http://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/369890014756634624

@darrenrovell: Some Aggies fans are questioning authenticity of authenticated Manziel autographs. Our sources verify Johnny at 6 signings.

[This message has been edited by TelcoAg (edited 8/20/2013 2:04p).]

Too funny!

If you just want to get a rise out of Rovell, or see what dumb **** he says next, go ahead a tweet Rovell. Otherwise its useless, because he has gone all-in on JFF being guilty and will never back down, even if God Almighty descended from Heaven and proclaimed JFF innocent. He's staked his career on guilty, and he ain't giving up.

from that hauls of shame link:

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Our source, urged collectors and dealers to report all suspect items authenticated by JSA to the New York office of the FBI at: ny1@ic.fbi.gov. Our source also suggests that anyone who feels they have been victimized by a JSA letter of authenticity should report their situation to the New Jersey Attorney General’s office Division of Consumer Affairs at: askconsumeraffairs@lps.state.nj.us.

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anyone wanna reach out?

Too funny that the clown has six sources, the six sources are afraid to speak and he's monitoring the zoo to shoot down any facts that might be exposed before they hit twitter space.

AG investigating JSA? Should we assume guilt?

Pretty sure his "sources" are lying sacks of **** trying to cover their own ***es for a plethora of forgeries, and JSA/PSA/DNA are caught in the middle because they put their name and less than sterling reputations on them.


What Rovell will refuse to admit is his "sources" have every reason to lie to save their own skin.

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@darrenrovell: Some Aggies fans are questioning authenticity of authenticated Manziel autographs. Our sources verify Johnny at 6 signings.

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Keep banking on those sources rovell. It will end up as good as the nba lockout escort story was for you.

Someone needs to keep a "chronicals of rovell". Maybe Dodds is driving this bus.

"money"
"no money"
"video"
"No video"
"Number of items"
"Number of signings"
"Darn it rovell hates JF"

my paranoia has been replaced by enjoyment of rovell's squirming. this is pretty amusing.

Problem is, this clown can post a "new" story with no new information and the same shady sources, and it'll be plastered across the scrawl and on every ESPN radio show and sports center every 30 minutes. They can continue to smear johnny and A&M for the national audience.

Rovell and Schadd are a joke. My favorite Schadd source is "a prominent broker in the South East". By adding the word "prominent" he is trying to put lipstick on a pig.

These memorabilia guys are pretty much bottom of the barrel types. And these authentication companies will authenticate anything one of their good customers sends them. You can wipe your ass with their certificates.

There is a reason we do not allow hearsay to be admitted in a court of law. You can't cross examine the "source". Joe Schadd and Darren Rovell both want this story to be true that they are unwilling to give any background on the character or potential motives of their sources.

I would not be surprised if Schadd fabricated the story of the alleged video of Johnny signing for a broker at the Walter Camp awards. It wasn't very long ago that a New York Times writer was caught completely making stuff up. I have serious doubts about any reporting that relies completely on unnamed sources and video evidence that nobody other than the reporter has seen.

I think Johnny is plenty capable of doing stupid things and would not be surprised if the allegations are true. But the terrible reporting by these jokers is appalling. The story lacks credibility.

I'm still waiting for any other reporter from any news organization to talk to a single source that payed Johhny to sign, or arraigned for Johnnny to sign, or even saw him sign. From the ESPN stories dozens of people fitting in one of those categories must exist. You would think that a reporter from one of the 100 news organizations covering this story could find a single one of them to talk to....

I am still wanting to know why the substantial move in the betting line before the story broke.

It's going to take the lawyers in body armor and kevlars in court to finalize this......then comes the countersuit against espin when and if JFF misses a snap....the Manziels may own espin before its all over....

I just hope JF is the difference in the game, big money is lost and they take it out on the source.

You guys comfortable that all the good guys' attorneys know all this stuff? Or should links be sent to them somehow?

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They also authenticated stacks of photos for some of their "well known" clients.

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But take ESPN's word for it. Their anonymous sources can confirm that this definitely did not happen with any Manziel autographs.

So if we buy up all the items and have them authenticated by Chris and then send them to JSA to be labeled forgeries, will the case be closed?

