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I hate to break it to you, but A&M is percieved as the school of racists, not Texas. Thats probably not fair, but thats the perception.

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A perception that exists only in the minds of left-wing longhorns, i.e. most longhorns.

I don't want to play the racist game. Let's say it seems our hiring an African American coach, who was wholeheartedly embraced by the fan base played quite well with recruits. Shortly thereafter Texas hired the first (I believe) AA coach they've ever had. No interpretation there, just facts.

As to how good he is? I don't know. And the few reasonable LH friends I have are still waiting to pass that judgement too. He did well at Louisville. He seems like a good defensive coach in an offensive conference. He had a hard time relating to Texas hs coaches when he got here. Maybe that's improving.

The whole be accountable, kick troublemakers off the team thing I think buys him another year at least. It's a total rebuild. I'll be shocked if he doesn't get at least four years. Unless a Saban-type hire is possible, in which case he gets shown the door unless he has a conference championship.

I want him to succeed. I want him to win as badly as I want Stoops, Briles, KK, and Patterson to win. Enough to keep his job, not enough to separate from the big XII pack and dominate perception or rise up as a singular foil to us in recruiting.

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I hate to break it to you, but A&M is percieved as the school of racists, not Texas. Thats probably not fair, but thats the perception.
Also, its not helping that you guys call our coach Chollie and Charkie.
Anyone who doesn't know what that means (I didn't) ought to look it up
before they use it.

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It doesn't help it that your biggest and most prominent booster said your current AA HC is not fit the be a HC at tu.

It doesn't help that your campus has bleach bomb attacks on minority students.

It doesn't help that your MLK statue gets vandalized.

It doesn't help that your school and the city of Austin colluded back in the day to push minorities east of 35 in order get valuable property.

It doesn't help that your school is always behind A&M in hiring minorities to important positions in both the administration and athletics.

You should go look at what your own boards have said about Sumlin. It is far more racist than anything said on this board about strong.

Well, the racist fan-base comment is pure make believe. Austin is the most liberal town in Texas and I've yet to meet a Texas fan that has a problem with Charlie's skin color. Red McCombs on the other hand is an ignorant @sshat. Red wasn't even aware Charlie has two MNC rings as a coordinator. Red is upset he did not get to choose the coach like he did when he chose Mack. Are there racist donors? I don't know, but our AD won't let that junk affect Charlie.

As for the HS coaches not connecting with Charlie... the single reporter, Haney, that reported that has most scratching their heads about his comments. Time will tell if he was correct, but he seems to be on an island with that view.

Anyway, my thoughts are it takes more than the first year of a new coach's rebuild to intelligently pass judgement on a new coach. I can't see Texas canning him in less than 4 years

Oh, and about Charlie kicking kids off the team. Charlie gives the problem kids multiple chances and dismisses the ones that won't fall in line so someone more appreciative of the opportunity can have a shot. Sounds like a noble effort to me.

Thanks for all the responses to my earlier post.

tu 2015: 6 - 6
tu 2016: 7 - 5
tu 2017: 8 - 4 (We win Natty) - Strong fired

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Well, the racist fan-base comment is pure make believe.

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Do you really, honestly believe that? Austin is a liberal outpost in Texas. And maybe you have the good sense to only associate with non-racists. But to make such a broad statement is sticking your head in the sand and ignoring a problem that elements of BOTH fan bases have. To try and claim to recruits that A&M is more racist than any other fan base in the south is willfully ignorant.

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Well, the racist fan-base comment is pure make believe. Austin is the most liberal town in Texas and I've yet to meet a Texas fan that has a problem with Charlie's skin color. Red McCombs on the other hand is an ignorant @sshat. Red wasn't even aware Charlie has two MNC rings as a coordinator. Red is upset he did not get to choose the coach like he did when he chose Mack. Are there racist donors? I don't know, but our AD won't let that junk affect Charlie.

As for the HS coaches not connecting with Charlie... the single reporter, Haney, that reported that has most scratching their heads about his comments. Time will tell if he was correct, but he seems to be on an island with that view.

Anyway, my thoughts are it takes more than the first year of a new coach's rebuild to intelligently pass judgement on a new coach. I can't see Texas canning him in less than 4 years

Oh, and about Charlie kicking kids off the team. Charlie uses the problem kids as an excuse to churn out 6-7 seasons in the BDF. Sounds like a noble effort to me and other sips who fell for it.

Thanks for all the responses to my earlier post.

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Well, the racist fan-base comment is pure make believe. Austin is the most liberal town in Texas and I've yet to meet a Texas fan that has a problem with Charlie's skin color. Red McCombs on the other hand is an ignorant @sshat. Red wasn't even aware Charlie has two MNC rings as a coordinator. Red is upset he did not get to choose the coach like he did when he chose Mack. Are there racist donors? I don't know, but our AD won't let that junk affect Charlie.

