That whole "you must draft the best player and not what your team needs adage" went completely out the window.

On a side not I hate the Texans! They are dead to me now. I can't wait to see Johnny break his size 13 shoes off in their ass and choke them out with his 9.5" hands on Nov 16th.

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Actually, that was yesterday...

HTH

wasn't drafting Clowney taking the best player rather than what they needed?

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wasn't drafting Clowney taking the best player rather than what they needed?

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wasn't drafting Clowney taking the best player rather than what they needed?

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Yes ... A defensive end with double digit sacks one year in three and only 3 sacks last year is the best player ...

he was considered the best prospect by the vast majority of scouts and the texans. I understand you don't agree, but the OP still make no sense whatsoever.

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wasn't drafting Clowney taking the best player rather than what they needed?

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Clowney? Best player? Lmao

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Clowney also saw his teammate ,and a sure fire top 10 pick, tear up his knee and lose millions . He did what's best for his future and he was right.

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so there's that.

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he was considered the best prospect by the vast majority of scouts and the texans. I understand you don't agree, but the OP still make no sense whatsoever.

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He was considered the best player based on Highschool hype and stats he was one year removed from. This will turn out like the vast majority of their DL draft picks over the past few years.

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he was considered the best prospect by the vast majority of scouts and the texans. I understand you don't agree, but the OP still make no sense whatsoever.

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This is because the majority of scouts judge by the package and not what's actually in the contents of the package.

"Clowney is terrible look his stats went down"

JFF is still great eventhough the best team we beat last year was
Duke

JFF gets a lot of love for what he did 2 seasons ago but hey this texags I would not expect consistent logic

Almost every team had Clowney rated the best player in the draft.

JFF is going to make 'em pay!!

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"Clowney is terrible look his stats went down"

JFF is still great eventhough the best team we beat last year was
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JFF gets a lot of love for what he did 2 seasons ago but hey this texags I would not expect consistent logic

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He was better this past year stats wise...

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Yes ... A defensive end with double digit sacks one year in three and only 3 sacks last year is the best player ...

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I would have preferred that the Texans take Johnny over Clowney too, but let's be serious here. Clowney was hugely hyped up after 2012 (especially after "the hit"), so what did teams do? They double-, triple-, quadruple-teamed him, which reduced his effectiveness drastically. They won't be able to do that with guys like Watt on the line.

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Yes ... A defensive end with double digit sacks one year in three and only 3 sacks last year is the best player ...

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I would have preferred that the Texans take Johnny over Clowney too, but let's be serious here. Clowney was hugely hyped up after 2012 (especially after "the hit"), so what did teams do? They double-, triple-, quadruple-teamed him, which reduced his effectiveness drastically. They won't be able to do that with guys like Watt on the line.

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Yah.... You don't triple or quadruple team someone in football. It doesn't work. HTH.

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Yah.... You don't triple or quadruple team someone in football. It doesn't work. HTH.

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Really? Could have sworn his stats dropped this year. Maybe you're right, O Master of Football Knowledge!

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I would have preferred that the Texans take Johnny over Clowney too, but let's be serious here. Clowney was hugely hyped up after 2012 (especially after "the hit"), so what did teams do? They double-, triple-, quadruple-teamed him, which reduced his effectiveness drastically. They won't be able to do that with guys like Watt on the line.

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No they did not. If you watched any South Carolina games the teams they faced might have used a RB to chip block him occasionally but mostly mid-tier tackles stuffed his rush game after game. 2 of his 3 sacks came from the left end position versus a RT because they moved him all over trying to find a mismatch once it was clear most LT's controlled him.

Looh forward to seeing who was right.

This board is full Of morans. Most people here think they could be an nfl gm and evaluate talent better than anyone because they played hs ball. And had it not been for a knee injury they would have played d1 and not flag football with their college roommates.

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Group-think at it's finest.

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Yah.... You don't triple or quadruple team someone in football. It doesn't work. HTH.

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Really? Could have sworn his stats dropped this year. Maybe you're right, O Master of Football Knowledge!

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His stats did drop this year. Mostly due to his desire to take plays off. Some due to teams running away from him. Some due to double teams. But if you think for one second ANY team will put 3-4 blocker on one guy, you are horribly wrong.

1. Where exactly do 3 giant men block one person? There isn't enough room on even the biggest DL for 3 guys to block him legally.

2. 3 lineman blocking one guy? Just how many linebackers of you want running through the line without being touched? 4 is even more absurd. It's not hard

lol at triple and quadruple team.

