That's contrary to what many have claimed on here.....Lots of misinformation and hurt feelings on all sides of this in this whole process....been handled pretty terribly frankly....but had to come up with the money somehow. Wish no one would have ever given lifetime promises.....that was just Naive and stupid to have done, but I get why those that stepped up are pissed.....just not sure why they are interpreting the promise to mean free club seats o. The new stadium. They didn't have club seats in the old. Oh well
12th Man Foundation Lawsuit - Reseating
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Last: 10 yr ago by Mega Lops
Speaking of misinformation
This is not about club seating
First lawsuit was filed over parking years before there
was any talk of a new stadium
This is not about club seating
First lawsuit was filed over parking years before there
was any talk of a new stadium
Recent lawsuits have involved seats and people still wanting their 40 years line 2nd deck seats
03, you are correct , a lot of incorrect info output by sone who know nothing about the ED new seating selection . With regards to PPs , 1. ED were only allowed the number of seats that were allocated to their endowment . ( no extra seats ) as others were able to do . 2.ED were credited with 2k per seat but no PP for the credit . 3. Could only pay for 2015 12man obligations . ( was told by 12th man reps could not make an additional donation ). All these rules for the ED while other bought numerous seats for who ever and received PPs . Even if they only bought two seats they received PP s . Just the rules .
Less than 15 suits filed and the majority are over parking . A deliberate act by the trustees in order to raise more money . Also without notification to the ED until parking came out
I think the case for parking is strong for the EDs, but that's got to be a tough economic decision to file suit for parking.
4 ags, correct , but do you not stand up for yourself if you are getting done wrong ?.
quote:Speaking of misinformation. The majority include parking but the majority are not only over parking. The parking suits are an easy fix relative to the seating issues.
Less than 15 suits filed and the majority are over parking . A deliberate act by the trustees in order to raise more money . Also without notification to the ED until parking came out
Just info passed along that was obtained from the lawyers involved .
There are 5 cases in Harris County:
John Miller
George Harris Jr and Joesph Harris
Noel Blocker and Sandra Blocker
Robert Coltrin and Glenda Coltrin
Tom Tullos, Charles Moore, Albert Monroe, John Miller, Margie Hunt (as well as Harris and Blocker)
Those all deal with seating and parking.
Will have to pull up the others in Brazos County to verify those.
John Miller
George Harris Jr and Joesph Harris
Noel Blocker and Sandra Blocker
Robert Coltrin and Glenda Coltrin
Tom Tullos, Charles Moore, Albert Monroe, John Miller, Margie Hunt (as well as Harris and Blocker)
Those all deal with seating and parking.
Will have to pull up the others in Brazos County to verify those.
Are the Blockers referenced kids or grandkids of John Blocker?
you are very wrong IMO that parking is easy to fix
There are few hundred donors that their pp level does not get them in the A,B, or C lot
Those donors have been being moved to the fish lot for the last few years
Of course I am sure the TMF could tell the New Suite Donors that their parking is in the fish lot
There are few hundred donors that their pp level does not get them in the A,B, or C lot
Those donors have been being moved to the fish lot for the last few years
Of course I am sure the TMF could tell the New Suite Donors that their parking is in the fish lot
Probably best just to rotate seats among all season ticket holder. Kind of the fair share principle.
A binding contract in Texas must stipulate a term length.
12th man should just offer some curb side service typ shuttle for these eds having to go to fish lot....the fact this has gone to court is just silly for both sides. Can't wait till we build a garage and then people sue bc they have to park up a level and they thought they were promised ground level parking for life.....
ag2003,
Agree with EDs not deserving free club seats in 2nd deck on West side, certainly not consistent with value of seats in Old Kyle, regardless of location.
My written agreement with 12th Man, in 1992, stated I would receive seats in the Endowed Seating Section in Kyle for the rest of my life.
All the seat diagrams I saw during that era indicated just what you'd think, the Endowed Seating Area was the best seats in Kyle, between the 30s in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd decks, also the 'old' armchair seats in the 1st 5 rows of the 2nd deck.
I agree with not giving us the new club seats, in the 2nd deck, apples and oranges.
However, why not define the Endowed Seating Area as 'between the 30s in the 1st and 3rd deck', that would be consistent with many of the written agreements.
If EDs don't want those seats, they can opt out, and pay more for a different area.
I know, it doesn't maximize revenue, but seemed fair to me, I suggested this when Youngkin and I met with Van Houten and Dempsey 2 years ago, it seemed as if they were receptive.