As for the HS coaches not connecting with Charlie... the single reporter, Haney, that reported that has most scratching their heads about his comments. Time will tell if he was correct, but he seems to be on an island with that view.

Anyway, my thoughts are it takes more than the first year of a new coach's rebuild to intelligently pass judgement on a new coach. I can't see Texas canning him in less than 4 years

Oh, and about Charlie kicking kids off the team. Charlie gives the problem kids multiple chances and dismisses the ones that won't fall in line so someone more appreciative of the opportunity can have a shot. Sounds like a noble effort to me.

Thanks for all the responses to my earlier post.

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AHEM!!!!

From the non-racists at the shag:

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Originally Posted by JuannyFoosball
Coach, is it true that atm aggie has not finished better than 3rd in the Big12 South/Sec West for 17 years?


"Yes, Juanny. Dat's true. I think the last time we played for a conference title, we were led by an over-achieving Vietnamese refugee LB around the time you were born."

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The stronghorn team that just got their stuff pushed in by the last place SEC West team was loaded with 4 and 5 star upperclassmen that the Aggies heavily recruited.

Based on athletic talent level, the stronghorns greatly underachieved due to only one factor: Poor Coaching

Sumlin needs to load a laptop with the highlights of Aggie win over Arky, and Arky prisonraping tu and play it during his in home visits.

I don't care.

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I hate to break it to you, but A&M is percieved as the school of racists, not Texas. Thats probably not fair, but thats the perception. Also, its not helping that you guys call our coach Chollie and Charkie. Anyone who doesn't know what that means (I didn't) ought to look it up before they use it.

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Riiiight. Because so many buildings on the A&M campus are named for KKK Grand Dragons. Yup, there's the Littlefield House, named after George Littlefield, the guy who was a Regent and established the "Littlefield Fund for rewriting history from a Confederate perspective', RLM Hall, named after Robert Lee Moore, the professor who refused to allow blacks into his classroom, and Simkins dorm, former professor and KKK Grand Dragon. Simkins was instrumental in bringing the Klan back to campus as a legit student activity.

Oh wait, all the above refers to the Klanwhorns. . .Amazing how little changes @ Texsa. They still re-write history and they still fly their Confederate flags on campus.

Bleach?

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Strong will be at Texas longer than Sumlin will be at Texas A&M...

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Well, the racist fan-base comment is pure make believe. Austin is the most liberal town in Texas

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Liberals are sometimes more racist than conservatives. Racial quotas, as advocated by most liberals, promote a belief that people of color cannot truly succeed without government intervention.

He better get the entirety of his contract or he'll play the race card.

The stronghorn attempt at offense by having Watson implement the spread will result in a cross between a possum and a skunk.

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From the non-racists at the shag:

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Originally Posted by JuannyFoosball
Coach, is it true that atm aggie has not finished better than 3rd in the Big12 South/Sec West for 17 years?


"Yes, Juanny. Dat's true. I think the last time we played for a conference title, we were led by an over-achieving Vietnamese refugee LB around the time you were born."

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So, now calling a Vietnamese refugee a Vietnamese refugee is derogatory considering all the derogatory terminalogy our Vietnam Vets have for the Vietnamese?

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Bleach?

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2 times in the last 18 months minority students at tu have had balloons filled with bleach thrown at them in racially motivated attacks

The older sip fans are the most racist people you WILL EVER meet....FACT
But sip here has his head in the sand

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Well, the racist fan-base comment is pure make believe. Austin is the most liberal town in Texas

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Go ask blacks in austin how welcome the most liberal town in Texas makes them feel. Look for things like police shootings, highland mall, and the texas relays, as well as the gentrification that forces blacks from the eastside of austin into the suburbs, so the liberals can feel safe.

1) Cholie is the feminin version of Charlie. It has consistently ranked in the top 500 female baby names in the U.S. for over a decade. It is not common, but far from rare. I do not know what you think it means.

2) A&M unfairly does have a racist reputation. However we have more minorities, & higher ratios of minorities at every level, & every race except South East Asians. Specifically we have more African Americans, Latinos, Indians (Sub Continent), Native Americans (like me), Middle Easterns, Asian Pacific Islandeds, ect... at every level of
students, faculty, & administration both by sheer numbers & as a percentage.

3) Strong is incredibly talented at talent development. He is probably among the top 25 coaches at talent assessment. Strong is excellent at defensive schemes, & game management.
He is not a top tier recruiter, & has successfully infuriated the three high school football coaches I know. He will still bring in enough talent & the right talent that he can quickly get to 8 win seasons in the Big 12-2-2+2. I will not be surprised to see him challenge for 9-10 wins by year 4. That says as much about the Big 12-2-2+2 as it does him.