I don't fault the Texans one bit for taking Clowney @ #1, but they are absolute morons for not moving back up and taking Manziel at around 20.

It would have taken very little in terms of draft picks (the #33 pick and a 4th round pick).

They could have gone home last night with Clowney & Manziel. Unreal fail.

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http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/2/21/5427664/jadeveon-clowney-2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report

On potential pass rush plays:

"Furthermore, I also counted out of those plays how many times opponents 'double-teamed' him -- where double-team equals either a running back, guard or both coming over to help out the offensive tackle blocking Clowney.

Only one out of the five teams double-teamed Clowney less than half of the time on those plays: North Carolina."

Oldarmy:

I think texans will regret passing on JFF. Bit you are dead wrong about the double teams.

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His outside rush against LT' S were controlled. Yeah in a normal blocking scheme the guard covers the inside gap and teams kept the guard towards Clowney. The OP claims triple even quadruple-teamed and I'd love to see tape of that. And the double team was rare because Clowney was simply ineffective. Not dead wrong. Watch some games.



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I'm with Ag4- I think south Carolina would of been in the national championship game with two defensive players never blocked on each and every play.

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No they did not. If you watched any South Carolina games the teams they faced might have used a RB to chip block him occasionally but mostly mid-tier tackles stuffed his rush game after game.

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http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/2/21/5427664/jadeveon-clowney-2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report

On potential pass rush plays:

"Furthermore, I also counted out of those plays how many times opponents 'double-teamed' him -- where double-team equals either a running back, guard or both coming over to help out the offensive tackle blocking Clowney.

Only one out of the five teams double-teamed Clowney less than half of the time on those plays: North Carolina."

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So where were the triple and quadruple teams?

I couldn't care less about the Texans nor who they drafted, but I know one thing... Clowney will be a bust. Sure, he'll have glimpses when he actually plays hard every third or fourth play, but he just became a millionaire and didn't even have to play all out to get it. What makes people think he'll be motivated now?

Enjoy the crappy pick, Houston fans.

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lol at triple and quadruple team.

I don't fault the Texans one bit for taking Clowney @ #1, but they are absolute morons for not moving back up and taking Manziel at around 20.

It would have taken very little in terms of draft picks (the #33 pick and a 4th round pick).

They could have gone home last night with Clowney & Manziel. Unreal fail.

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where double-team equals either a running back, guard or both coming over to help out the offensive tackle blocking Clowney.

Reading comprehension, brah. Sure, quadruple-team was hyperbole. But there were absolutely triple teams.

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where double-team equals either a running back, guard or both coming over to help out the offensive tackle blocking Clowney.

Reading comprehension, brah. Sure, quadruple-team was hyperbole. But there were absolutely triple teams.

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I just want you to envision this. Two, full grown lineman blocking one man. You're a running back. Where do you feel is the best place to get so much as a hand on him?

In addition, I don't know of a single blocking scheme that would have a guard and tackle double teaming a DE while simultaneously having RB coming to help. This would leave a hole of the size of Texas for any linebacker to demolish the qb. If this analyst ever saw a triple team like this, it was a busted assignment.

Football comprehension brah

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I just want you to envision this. Two, full grown lineman blocking one man. You're a running back. Where do you feel is the best place to get so much as a hand on him?

In addition, I don't know of a single blocking scheme that would have a guard and tackle double teaming a DE while simultaneously having RB coming to help. This would leave a hole of the size of Texas for any linebacker to demolish the qb. If this analyst ever saw a triple team like this, it was a busted assignment.

Football comprehension brah

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And yet it happened! Maybe you should go coach at some of these schools to bring your vast defensive knowledge to them!

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I just want you to envision this. Two, full grown lineman blocking one man. You're a running back. Where do you feel is the best place to get so much as a hand on him?

In addition, I don't know of a single blocking scheme that would have a guard and tackle double teaming a DE while simultaneously having RB coming to help. This would leave a hole of the size of Texas for any linebacker to demolish the qb. If this analyst ever saw a triple team like this, it was a busted assignment.

Football comprehension brah

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No. No it didn't. That's what I'm saying. Maybe he saw one or two busted assignments. Tops. I hardly call that a triple-team scheme designed for Clowney. It's not like teams game planned this against him and used it regularly. One retarded running back went the wrong way or a lineman heard the wrong call

Maybe you should watch football

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My point in the OP was not that he was the best overall, but he certainly was better than #22.

Also I am in Malaysia so it is still today here. I am in the future.

CLASS of '96
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President of the Malaysia Aggie Club