So Rovell just claimed on Twitter that he doesn't know Rich Altman. I googled him just to see who the guy was, and DR quoted him for an article ON FORGED SIGNATURES.


http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:yuq9sHrMWn0J:espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/2002/0708/1403337.html+rich+altman+darren+rovell&client=safari&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1

(link is wacked - only way I could read it)

clarke thats hilarious

i capped an image of the page for reference: http://i.imgur.com/L9WLTJz.png

[This message has been edited by reb, (edited 8/20/2013 5:55p).]

TP, Manziel Research prolly has already got that covered.

maybe not so hilarious after all

This guy wanting to give DR info may or may not be a huge crackpot.

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So Rovell just claimed on Twitter that he doesn't know Rich Altman.

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He actually says that he "knows of him." Read it wrong the first time as well.

So Rovell has been using Spence as a source since at least 2002. Over 10 years they have known each other. They must be buddy buddy after that much time esp during that period Rovell never even mentioned the FBI investigations of Spence /JSA or all of the accusations of forgery. Really? solid jounalism. Must be in cahoots together and he doesn't want to slaughter the fatten calf.

[This message has been edited by Gigem_94 (edited 8/20/2013 7:50p).]

Did anyone ask for "Rule 1" supporting evidence from Rovell's sources? Or do none of them own camera or smart phones in this day & age?

So let me get this straight...

Rovell has based his entire reportage of this story on anonymous sources, a huge volume of signed memorabilia, a picture of JFF signing a handful of pictures, and an inaudible comment on a video which nobody but ESPN has seen.

Additionally, these sources are paid authenticators who presumably derive their income from vouching for the authenticity of the items. If these items were forgeries and he was rubber stamping these forgeries, JSA's livelihood would be compromised. The proof of these thousands of items is one picture of JFF signing a handful of pictures in a hotel room and a video which nobody seen or heard except Rovell.

It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to deduce that these anonymous sources might be covering their own butt for rubber stamping potentially thousands of forgeries for their best clients. Rovell has acknowledged these authenticators derive millions of dollars in revenue from their clients. There surely is a tendency to push their authentication business through people who don't hold up the process or ask too many questions.

But its all OK, because Rovell says he's double checked with his sources (anonymous) who have courageously put their reputations (anonymous) on the line stating that indeed the thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of items they have authenticated are real and indeed signed by JFF. Because if the rubber stamping all this memorabilia for their best clients (who pay him millions of dollars per year)were to come to light, then the authenticators anonymous reputation would be ruined.

He seems very incurious about the possibility that there could be some alternative motives at play here.

Really, in my opinion, the sheer volume of the autographs was the most damning evidence. But now it might also demonstrate that these memorabilia brokers, authenticators etc have lots of big money to lose if they have been running a racket peddling wholesale forgeries as legitimate items.

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Did anyone ask for "Rule 1" supporting evidence from Rovell's sources? Or do none of them own camera or smart phones in this day & age?

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I got a picture of his wife, yes.

Very well put AginNebraska.

The "journalism" involved here wouldn't be tollorated at a real news org, which again, is probably why NO OTHER NEWS ORGANIZATION has done any actual reporting on this story. Not a single interview on or off the record with anyone who claims to have seen anything.

Please recognize, I don't have my head in the sand. I'm a complete 'homer' when it comes to my Aggies. These accusations are more than possible given Johnny's YOLO approach to life.

However, it seems to me that a syndicated 'journalist' who weaves rumor from anonymous sources and innuendo into his stories is irresponsible. There are some weird motives at play some of which could explain some of the motivations. (1) sabotaging rival memorabilia brokers and authenticators as described in the haul of shame article, (2) getting back at JFF for potentially sicking the trademark lawyers on them or (3) who knows what else.

I am at least a little curious about the motivations of these sources. Why isn't Rovell more suspicious or curious? That's his job isn't it? Its odd that authenticators/brokers who derive their living from sucking up to celebrities would roll-over on one of those celebrities without some kind of alterior motive. It certainly isn't about 'purity of the sport' or some such nonsense.

I think there is some level of Hell (just below puppy-killer and cat jugglers) reserved for memorabilia brokers and authenticators.

[This message has been edited by Aginnebraska (edited 8/20/2013 9:08p).]