4) Despite everything this year if he had scheduled a non con schedule as weak as ours, he would have gone 8-5 this year. Once again says as much about the Big 12-2-2+2 as anything.

5) About Texas High School Coaches: I went to high school with a moderately successful 5A one who's little sister is best friends w/my little sister & has kept us in contact. He is a die hard 3rd generation graduate from that school in Austin. He loved Strong till he met him.
One of my former commanders retired & became a Catholic high school football coach. The most over educated & talented coach in America. Played college ball at Cal & funnels his better players that way. Likes Sumlin & our military traditions, but on the whole is not an Aggie by any stretch. Dislikes Strong, thinks he is arrogant & difficult to relate too.

The third was a QB coach at an FCS school before becoming the JV coach at a 4A TX HS. He has by far the best talent of the three, & the most interaction w/the programs. I also have only see him twice a year for the last four years. He dislikes Strong on a personal level. Thinks he is a great coach, just not personable. Never met Sumlin.

Now is three a quality sample size? Absolutely not. Especially when none of them are coaching great programs putting out tons of D-1 talent. Hell my former commanders only guy getting looks is his son. I think my buddy from high school has coached 3-5 D-1 guys in a decade. The JV coach has seen a fair amount of talent, but not being even an assistant* on Varsity he really does not get much interaction. But when 3 for 3 don't like the guy & steer kids away, it is a problem.
* He is higher "ranked" than the varsity assistants, & likely takes over the program in 20 years.

Honest opinion of Chatlie is that I think he is an outstanding coach and not a great recruiter. He may be a good recruiter, but not a great one. I also think he is on a very short leash, fair or unfair it really does not matter. I do think race is a factor, unfortunately.

The main fact is that he inherited a very bad situation, however so did Sumlin. Unless there is a major upgrade in the offensive line it will not matter who the qb is the offense is not going to be very good against a good defense. With the defensive players lost it is going to take some time to get the defense to be ready to be a very good defense. Having said that, playing in the bdf is going to help, but let's say tu goes 7-5,then they will lose in their bowl fame badly to a7-5 SEC west team

As has been said here and in other more reputable publications A & M going to the SEC really hurt the recruiting of tu and tu north.


Given enough time he could turn it around, but he will not be given enough time.

He will probably be gone after next year. 2 Years max.

Totally incompetent as a coach.

The t.u. hire of Strong was a knee jerk, copycat, "hope we get a "Sumlin", type hire. Nothing more or less.

Charlie is a great guy, just a very below avg coach who is way out of his league at t.u.

As Ive stated before, there are at least 5 HC's in the BDF that have higher football IQs than Charlie. This is very obvious. Texas is relegated to beating teams one way and one way only. By having way more talent than the other team. If the opposing team has talent anywhere near t.u., then look for the whorns to get their asses kicked. Its been that way for as long as I can remember.

Another losing season...he gone

Next season is important for Strong. The problem is he trots out essentially the same group of Olinemen from last season. QB is an achilles. The best talent on Defense either declared early, or ran out of eligibility. The fact that TCU and baylor have their programs running at all time high levels, will make it even tougher.

I can see 5 or 6 wins next season-

Rice
Cal
ISU
KU
ttu
Maybe OSU

If tu goes 5-7, the grumbling will get louder from the big cigars. Then the AD seat gets hot as well.

Akers went 5-6 his last season, then let go
MacWilliams was given 5 years, with a 4-7 and a couple of 5-6 seasons, and let go
Mackovic went 4-7 and let go

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3 yrs if they dont improve over 6-7 in 15 or 16. He'll get the 4th yr if they improve by one or two wins.

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Charlie's biggest issue is that the alum and fans hate him because he is black. I've never seen so many racist comments and jokes about a professional.

I had no idea the tu mindset was THAT racist.

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Are you kidding? The bigotry on this site is appalling...."Charkie"? "Chollie"?

Aggies that live in glass houses........

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Aggies,
Longhorn fan here. Seriously, I just want to talk football. This is not a troll post. I just want to know how you come up with the idea Charlie is a bad coach. Here is why I don't get it. Charlie was hired to fix a bad team. Charlie had less than a month to try and salvage Mack's last recruiting class and thus lost many. On top of that, Charlie takes this fixer-upper team with a broken recruiting class and then has to play almost the whole season with a replacement Center and a QB that should have never been QB. With all that going against him, he gets the D to be damn good and seriously should have beat UCLA and OU. How UT lost those games is an amazing tale of grasping defeat from the jaws of victory.

This year Charlie will have at the very least, Heard, a healthy center, his own very good recruiting class, and a full off season of preparation. I expect better this year. As for the bad coaching thing, how is that large amounts of Florida fans and Louisville fans appreciate Charlies work and were upset to see him go? It just seems to me that a lot of Aggies have unrealistic expectations for the first year of a coach resurrecting a program. Is this because KS had such a great season his first year with Sherman's kids? Been circling the drain more an more the years after that. Is that whats expected?

