They had 3 great 5 stars in the 2013 class, which yes, they straight up paid for. People let that cloud their judgement into thinking they are so much more talented than us. No, they were just better coached the past 2-3 years.

Yes, we have more resources to recruit with than them. Every few years or so they buy and pay for a class to keep up. 2013 and 2016 the obvious examples.

So with your logic, if we can't beat Bama and LSU ever because they are so far ahead of us, then we shouldn't ever lose to Miss State or Louisville type teams. But since we have, that still puts Sumlin behind the 8 ball unless he can start upsetting Bama and LSU teams more.

How anyone can defend a 1-9 record against these two teams is beyond me. Regardless of where we started, that's still a poor job. We're currently 1-7. All I'm asking is to be 2-8 after 5 years. That isn't asking too much, regardless of where we started.

Now if we went 11-2 and our only 2 losses were to bama and lsu, I suppose I'll let that one slide . It's just much more likely we upset one of these two teams than lose to both and win every other game.

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We'll need more than 4. Last year the 10th ranked class had 2 five stars and 10 four stars. We will be lucky to land 1 five star, although at this point I don't see us landing any. Without a five star, we pretty much need 13-14 four stars and only have six at this point.

A lot will come down to whether some of our current guys get bumped up, otherwise despite our current ranking, we're looking more at the 13-18 range as of now than top 10.

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You guys take these rankings waaay too seriously.

Would you rather have a 5 star smurf at QB who played against suspect competition or a 3 star 6' 6" QB who played against tough competition? We all know who Mazzone preferred.

His teammate from Pearland isn't ranked all that high either but he is a 6'3" Corner that can lay the wood. Not many of those. Hence why The Chief likes tall DBs. I think we all remember how Harris would get manhandled by big WRs.

Likewise, Green is a smart, athletic 6'6" 270
O Lineman that Turner can turn into a beast in a couple of years.

Bottom line is that Mazzone, Chavis and Turner scout talent better than these recruiting services. If these three are getting the players they want, we will compete against Bama and LSU.

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Why only mention QB? What about the fact that our DL is loaded with virtually all 4/5 star recruits and coincidentally is our best unit on the field this upcoming season, and is rated in the top 5 in the country by some early predictions. By the way, Mazzone preferred the highly rated 4 star Mond over them all, so not sure that's a good example anyways.

Yes, Mazzone, Chavis, and Turner scout talent better than the recruiting services, which is why when I see us miss on a ton of 4/5 star recruits from our own backyard that our staff offers first, it concerns me. Just because we land a 3 star doesn't mean our staff thought he was as good as the dozen 4/5 stars we offered at the same position. If we land a solid percentage of our top tier offers, we pull in top 10 classes most years. It's no coincidence that all of our 4/5 star offers have offers from all over the sec whereas most of our 3 stars have lesser offer lists(not all, but on the average). Of course some 3 stars will turn out great, but that doesn't mean you should just blindly believe because you trust these coaches evaluations, when their very own evaluations will lead you to realize that they want the 4/5 star guys too, if you were actually pay attention.

The issue is your last sentence. On the whole, we aren't getting as high of a percentage of players that we want as those teams. That puts us at a disadvantage, no matter how some try to spin it. Currently, we lead for only 1 of the states top 10 prospects, all of whom we've offered. Lets not pretend like our staff doesn't want these guys and all the guys we are landing are our top choices. They simply aren't. That's where evaluations come into play and yes, if you evaluate well, you can mitigate some of the damage of not landing your first line of offers. But that still puts you behind when comparing to LSU, Bama, and even teams like Tennessee, Auburn, or Ole Miss(on their money years)

In my humble opinion, I prefer our coaching staff to "coach up" the 3-4 star players that want to be an Aggie....than have a team of 5 star primadonnas that walk around with a spirit of entitlement.
I see the whole "climate" of our football team changing in a very positive way. I also see Coach Sumlin finally "getting it" in a very positive way!

Without those 5 stars Garrett, Kirk, and Mack, how would you be feeling about this team? Or even Ricky Seals Jones and Speedy Noil(who by the way, for his struggles, is still better than the majority of 3 stars we have recruited the past decade)

We have about a 75% hit rate on 5 stars becoming at least good to great players whereas a less than 25% on 3 stars, but all some can talk about are the few 3 stars that overachieve and the few 5 stars that underachieve.

