The history is nice but let's get ready for 14 September....as for the continuing Bama whining...just forget about it and press on.

Good thread. For some reason in the past month I've heard and read nothing but excuses from Bama fans, unwilling to recognize that the Aggies earned that win. FACTS!

Good work

Good stuff Analogy. Another point to add is the total number of three and outs for both teams ( not including drives ended by the clock) and drives of 50 yards or more. BTW, the ESPN box score has Yeldon with 2.9 ypc.

What I think is the ultimate irony is over time most other football fans have diminished our win to nothing more than dumb luck and Alabama just throwing the game away....I was talking to a dude yesterday and I go alright so if I admit that we got lucky against bama do you admit that LSU didn't deserve to beat us? They won the turnover battle 4-0 and that was just lucky too right? His response, well that's LSU, they're supposed to cause turnovers.

I believe that we could win the next 20 national championships with 20 different head coaches and 20 different QBs, and people would still say stuff like "you'll be back to the bottom eventually", "only 20 good years..." etc.

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A receiver on offense is allowed to drag a toe or touch a toe in bounds for a reception. If this was an offensive play and the receiver caught the ball it would have been ruled a catch. Are you saying a defensive reception (or interception) should not be ruled the same?

IMO; the rule in both circumstances should be the same.

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They are ruled the same. He didn't drag his toe. His toe just happened to come down first in what was a continuous toe-heel motion. If it would have been a offensive receiver it would have been incomplete as well.

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That said, it is debatable that he got his RIGHT heel down before his left came down. It's tough to see just when the left made contact w/ ground compared to the right.

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Because his left toe came down first, it doesn't matter where his right heel came down. His left foot was the first one down and it was out of bounds. His right heel would have needed to hit before his left toe for that to matter.

But back to the OP, great analysis. It's great to have numbers to put away this argument.

"In all games, there is a loser and a winner. There will always be excuses for losing and there will always be excuses for winning, as well. Winning is not an accident. Bottom line...the game is measured by the scoreboard. The team with the most points played better that day, as playing better can only be defined as scoring more points than your opponent, as that is THE objective o the game."

Quote by 12th Ag from "World's Best Sports Quotes".

Nice write-up

nice write-up analorgy

The question I have is if his right heel hit PRIOR to the left foot coming all the way down. That is why I always said it should be an INT. The rule is clear on the toe foot call and it goes both ways?

adsl - Do you have a "still" of the left toe and right heel you could blow up?

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He didn't drag his toe. His toe just happened to come down first in what was a continuous toe-heel motion

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Exactly, his toe came down first (forward or backward). Dragging a toe is continuous and eventually a heal comes down, as a toe touch and step out of bounds (sideways). If an offensive receiver made this play it would have been ruled complete.

It is never ruled complete based on the left foot. If he had dragged his toe to out of bounds and THEN his heel comes down it is a completion/INT.

But the toe-heel rule is perfectly clear that if your toe hits but the rest of your foot comes down anywhere on the bounds line then it is incomplete.

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Exactly, his toe came down first (forward or backward). Dragging a toe is continuous and eventually a heal comes down, as a toe touch and step out of bounds (sideways). If an offensive receiver made this play it would have been ruled complete.

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This is false. I can't believe you think there is a different rule for offensive and defensive players.

A catch is a catch and this was NOT a catch.

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The history is nice but let's get ready for 14 September....as for the continuing Bama whining...just forget about it and press on.

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Agree will all of this. Great points by OP.

Every loss in the history of sport has been explained away..by the losing team. Bama fans are no different than the rest of us in that aspect.

Bring on the next test.

I just absolutely love that A&M took that game away from Bama, and WON it in every single aspect. There were no flukes, no excuses, A&M straight up was the better team that day.

Great job OP. Really well done.

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Because his left toe came down first, it doesn't matter where his right heel came down. His left foot was the first one down and it was out of bounds. His right heel would have needed to hit before his left toe for that to matter.

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I understand what your saying BQ, but what is your basis for this interpretation? I did not necessarily get this from the cited rule.

It seems from the cited rule you could interpret it that if the right heel tapped the ground before any part of the left foot is out of bounds, then it should be ruled a catch. The heal tap should be the same as a toe tap or drag.

Yes, we won. Yes, great points by OP. Yes, we tapped that azz that day.
And Baylor beat KState last year too.

But....they still won the MNC. We went to the Cotton Bowl.
They pulled thru the entire season with the bullseye planted squarely on them. We were the surprise of the season.

Not sure why we keep dubbing this game with "come and take it". They are still the champs. If anybody is taking anything from anybody, it should be us taking the trophy away from them, and nothing else.

Very curious to see how we handle having the bullseye on us for a change. This year people will likely get more hyped to play us than they will Bama.