Agree with EDs not deserving free club seats in 2nd deck on West side, certainly not consistent with value of seats in Old Kyle, regardless of location.
My written agreement with 12th Man, in 1992, stated I would receive seats in the Endowed Seating Section in Kyle for the rest of my life.
All the seat diagrams I saw during that era indicated just what you'd think, the Endowed Seating Area was the best seats in Kyle, between the 30s in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd decks, also the 'old' armchair seats in the 1st 5 rows of the 2nd deck.
I agree with not giving us the new club seats, in the 2nd deck, apples and oranges.
However, why not define the Endowed Seating Area as 'between the 30s in the 1st and 3rd deck', that would be consistent with many of the written agreements.
If EDs don't want those seats, they can opt out, and pay more for a different area.
I know, it doesn't maximize revenue, but seemed fair to me, I suggested this when Youngkin and I met with Van Houten and Dempsey 2 years ago, it seemed as if they were receptive.
Are most ED's not eligible to get the West 3rd Deck Armchairs? those were available really late in the selection process and are relatively cheap
Yes, those are good seats, wouldn't have required any additional donation by EDs.
We didn't want to sit in 3rd deck, opted for Zone Club, cost us a small additional amount, but, we think, well worth it, we'll see when seat selection occurs, we're way down in Priority Point pecking order.
Bottom line, we're not unhappy with selection process, just wish so much of it didn't depend on priority points, EDs have had no incentive in recent years to generate PPs, our seats were locked in.
I was frustrated by the fact that we had to select our section in New Kyle, without knowing where we stood in priority point selecting order within that section.
As I told Wagner and Torn, I wish they'd have reversed the process, instead of letting Endoweds select their section first, I'd have preferred to select my section based on pps, then be allowed to select my seats first in that section.
Some of the sections we like are huge, if you don't have enough pps, you can end up in lousy seats.
i still wish they'd have designated an Endowed Seating Area, exclude the second deck, make it consistent with Old Kyle, between the 30s in 1st and 3rd decks.
We didn't want to sit in 3rd deck, opted for Zone Club, cost us a small additional amount, but, we think, well worth it, we'll see when seat selection occurs, we're way down in Priority Point pecking order.
Bottom line, we're not unhappy with selection process, just wish so much of it didn't depend on priority points, EDs have had no incentive in recent years to generate PPs, our seats were locked in.
I was frustrated by the fact that we had to select our section in New Kyle, without knowing where we stood in priority point selecting order within that section.
As I told Wagner and Torn, I wish they'd have reversed the process, instead of letting Endoweds select their section first, I'd have preferred to select my section based on pps, then be allowed to select my seats first in that section.
Some of the sections we like are huge, if you don't have enough pps, you can end up in lousy seats.
i still wish they'd have designated an Endowed Seating Area, exclude the second deck, make it consistent with Old Kyle, between the 30s in 1st and 3rd decks.
New from TMF email sent last night
Lots A , H (fish lot ) , O (olsen lot) may not be available
when seating and parking appts happen for lower pp donors
Lots A , H (fish lot ) , O (olsen lot) may not be available
when seating and parking appts happen for lower pp donors
quote:The email said that those lots would be reduced somewhat due to construction, not unavailable. A will be about half the size that it was due to the expanded west stand, and the influx of money from the reseating would have seen some folks bumped out of A even if the configuration remained the same. O is permanently losing the spaces between the outfield wall and Rec Center due to the Rec expansion (and I think the staging area this year will take out more than will be the case in years going forward). Folks from A are being bumped to H, so that will displace some long-time H folks.
New from TMF email sent last night
Lots A , H (fish lot ) , O (olsen lot) may not be available
when seating and parking appts happen for lower pp donors
yes I understand how the bumping process works
and A will be smaller and hopefully less of an eyesore
Than it currently it is.
The A lot in the past maximized parking which was good but it was ugly
IMO all the good parking will be gone in the first few days of seat selection
leaving a lot of ags very mad
and A will be smaller and hopefully less of an eyesore
Than it currently it is.
The A lot in the past maximized parking which was good but it was ugly
IMO all the good parking will be gone in the first few days of seat selection
leaving a lot of ags very mad
quote:
This **** is embarrassing:
http://blog.chron.com/sportsupdate/2015/03/ams-12th-man-foundation-faces-another-suit-in-kyle-field-seating-rights/#20782101=0
30 years ago. Wow. I dislike these litigious guys.
well IMO it was colossal mistake to not include additional parking in the stadium expansion.
Yes. Parking should have been addressed in the rebuild.
However, all these suits are more about being in the same exact seat.
However, all these suits are more about being in the same exact seat.