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These posts are for January. Right now he's our coach for this season and we'd best support him. If the results aren't there at the end of November then it's time to light fires.

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I disagree. I'll blindly give a coach 3 years. The 4th year...no more excuses...he's under a microscope.

Year 5...show me or pack your bags....and that's being generous because this should be a year 4 ultimatum.

We'd best support him? How about he'd best get to coaching?

I'd imagine you best have your matches ready around October 8th.

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I guess you'd have fired Nick Saban from Michigan State then. Hovered around .500 and lost in toilet bowls in years #1 thru #3.
Then in year #4 he went .500 and didn't even make a bowl game.

You might have even fired him after year #5 at LSU too. After 13-1 and winning Natty in year #4, they fell to 9-3 and lost in the Capital One bowl in year #5.
I mean really, that's an unacceptable drop. Good thing the NFL showed interest in such a shiitty coach, otherwise LSU had a tough decision there.

I agree, there are exceptions to the 5 star players.....like Garrett and Mack. But the other extreme which we've experienced is ugly. I'm all about getting the 5 stars.....IF and only IF their head is on straight and bleed Maroon and White like the rest of us!

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I agree 100% but who else is NOT 1-9 in the last 5 years against those two teams?

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Best facilities? They're certainly outstanding, but there are plenty of great stadiums, weight rooms, locker rooms, etc. out there, and there is definitely a point where everything becomes subjective and/or blurred in the eyes of the recruits.

$5m / year? Paying your coach $1-2MM more than your competitors pay their coaches => higher expectations => motivation to work hard, but do you think Sumlin is somehow working $1-2MM harder than the other coaches? Of course not. And even if he is, hard work is just one factor. It doesn't guarantee better decisions or good fortune.

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I disagree. I'll blindly give a coach 3 years. The 4th year...no more excuses...he's under a microscope.

Year 5...show me or pack your bags....and that's being generous because this should be a year 4 ultimatum.

We'd best support him? How about he'd best get to coaching?

I'd imagine you best have your matches ready around October 8th.

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I guess you'd have fired Nick Saban from Michigan State then. Hovered around .500 and lost in toilet bowls in years #1 thru #3.
Then in year #4 he went .500 and didn't even make a bowl game.

You might have even fired him after year #5 at LSU too. After 13-1 and winning Natty in year #4, they fell to 9-3 and lost in the Capital One bowl in year #5.
I mean really, that's an unacceptable drop. Good thing the NFL showed interest in such a shiitty coach, otherwise LSU had a tough decision there.

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Saban at Michigan State is a good example of patience paying off, but they are few and far between. I can think of Nick Saban and Dabo Swinney as guys who suffered their first 4 or 5 years and went on to great success. Dabo is the only one who did it at his current stop that I can think of. I don't know why you even mentioned LSU. There's no comparison to what he did there versus Sumlin here so that was just a poor example.

All in all it's very simple. Kevin Sumlin took over a program that had the best QB and arguably the best OL in the county. Now, he does get credit for winning with them, but it certainly made his job easier both on the field and in recruiting the first couple of years. It helped us pull in a top 10 class in 2013, top 5 in 2014, and borderline top 10 in 2015. The momentum gained from that was substantial.

Simply put, Sumlin needs to start winning now otherwise it's just going to get harder and harder for him to win here as we get further and further removed from the Manziel era and it's clear he isn't going to be able to recruit off of that any more. Now, all he can do to help recruiting is work his tail off and win on the field. I don't think it's at all unreasonable to think that 9-3 seasons(at a minimum most years) should be the norm from this point forward. I think here at A&m we are capable of average 10+ wins a year including the bowl game, so 9-3, 10-2 seasons should be regular occurrences. In a down year, a competitive 8-4 is acceptable every now and then.

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Hugh Freeze is 4-4 against them for one, with less resources than us.

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You sure about that? I think Freeze has had an incredible amount of re$ource$ to work with at Ole Miss IYKWIM. That ridiculous 2013 class he signed reeked of re$ource$.

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When we sign a top five class this year, will it reek of resources or will we just say its solid recruiting? And if we have a mediocre year , who's fault will it be this time?.....we've run out of coordinators to blame.