If ya'll think this is trolling because I'm a UT fan, then... oh well. Its just that so many posts on this site smell like bitter desperation and hopes that Charlie fails, not like objective evaluation of the situation.

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Absolutely a troll post. You've just regurgitated the same selected narrative talking points your fans repeat non stop.

The 2011 & 12 recruiting classes were loaded for tu. I don't care how broken anything was, taking a team loaded with upper class men 4 & 5 stars and turning in a 6-7 record is a failure.

You won't find a single UL fan that thinks they didn't upgrade going from Strong to Petrino.

What difference does it make whose players Sumlin won with in year 1? He had a whole lot less talent based on recruiting stars than Charlie did in 2014. We've had an awful defense the last 2 years so we hired the best DC there is. I'm sure you're convinced it won't make a difference.

That might hold merit, but Mike Sherman was continuously made fun of for his New England accent and "eggies".

KDS is adored by most of the fan base, and many like myself were very happy that we hired an African American coach. National perception of A&M changed with his hiring.

But about his tenure at tu....regardless of core values marketing, texas u cannot stand losing for long periods of time. Baylor is 4-1 in the last 5 games. OU if 4-1 in the last 5. TCU won 48-10 last year in Austin, which would be unfathomable to the older horns. Strong will have to turn it around quickly, but the facts are his Offense ranked #110 last year and he lost most playmakers on D.

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Charlie's biggest issue is that the alum and fans hate him because he is black. I've never seen so many racist comments and jokes about a professional.

I had no idea the tu mindset was THAT racist.

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Are you kidding? The bigotry on this site is appalling...."Charkie"? "Chollie"?

Aggies that live in glass houses........

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Are you the Austin bleach-bomb thrower? I'm sure it's mere coincidence you target minorities . . . Grand Dragon.

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Well, the racist fan-base comment is pure make believe. Austin is the most liberal town in Texas and I've yet to meet a Texas fan that has a problem with Charlie's skin color. Red McCombs on the other hand is an ignorant @sshat. Red wasn't even aware Charlie has two MNC rings as a coordinator. Red is upset he did not get to choose the coach like he did when he chose Mack. Are there racist donors? I don't know, but our AD won't let that junk affect Charlie.

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The most racists areas are liberal bastions, so Austin fits right in.

Copycat sips think KM = JF. They also thought Chuck = Sumlin. KM might be better than JF. However, they don't have the OL, WR or coaching to pull it off. KM can't win all by himself, even in the BDF.

As you can see by the sip trolls here or if you've suffered through a sip message board or know anything about sip history, sip Internet fans and the sips that run their athletic department are incapable of original thought.

Poor Chuck is a pawn in this design. The worst thing that can happen for him is to land KM. They are looking at another losing season next year regardless. He'll throw his players and coaches under the bus, again. People don't change. He'll have to search far and wide to find another gullible group of recruits. He's done.

Best case for Chuck is NSD disaster and all the sips will talk about how close he was to greatness and what a master poker player he is. They achieve the same level of fail on the field, but he postpones the inevitable for another year.

That's how you do it, just stick to the truth.

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That might hold merit, but Mike Sherman was continuously made fun of for his New England accent and "eggies".

KDS is adored by most of the fan base, and many like myself were very happy that we hired an African American coach. National perception of A&M changed with his hiring.

But about his tenure at tu....regardless of core values marketing, texas u cannot stand losing for long periods of time. Baylor is 4-1 in the last 5 games. OU if 4-1 in the last 5. TCU won 48-10 last year in Austin, which would be unfathomable to the older horns. Strong will have to turn it around quickly, but the facts are his Offense ranked #110 last year and he lost most playmakers on D.

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This is why I think he bought himself an extra year by running off so many players. Short term it hurts the program. When the record isn't as good as Horns would like he can point to this as an explanation.

Long term the hope is obviously that it's addition by subtraction and that they get non prima donnas, hard nosed kids that want to be there. That would sit well with older supporters I'd think, and would give him some extra time to turn it around.

Ironically he's fighting the bigger culture there. Good luck having kids that don't feel entitled when the fan base does. Strong's rhetoric would probably go over better in College Station than in austin.

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Good luck having kids that don't feel entitled when the fan base does.

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Well said.

texas u's perception of themselves is largely tied to football success. It is a great academic institution, but the average tshirt fan has no concept of that. A&M is no doubt a football school, but our identity is tied more to traditions, Corps, as well as football.

I believe the Charlie core values mantra was concocted to buy time, but if you go 6-7 or 5-7, and baylor, OU, and Tcu continue to beat you handily, the leash will get short.

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If the apocalypse happens and KM, DM, etc go to TU, then I think he has longer than Sumlin.

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Bang zoom!