Agreed we were the better team that day and I feel like we won it rather than bama losing it.

Since we are talking about officials rulings, can someone please explain to me how Fulton tackling Evans in the endzone before the ball arrives was not pass interference, not too mention how he holds him when he runs the route too? This was a 3rd down right before we missed the fieldgoal. Fulton got away with murder all game...

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The toe coming down then the heal is the kicker. If he dragged his toe till out of bounds or if his toes hit an lifted off the ground before the heal then it is a completion considered a toe tap. Also if his right foot hit right before the left then the left heal being out would be void and therefor a catch. It's the same for receivers as it is for defense. No difference at all. The real review was whether or not the right foot hit before the left heal.
I think it was a good call but unfortunate for us because of how close and the emotions of the game.
The only thing that is scary is that as well as we played with no turnovers, they were 3 yards from scoring which would leave us with 1:30 to score I believe. That means a field goal wins it or ties it. Not to take this to a kicker bash thread but my confidence in us winning/tieing that game by Taylor making a game tieing/winning kick... well it's not good.
We outplayed the straight up, but we were a lot closer to losing than it would seem and every play the fans were at the edge of their seat. Great game for us and my favorite ever to watch. I've seen to many Aggie games to even count and the implications behind this one in my opinion beat anything recruiting wise and perception wise... Obviously beating down OU helped solidify that our game wasn't a fluke vs BAMA.

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BQ, not only have you pwnd me once, but you have pwnd me again. Much respect to you, good sir.

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You are clearly new here. NOBODY here admits they were wrong.

Kudos for candor.

Strange that our Bama visitors haven't weighed in on this thread.

Well done OP.

Sent this OP in an email to a Bama coworker that has continued to lean on some of the same excuses and got this back:

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love that you are still thinking about it. Please continue to work yourself mentally into that place that all other SEC schools and fans do, they think about Alabama, whether Bama is winning or losing, they still think about us.

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We better beat them again this year.

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Exactly, his toe came down first (forward or backward). Dragging a toe is continuous and eventually a heal comes down, as a toe touch and step out of bounds (sideways). If an offensive receiver made this play it would have been ruled complete.

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Wrong.

A dragging toe is an established part of the body moving on the field.

A heel coming down is a foot still in the process of trying to establish possession.

They're entirely different - a dragging toe touches out of bounds only after that same part of the body has established itself in bounds.

Otherwise, every time a player catches a ball where he lands with his foot on the line, they'd have to review which part came down first (which they don't cause it doesn't matter).

Short of coming down with the heel in bounds the only thing Everett could have done would be to land on the toes (as he did) and then "hop" out of bounds. Doing that means that he established possession and then left the field after that without letting the heel be part of the process at all.

That interception reminds of the interception we had against Nebraska in 2010. They countrf that one for us.

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Because his left toe came down first, it doesn't matter where his right heel came down. His left foot was the first one down and it was out of bounds. His right heel would have needed to hit before his left toe for that to matter.

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If you go back and read, that's exactly my point. I said that it was possible the right heel hit before the left heel came down out of bounds. It is very difficult to tell from that grainy video the exact moment the left heel touched ground.

Great OP!

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Yes, we won. Yes, great points by OP. Yes, we tapped that azz that day.
And Baylor beat KState last year too.

But....they still won the MNC. We went to the Cotton Bowl.
They pulled thru the entire season with the bullseye planted squarely on them. We were the surprise of the season.

Not sure why we keep dubbing this game with "come and take it". They are still the champs. If anybody is taking anything from anybody, it should be us taking the trophy away from them, and nothing else.

Very curious to see how we handle having the bullseye on us for a change. This year people will likely get more hyped to play us than they will Bama.

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This thread is exactly why there is a 'come and take it' mentality. We owned the team that was supposed to be our new 'big brother' in their house. They feel like we stole something by winning that game. They've seen JFF play now so no more surprises, we got lucky b/c they were down after an emotional win over LSU, blah blah blah.

Yeah well, let's rumble again big guys. We took your pride from you on your turf, now you 'come and take it' from us then.

Ya, and we're gonna do it to them again.

I concur

To all of BamaNation, quit whining. You sound like Texas after the NC game in 2009.

"Oh, if only Colt had not gotten hurt, we would have whipped your arse"

Oh, oh if only AJ had made that pass etc etc

See how lame you sound. Aggie won fair and square. Let the Ags enjoy a class win.

So, to all my fellow Bama faithfull, STFU and get the ribs, brisket etc marinating for Sept 14th.

Otherwise,get a Dog.

Bamaoldtimer

OP.

Bammers and their, "we won the fourth quarter" stupid excuses...