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ole miss has been 20s even down to 41 in 2012, then suddenly in 2013 #7. Immediately back to the 20s then right back to #8 last year. Interesting, no?

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Ha! Freeze has out-recruited and out- coached Sumlin since he has been in charge over there, and with less resources and less pay. If we were significant or a threat to Alabama/LSU/Auburn we would get caught for little crap too......Don't forget how hard they went after Johnny!!!...There is hidden money everywhere, including right here in College Station, just look or ask around ....no one cares until you are a threat, and we are not......and if you are the Big Boy , you can get away with rented cars full of cash ,drugs, illegal guns and Alabama football players...... Sumlin has not made us significant, Johnny did for a brief moment...hopefully this is the year...these are all his players.Pressure is on.

Hugh Freeze is a slime ball. But thats just my opinion but I base it on some fairly good evidence. He also beat Bama on a fluke play last year. And, to top it all off he happened on a juco QB that turned out to be playin way over his head. QB is very important as everyone knows. And Freeze lucked up on what he got. I cant say he is a better coach than Sumlin in that regard. Comparing apples to apples with A&M's QB situation since Johnny left and I'd say Sumlin has fared better that most could despite all the setbacks.

How bout we let the season play out. See if we can keep everyone healthy, and give stability a chance to shine. In regard to beating Bama and LSU. You think you're gonna come in here and dethrone two established NFL farm clubs in a scant matter of a few years. Then most of you are dumber than I thought. It takes time to build the depth across the board to compete at their level. And they have had a lot of years to get to where they are. After Sumlins first year the cupboard got bare in a hurry and we played how many freshman the next 2 years. Freakin Saban got 5* guys redshirting and sitting on the bench. We havent had that luxury. And freshman dang sure cant compete against them either. It takes time to build that kind of program. But I can say that Sumlin has addressed areas of need across the board since he's been here. He's tried some coaches that failed. But who hasnt. He addressed those failures and continues to improve.

I'm optimistic. Auburn went to the MNC and they had a really fluke season on some really fluke plays. It takes a special kind of year to compete for the Championship. Maybe we can have it maybe we wont. But if everyone stays healthy throughout the year we may have a shot if the offense clicks early on. We'll see. We'll see if all the chips fall in the right place. We can revisit after a few games and get a gauge how things are going. But until we see the game play, everything else is just noise.

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Hugh Freeze is a slime ball. But thats just my opinion but I base it on some fairly good evidence. He also beat Bama on a fluke play last year. And, to top it all off he happened on a juco QB that turned out to be playin way over his head. QB is very important as everyone knows. And Freeze lucked up on what he got. I cant say he is a better coach than Sumlin in that regard. Comparing apples to apples with A&M's QB situation since Johnny left and I'd say Sumlin has fared better that most could despite all the setbacks.

How bout we let the season play out. See if we can keep everyone healthy, and give stability a chance to shine. In regard to beating Bama and LSU. You think you're gonna come in here and dethrone two established NFL farm clubs in a scant matter of a few years. Then most of you are dumber than I thought. It takes time to build the depth across the board to compete at their level. And they have had a lot of years to get to where they are. After Sumlins first year the cupboard got bare in a hurry and we played how many freshman the next 2 years. Freakin Saban got 5* guys redshirting and sitting on the bench. We havent had that luxury. And freshman dang sure cant compete against them either. It takes time to build that kind of program. But I can say that Sumlin has addressed areas of need across the board since he's been here. He's tried some coaches that failed. But who hasnt. He addressed those failures and continues to improve.

I'm optimistic. Auburn went to the MNC and they had a really fluke season on some really fluke plays. It takes a special kind of year to compete for the Championship. Maybe we can have it maybe we wont. But if everyone stays healthy throughout the year we may have a shot if the offense clicks early on. We'll see. We'll see if all the chips fall in the right place. We can revisit after a few games and get a gauge how things are going. But until we see the game play, everything else is just noise.

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Does Freeze's teams ever get smoked like ours does in big games? We get demolished at Kyle regularly in big games with Sumlin.

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Saban at Michigan State is a good example of patience paying off, but they are few and far between. I can think of Nick Saban and Dabo Swinney as guys who suffered their first 4 or 5 years and went on to great success. Dabo is the only one who did it at his current stop that I can think of. I don't know why you even mentioned LSU. There's no comparison to what he did there versus Sumlin here so that was just a poor example.

