Briles has more rapists than Kds.

WTAW was babbling today that Baylor is now THE school for the top Texas recruits while A&M is no longer a spec on the radar.

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WTAW was babbling today that Baylor is now THE school for the top Texas recruits while A&M is no longer a spec on the radar.

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Didn't they lose to two other Texas schools this year?

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He also out-coaches Sumlin.

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Meaner to the media as well.

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Briles has won 4 games this season and 3 last season over teams with winning records. You saw a high scoring Big 12 offense (TT) , 2nd in the nation in scoring and the nations total offense leader at QB against a SEC caliber defense last night. Briles freaking straight snapped the ball to RBs all night. How well do you think that would work against good SEC defenses? Briles is a great coach. But I would like to see how he would have done against A&Ms schedule. I get it if you don't like Sumlin, but crowning Briles is a little silly too. By the way, always bet against a team who lost their conference championship game. NC just like Bama a few years ago just didn't show up. One more thing. Big 12 defenses for the most part suck big time. LSU scored 56 against TT. And LSU had no offense all year!

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It's Baylor.

And why do you guys always forget that it's relative? Baylor is in the Big12. That's a fact. They recruit and play against other Big 12 teams. We have to look at and judge his improvement and performance relative to the competition. And we must also consider the fact that it is Baylor, a small, private university that has done nothing in football historically.

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3 last season over teams with winning records

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False.

Before Briles got there, Baylor's average finish in the B12 the decade before was 11th. Since Briles got there, their average finish is 5th. Since his 4th year, the first year his recruits were seniors, the average finish is 2.5.

With Briles, Baylor won the B12 championship 2 years in a row and were contenders this year, even without a QB!

Yeah, it's Baylor.

Briles has never had a margin of loss of 59 points.

Briles has never been shut out.

Give Briles some resources at a major university and he would kick Sumlins' azz just like Saban and Miles do. It would not be a contest.

Did I mention it is Baylor.

You don't like Briles. I get it. Liking has nothing to do with it. Your post is nothing but selective stats and weak excuses.

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He also out-coaches Sumlin.

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this.

no surprise.

sumlin is literally worthless at this point.

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He can still piss you off......So that's worth a whole lot in itself!

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You opinions on Aggie football are even more ridiculous than your opinions on the amount of money Star Wars is going to bring in at the box office.

Also, you don't know what the word literally means.

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So I underestimated the nerd/virgin movie going power. I got over it. You should as well.

Enjoy our continued mediocrity. I expect better from our program,. Sad you do not.

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I have never seen a poster on Texags run away from a thread faster than you did on the Star Wars thread. You haven't been back yet.

As far as Sumlin goes, put him in the B12 and Ags will have the same result as baylor has had. Keep in mind, it took 4 teams leaving the B12 for baylor to finally win it.

Everybody on here that doesn't like Sumlin complains about the teams the Aggies beat, yet, when briles beats up on tu, isu, ku, ksu and ttu he is a god amongst men.

Oh yea, briles beat up on rice, Lamar and smu too.

Let's not forget the 7 win powerhouse wvu.

So pretty much 9 auto wins and they lost to the two teams that mattered. Ou and tcu.

The only difference between Sumlin and briles is that briles plays more automatic wins than Sumlin (and he lost to tu).

I wish everything was as good as bayside says it is.

So much fail here.

Baylor plays 9 conference games now and gets auto wins over isu and ku every year.

They also don't have to play A&M and Texas has fallen off considerably in the last 4-5 years.

The double standard for success is astounding. If Sumlin beats cupcake teams he sucks as a coach.

If Briles beats cupcake teams he is a savior.

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So much fail here.

Baylor plays 9 conference games now and gets auto wins over isu and ku every year.

They also don't have to play A&M and Texas has fallen off considerably in the last 4-5 years.

The double standard for success is astounding. If Sumlin beats cupcake teams he sucks as a coach.

If Briles beats cupcake teams he is a savior.

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So much stupidity there. Baylor is not A&M. They don't have the resources, history, facilities, etc... that we have. And yet under Briles they've made remarkable improvement, competing against TCU, OU and Texas on the field and in recruiting every year. "but, but, but texas has regressed, waaagghh...". Excuses, excuses! They lost to tu this year, didn't they. And in the year of our final B12 year, year 3 under Briles, they were 10-3, we were 7-6.

And tell me more about these "auto wins". I see losses to those teams in 01, 03, 04, 07, 09, and 12. Cue the "those teams gotten worse" excuse.

You guys have nothing but lame excuses. Both when it comes to defending Sumlin and when it comes to bashing Briles.