Seeing as the first suit filed was about parking
when this started it was not about seats
it was about parking
The plaintiffs initial offer (IMO) certainly is way above what they should reasonably expect to get
but that is how lawsuits tend to work
Ask for something crazy and negotiate down from the initial offer
when this started it was not about seats
it was about parking
The plaintiffs initial offer (IMO) certainly is way above what they should reasonably expect to get
but that is how lawsuits tend to work
Ask for something crazy and negotiate down from the initial offer
quote:I wonder if those involved in the lawsuit go ahead and pick their seats. I am sure they will so they won't be left out totally.
A federal judge has denied a request to delay or alter the reseating process at Texas A&M University's Kyle Field to protect the interests of three longtime donors who have filed suit against the fund-raising 12th Man Foundation at A&M.
U.S. District Judge Rodney Gilstrap of Marshall said donors failed to meet "the high bar that the test of irreparable injury under the law requires" for a temporary restraining order or temporary injunction.
Three donors filed suit last week in federal court against the 12th Man Foundation, alleging breach of contract in conjunction with the plans to change seat locations for endowed foundation donors at Kyle Field, which is in the midst of a $485 million renovation.
Foundation attorneys also asked the court to dismiss the lawsuit for lack of jurisdiction. Since 96 percent of the approximately 440 donors affected by the reseating process are Texas residents, foundation attorneys say the controversy does not belong in federal court.
Individual donors have filed suit against the foundation in Harris, Tarrant, Hays, Jefferson, Gregg and Nueces counties.
Attorneys requested a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction against the foundation as it begins this week to assign new seat locations beginning with the 2015 football season.
http://blog.chron.com/sportsupdate/2015/03/federal-judge-wont-delay-reseating-process-at-kyle-field/
All Aggies. All big donors. The mere fact that there are this many lawsuits indicates to me that the TMF did not handle the situation optimally.
quote:
All Aggies. All big donors. The mere fact that there are this many lawsuits indicates to me that the TMF did not handle the situation optimally.
This many? Relative to what?
95%+ aren't suing. Getting 95%+ of any group of people to agree to anything is a remarkable success.
quote:YES AGREE!! I think it is pretty bad that these guys are in it for themselvesquote:
All Aggies. All big donors. The mere fact that there are this many lawsuits indicates to me that the TMF did not handle the situation optimally.
This many? Relative to what?
95%+ aren't suing. Getting 95%+ of any group of people to agree to anything is a remarkable success.
If anyone should be suing it's people like me...giving money for continuous YEARS, working my way up into the top 1000 donors....... then top 750..... then top 600... I've given way more cash than these guys and my parking priority has moved from the outback to lot C then to lot B then to lot A
and BAM!!! I am pushed out of prime parking because some guy comes along and buys a suite and gets a bunch of parking passes for it (multiply by the number of suites) all of Lot A,B,C are pretty well gone...then it's across the street, I'll be lucky to land in Reserved lot H
That is why I stopped my donations. I bought season tickets for close to 30 years. Lost my B lot perking when Welborn got expanded. Now the new seating BS. FU 12th Man Club. I'll find other ways to support my school that do not include 12th Man. The whole new Kyle field was poorly researched and thought out. Nothing but a hurry up money grab. You folks saying whatever the 12 th Man wants they should get will surely get yours from them in the future. And I bet your loyalties will suffer also.
one of the best timed money grabs i've ever seen. During $100 oil times and JFF's Heisman
quote:Agree and not want to spend thousands of dollars on a lawsuit isn't quite the same thing.quote:
All Aggies. All big donors. The mere fact that there are this many lawsuits indicates to me that the TMF did not handle the situation optimally.
This many? Relative to what?
95%+ aren't suing. Getting 95%+ of any group of people to agree to anything is a remarkable success.
quote:
This many? Relative to what?
95%+ aren't suing. Getting 95%+ of any group of people to agree to anything is a remarkable success.
It's impossible to know, of course, but I see 5% taking the time and effort to sue as being and indicator of very high dissatisfaction. If even 1 in 10 of the dissatisfied people were willing to take their alma mater to court, that would be 50% dissatisfied to some extent. And I think 1 in 10 filing lawsuits would be extraordinary. So, yeah, I think 5% suing shows a decidedly non-optimal job by the TMF. And that depends upon one's opinion of "optimal". If one's notion of "optimal" in this case is "maximum cash" then they wouldn't share my opinion.
That sounds good but are the numbers "5%" and "1 out of 10" completely made up? Multiplying made up numbers together is no way to get a real observation.
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