All in all it's very simple. Kevin Sumlin took over a program that had the best QB and arguably the best OL in the county. Now, he does get credit for winning with them, but it certainly made his job easier both on the field and in recruiting the first couple of years. It helped us pull in a top 10 class in 2013, top 5 in 2014, and borderline top 10 in 2015. The momentum gained from that was substantial.

Simply put, Sumlin needs to start winning now otherwise it's just going to get harder and harder for him to win here as we get further and further removed from the Manziel era and it's clear he isn't going to be able to recruit off of that any more. Now, all he can do to help recruiting is work his tail off and win on the field. I don't think it's at all unreasonable to think that 9-3 seasons(at a minimum most years) should be the norm from this point forward. I think here at A&m we are capable of average 10+ wins a year including the bowl game, so 9-3, 10-2 seasons should be regular occurrences. In a down year, a competitive 8-4 is acceptable every now and then.

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The LSU comment was just to be a smartazz.
Aside from that, I generally agree w the rest of where you are, just with some perspective added as a footnote.

The 4 year turnaround to dominance isn't as normal as you make it out to be. It's happened, yes. And while Sumlin isn't Saban or Meyer, he's not a slapstick either. And aside from stealing a Saban/Meyer, who you gonna go get? Herman is Sumlin 2.0 from the same ol' Coog High.

And to expect the 4 year turnaround to dominance while being in the SEC makes it even harder. It's hard as F just to stay consistently competitive in the SEC, let alone be dominant. Richt? Spurrier? Fulmer?

I agree we can get there, with our resources and backing, etc. And that we SHOULD get there. Just not in the microwave 4 to 5 year span.

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Saban at Michigan State is a good example of patience paying off, but they are few and far between. I can think of Nick Saban and Dabo Swinney as guys who suffered their first 4 or 5 years and went on to great success. Dabo is the only one who did it at his current stop that I can think of. I don't know why you even mentioned LSU. There's no comparison to what he did there versus Sumlin here so that was just a poor example.

All in all it's very simple. Kevin Sumlin took over a program that had the best QB and arguably the best OL in the county. Now, he does get credit for winning with them, but it certainly made his job easier both on the field and in recruiting the first couple of years. It helped us pull in a top 10 class in 2013, top 5 in 2014, and borderline top 10 in 2015. The momentum gained from that was substantial.

Simply put, Sumlin needs to start winning now otherwise it's just going to get harder and harder for him to win here as we get further and further removed from the Manziel era and it's clear he isn't going to be able to recruit off of that any more. Now, all he can do to help recruiting is work his tail off and win on the field. I don't think it's at all unreasonable to think that 9-3 seasons(at a minimum most years) should be the norm from this point forward. I think here at A&m we are capable of average 10+ wins a year including the bowl game, so 9-3, 10-2 seasons should be regular occurrences. In a down year, a competitive 8-4 is acceptable every now and then.

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The LSU comment was just to be a smartazz.
Aside from that, I generally agree w the rest of where you are, just with some perspective added as a footnote.

The 4 year turnaround to dominance isn't as normal as you make it out to be. It's happened, yes. And while Sumlin isn't Saban or Meyer, he's not a slapstick either. And aside from stealing a Saban/Meyer, who you gonna go get? Herman is Sumlin 2.0 from the same ol' Coog High.

And to expect the 4 year turnaround to dominance while being in the SEC makes it even harder. It's hard as F just to stay consistently competitive in the SEC, let alone be dominant. Richt? Spurrier? Fulmer?

I agree we can get there, with our resources and backing, etc. And that we SHOULD get there. Just not in the microwave 4 to 5 year span.

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Baloney. "The 4 year turnaround to dominance isn't as normal as you make it out to be". FALSE It is for the PREMIER Coaches. We got average, at best. Average doesn't win it all in the SEC West. We're in the SEC West. This isn't ROCKET SCIENCE. Saban started with absolutely nothing at Michigan State. Sumlin started with an O Line that was almost second to none and a QB that could make plays. Although the D was lacking, and the fast paced offense exacerbated the weakness on D, the cupboard damn sure wasn't bare when Summy came to town. Then he landed the number 1 pro style QB in the country (so much for time to rebuild excuses) and pissed it away. The end.