Grag- Reread my post. I said Briles is a great coach. And props to him for what he has done at Baylor. But to think he would run up big scores against SEC defenses week end and week out is wrong. He also has teams that play no defense. A Baylor type offense without a better than average defense will never win on the big stage. And Briles shows no interest in having better than average defense. If he did he would have fired Bennett a long time ago. He knows teams that run his style of offense have trouble fielding good defenses because it is hard to give your defense good looks in practice when preparing for more regular style offenses. Plus they play too many plays on defense. Briles is content to try and out score people. TT showed how well that works against athletic defenses like LSU last night. Most everyone plays that style offense in the Big 12 so it makes no difference in that league. Again Briles is a great coach in a league of run duck and chunk offenses that play no defense. Do you think Briles would take a job in the SEC? Look how Gus M. production at Auburn has fallen off every year. Look how Sumlin is trying to run a more run based slower offense. Big 12 stuff doesn't work in other leagues without a very solid defense. And it is hard to play defense with that style of offense. That is why Briles will stay at Baylor. Sorry, I was using a friends login in the fieldhouse. This is Coachlb

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Recruiting was the only thing Sumlin used to do better than Briles and now he can't even do that. Very sad.

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Have you looked at their defensive recruiting compared to ours?

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Chris_Dishman is a sip just FYI, so no point arguing with him.

The Dumb is strong with this one.

You want to point out the level of competition but then go on to say with equal resources, brides would whip Sumlin....

That's just ignorant. The most our Defense gave up this year was 28. We didn't have a good offense and our defense still held up all season.

It's like you have forgotten what Baylor did as soon as their schedule got "real" (and that Oklahoma/ok st/TCU/tu "murderers row" is nothing like they would face in a real conference with legit resources).

We get it, you're a beat sympathizer.

No matter how you look at it, sadly Briles and his staff have out recruited & out coached our staff.

TexAgs is infested with a bunch of emo whiners. Waaaaaaa

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No matter how you look at it, sadly Briles and his staff have out recruited & out coached our staff.

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Again, have you looked at their defensive recruiting? Do you think that side of the ball matters?

Sumlin inherited a UH program that Briles had already built.

Sumlin also inherited Johnny Manziel and the best offensive line in college football.

And Briles plays a very weak schedule! Like I said. I don't care if you hate Sumlin, but don't try to over-inflate Briles. Playing A&Ms schedule I am not convinced he could win 8 or 9 games a year with his style and history of not playing defense. The grind of playing good teams every week in conference takes its toll. When you play 2 or 3 good teams and several average to bad teams in your conference a team can play poorly and still sometimes win. In the SEC west that is not the case.

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No matter how you look at it, sadly Briles and his staff have out recruited & out coached our staff.

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Not at all. They have less talent overall and have an easier schedule.

We have more talent, tougher schedule, and a dipsheit at OC.

Our Defensifive staff >>>>> BU Defensive staff.

But I bet you don't care about defense, so your angle makes sense in that regard.

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Sumlin inherited a UH program that Briles had already built.

Sumlin also inherited Johnny Manziel and the best offensive line in college football.

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And then he recruited Top classes after all that.

I think we should let him have a chance with his guys without our coordinators/position coaches leaving for HC jobs.

He made a bad call with Spavital. He needs to fix that. That's it.

Ya well, your mom's "out-recruiting" Briles; and no one cares much about that either.

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Grag- Reread my post. I said Briles is a great coach. And props to him for what he has done at Baylor. But to think he would run up big scores against SEC defenses week end and week out is wrong. He also has teams that play no defense. A Baylor type offense without a better than average defense will never win on the big stage. And Briles shows no interest in having better than average defense. If he did he would have fired Bennett a long time ago. He knows teams that run his style of offense have trouble fielding good defenses because it is hard to give your defense good looks in practice when preparing for more regular style offenses. Plus they play too many plays on defense. Briles is content to try and out score people. TT showed how well that works against athletic defenses like LSU last night. Most everyone plays that style offense in the Big 12 so it makes no difference in that league. Again Briles is a great coach in a league of run duck and chunk offenses that play no defense. Do you think Briles would take a job in the SEC? Look how Gus M. production at Auburn has fallen off every year. Look how Sumlin is trying to run a more run based slower offense. Big 12 stuff doesn't work in other leagues without a very solid defense. And it is hard to play defense with that style of offense. That is why Briles will stay at Baylor. Sorry, I was using a friends login in the fieldhouse. This is Coachlb

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Just so I understand: Big12 offenses look better than they really are because they play most of their schedule against Big12 defenses. Does that mean SEC defenses look better than they really are because they play most of their schedule against SEC offenses?

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Baylor has the 11th ranked class on rivals. A&M is 17th. UH is 28th.

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Please wait until after the class is signed. lmao

Briles might be outrecruiting Sumlin. But, Sumlin makes more money!



Wait, what?

Richard - Just to help you understand - Did you watch TT and LSU last night? Leading total offense leader in the nation, #2 scoring team in the Nation, Big 12 offensive juggernault offense was made to look very average by LSU defense. A very average to below average LSU offense scored 56 on TT. So what I am saying is SEC defenses are good and Big 12 offensive stats are over-inflated because their defenses are bad. Hope that clears it up for you.