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So you think we should fire him now and hire someone between now and September? Awesome. I love this board.

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I realize you're a big summy cheerleader, so I'll just wait until the end of the year...actually before the end of the year, because if they fool around and wait until December, you'll be back cheerleading saying it's too late to fire him because it will mess up signing day/recruiting.

Surely you can't sit there with a straight face and not acknowledge that Arkansas gifted us the last 2 games. 7-6 over the last couple of years...would that make a difference to you

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So, to you, anyone who doesn't criticize Sumlin or shows the slightest bit of positivity towards Sumlin is a Sumlin cheerleader.

If you have someone like beerad12man calling you out for your 5-7 prediction, then you're not a realist. You're a pessimist in denial.

I'm in denial? That's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

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I'm in denial? That's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

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I can't decide if I hope you're right, or I hope you're wrong.

Do you want us to succeed, or do you want us to fail?

Which one would make you right?

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Hugh Freeze is a slime ball. But thats just my opinion but I base it on some fairly good evidence. He also beat Bama on a fluke play last year. And, to top it all off he happened on a juco QB that turned out to be playin way over his head. QB is very important as everyone knows. And Freeze lucked up on what he got. I cant say he is a better coach than Sumlin in that regard. Comparing apples to apples with A&M's QB situation since Johnny left and I'd say Sumlin has fared better that most could despite all the setbacks.

How bout we let the season play out. See if we can keep everyone healthy, and give stability a chance to shine. In regard to beating Bama and LSU. You think you're gonna come in here and dethrone two established NFL farm clubs in a scant matter of a few years. Then most of you are dumber than I thought. It takes time to build the depth across the board to compete at their level. And they have had a lot of years to get to where they are. After Sumlins first year the cupboard got bare in a hurry and we played how many freshman the next 2 years. Freakin Saban got 5* guys redshirting and sitting on the bench. We havent had that luxury. And freshman dang sure cant compete against them either. It takes time to build that kind of program. But I can say that Sumlin has addressed areas of need across the board since he's been here. He's tried some coaches that failed. But who hasnt. He addressed those failures and continues to improve.

I'm optimistic. Auburn went to the MNC and they had a really fluke season on some really fluke plays. It takes a special kind of year to compete for the Championship. Maybe we can have it maybe we wont. But if everyone stays healthy throughout the year we may have a shot if the offense clicks early on. We'll see. We'll see if all the chips fall in the right place. We can revisit after a few games and get a gauge how things are going. But until we see the game play, everything else is just noise.

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I'm in denial? That's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

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I can't decide if I hope you're right, or I hope you're wrong.

Do you want us to succeed, or do you want us to fail?

Which one would make you right?

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Why is he on this board if he knows Sumlin will fail?

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I'm in denial? That's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

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I can't decide if I hope you're right, or I hope you're wrong.

Do you want us to succeed, or do you want us to fail?

Which one would make you right?

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You're showing signs of the BAS disease. It's okay, everybody contracts it from time to time.

Doesn't matter whether I'm right or wrong.

Succeed is fine and failure is fine, anything in the middle is unacceptable.

Success is beating Alabama and/or LSU on a yearly basis. .500 In the SEC West is not.

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I'm in denial? That's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

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I can't decide if I hope you're right, or I hope you're wrong.

Do you want us to succeed, or do you want us to fail?

Which one would make you right?

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Why is he on this board if he knows Sumlin will fail?

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Why do you keep asking stupid questions?

Success is .500 in the SEC West? LOL, now that is an incredibly high exoextation! Let's be a four (4) loss team forever... That sets the bar high, I'm sure all those 4-5* prospects can't wait to play on a 4 loss team, we don't need no stinking championships... Championships are way overrated!

Alabama,Ole Miss, LSU, Auburn........ We are 1-7 over the last 2 years....it's time to win or make a change...prolonging it will only make matters worse...we are loaded with talent, best Stadium in the country, coach makes 5 Million/ yr. , supposedly according to this board have the best D coor. In country.....lets hope it happens now!!! Anything less is settling for mediocrity .

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Ole Miss: 4-6
Auburn: 2-8
Arkansas: 2-8
Miss St. 1-9