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Grag- Reread my post. I said Briles is a great coach. And props to him for what he has done at Baylor. But to think he would run up big scores against SEC defenses week end and week out is wrong. He also has teams that play no defense. A Baylor type offense without a better than average defense will never win on the big stage. And Briles shows no interest in having better than average defense. If he did he would have fired Bennett a long time ago. He knows teams that run his style of offense have trouble fielding good defenses because it is hard to give your defense good looks in practice when preparing for more regular style offenses. Plus they play too many plays on defense. Briles is content to try and out score people. TT showed how well that works against athletic defenses like LSU last night. Most everyone plays that style offense in the Big 12 so it makes no difference in that league. Again Briles is a great coach in a league of run duck and chunk offenses that play no defense. Do you think Briles would take a job in the SEC? Look how Gus M. production at Auburn has fallen off every year. Look how Sumlin is trying to run a more run based slower offense. Big 12 stuff doesn't work in other leagues without a very solid defense. And it is hard to play defense with that style of offense. That is why Briles will stay at Baylor. Sorry, I was using a friends login in the fieldhouse. This is Coachlb

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Just so I understand: Big12 offenses look better than they really are because they play most of their schedule against Big12 defenses. Does that mean SEC defenses look better than they really are because they play most of their schedule against SEC offenses?

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Just to help you out with your confusion:

SEC TEAMS in top 50 Scoring Defense: 10
Crap12 teams in top 50 scoring D: 2

SEC Teams in top 50 Scoring offense: 6 (we are a usual 7th in this category, thanks Spav)
Crap 12 teams in top 50 scoring Offense: 6

All cupcakes being equal, SEC is the clear leader here.

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Richard - Just to help you understand - Did you watch TT and LSU last night? Leading total offense leader in the nation, #2 scoring team in the Nation, Big 12 offensive juggernault offense was made to look very average by LSU defense. A very average to below average LSU offense scored 56 on TT. So what I am saying is SEC defenses are good and Big 12 offensive stats are over-inflated because their defenses are bad. Hope that clears it up for you.

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Let's see what he can grasp from these two posts.

I forget. TT rushed for a -3 yards! Try to wrap your mind around that. Their QB was sacked, hurried or hit about 20 times. But yet this was one of the best most explosive offenses in the Big 12. Good defense will beat most offenses most of the time.

Continuing to sign recruiting classes outside of the Top 10 will keep us from competing effectively against SEC West teams such as AL, AU, Miss, & LSU.

We need to get coaches who can recruit better. We can't keep lingering in the bottom half of the SEC West.

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Richard - Just to help you understand - Did you watch TT and LSU last night? Leading total offense leader in the nation, #2 scoring team in the Nation, Big 12 offensive juggernault offense was made to look very average by LSU defense. A very average to below average LSU offense scored 56 on TT. So what I am saying is SEC defenses are good and Big 12 offensive stats are over-inflated because their defenses are bad. Hope that clears it up for you.

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So one game. Thats what you are using to support your argument?

At least Fran brought his lunch pail to work. Summy just eats dominos and doesn't tip the delivery boy.

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Continuing to sign recruiting classes outside of the Top 10 will keep us from competing effectively against SEC West teams such as AL, AU, Miss, & LSU.

We need to get coaches who can recruit better. We can't keep lingering in the bottom half of the SEC West.

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You seem lost. We have had #9, #5, #11 (sips were #10 on signing day and didn't get 3/5 of the Florida kids on campus, thus we REALLY are #10 last year) and this year is incomplete.

We need a better OC and OL coach.

Richard - No I am basing my opinion on years of coaching defense and football knowledge, not just because I don't like or dislike Briles or Sumlin like many of you. You don't have to have been in coaching to watch the Big 12 defenses and know they are not very good. That is why none of these Briles type teams have won a NC. Every team that has won has a defense that at least is very sound and can make more that 3 stops a game which is the defensive goal in a Big 12 game. If TT and LSU played 10 times LSU would win 9 times. The tiger defense was far and away more athletic and more sound than TTs chunk and duck offense.

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Richard - Just to help you understand - Did you watch TT and LSU last night? Leading total offense leader in the nation, #2 scoring team in the Nation, Big 12 offensive juggernault offense was made to look very average by LSU defense. A very average to below average LSU offense scored 56 on TT. So what I am saying is SEC defenses are good and Big 12 offensive stats are over-inflated because their defenses are bad. Hope that clears it up for you.

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So one game. Thats what you are using to support your argument?

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This feels repetitive, but I'll lend you a hand. His example was of one game in which it was supposed to be NO Offense LSU vs All Offense Tech. Well, the LSU Defense was too good for the #2 ranked O, and LSU put up 50+. Showing the discrepancy in Defense & Offense for both conferences.

If you think any of the big 12 teams would have a top 10 offense in the SEC, you don't understand football. Too much size and depth in the SEC. It shows on signing day as well. And draft day. And I pray Oklahoma gets to play Alabama. It will be bad. And then you'll have another game as an example.

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Richard - No I am basing my opinion on years of coaching defense and football knowledge, not just because I don't like or dislike Briles or Sumlin like many of you. You don't have to have been in coaching to watch the Big 12 defenses and know they are not very good. That is why none of these Briles type teams have won a NC. Every team that has won has a defense that at least is very sound and can make more that 3 stops a game which is the defensive goal in a Big 12 game.

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And Crap12 defenses give up, my guesstimation here, 20 lbs across the board. No way they could handle these O-Lines, much less week in and week out.