I didn't say anything about sinking her, I just said let her rest with the Missouri at Pearl Harbor.Bregxit said:CanyonAg77 said:Nobody is going to sink her, I was just making a ridiculous comparison.Bregxit said:
And why sink Texas at Pearl Harbor? She wasn't there for the attack. Makes zero sense.
It sounded like what 87 up above was suggesting.
tree91 said:
For those who have taken the tour, do you get to go on the ship, or is it just a walk around the hull? Is it worth a special trip to Galveston to do it?
Was that because the ship was unsafe before the renovation? I'd think being allowed to actually go on board would be a major motivator for more people to visit.DrEvazanPhD said:tree91 said:
For those who have taken the tour, do you get to go on the ship, or is it just a walk around the hull? Is it worth a special trip to Galveston to do it?
They take you around the hull, but not on the ship proper. It was 100% worth it
there will be plenty of time after the construction is done. Right now the outside is almost as fascinating. You get to see what was messed up, what they've fixed, what they will and won't fix, etc. There's still some teak wood from the original hull laid down in 1912 that's visible.74OA said:Was that because the ship was unsafe before the renovation? I'd think being allowed to actually go on board would be a major motivator for more people to visit.DrEvazanPhD said:tree91 said:
For those who have taken the tour, do you get to go on the ship, or is it just a walk around the hull? Is it worth a special trip to Galveston to do it?
They take you around the hull, but not on the ship proper. It was 100% worth it
Regarding going inside, I think most all the lower decks have been closed for 30 years or more. I remember back in the 1980's you used to be able to climb down essentially to the water INSIDE the ship - think it was resting in the muck during those days and no longer "floating".DrEvazanPhD said:there will be plenty of time after the construction is done. Right now the outside is almost as fascinating. You get to see what was messed up, what they've fixed, what they will and won't fix, etc. There's still some teak wood from the original hull laid down in 1912 that's visible.74OA said:Was that because the ship was unsafe before the renovation? I'd think being allowed to actually go on board would be a major motivator for more people to visit.DrEvazanPhD said:tree91 said:
For those who have taken the tour, do you get to go on the ship, or is it just a walk around the hull? Is it worth a special trip to Galveston to do it?
They take you around the hull, but not on the ship proper. It was 100% worth it
are any of the battleships on display a national monument outside of the USS Arizona? I bet not, most are owned by the State I would assume.fka ftc said:Regarding going inside, I think most all the lower decks have been closed for 30 years or more. I remember back in the 1980's you used to be able to climb down essentially to the water INSIDE the ship - think it was resting in the muck during those days and no longer "floating".DrEvazanPhD said:there will be plenty of time after the construction is done. Right now the outside is almost as fascinating. You get to see what was messed up, what they've fixed, what they will and won't fix, etc. There's still some teak wood from the original hull laid down in 1912 that's visible.74OA said:Was that because the ship was unsafe before the renovation? I'd think being allowed to actually go on board would be a major motivator for more people to visit.DrEvazanPhD said:tree91 said:
For those who have taken the tour, do you get to go on the ship, or is it just a walk around the hull? Is it worth a special trip to Galveston to do it?
They take you around the hull, but not on the ship proper. It was 100% worth it
One would imagine those lower decks have to be in extremely poor shape. Many "normal" size Texans these days, including myself, would have a hard time navigating those small areas if they are restored.
Nevertheless, would be awesome to have as much access a they can afford to restore. That ship is a unique treasure to the US and should be designated as a National Monument and appropriately funded (I assume it is not a national monument, happy if I am mistaken).
That' true. The Texas was really the first major museum ship in the US, and almost everything we know as far as preserving these ships was done on the Texas first. When it was first moored at San Jacinto, they moved it in, filled up the fuel tanks with sea water, beached it, and left it, complete with the rudder at its final 13 degree angle. Now, after the renovation in the late 80's some parts of the lower decks were accessible, and they had even done a fairly substantial renovation on one of the engines. They offered some hard hat tours there for a while that took you to the engine room, gun turrets, etc., and i think the ultimate goal is to get those portions of the ship open for business.fka ftc said:Regarding going inside, I think most all the lower decks have been closed for 30 years or more. I remember back in the 1980's you used to be able to climb down essentially to the water INSIDE the ship - think it was resting in the muck during those days and no longer "floating".DrEvazanPhD said:there will be plenty of time after the construction is done. Right now the outside is almost as fascinating. You get to see what was messed up, what they've fixed, what they will and won't fix, etc. There's still some teak wood from the original hull laid down in 1912 that's visible.74OA said:Was that because the ship was unsafe before the renovation? I'd think being allowed to actually go on board would be a major motivator for more people to visit.DrEvazanPhD said:tree91 said:
For those who have taken the tour, do you get to go on the ship, or is it just a walk around the hull? Is it worth a special trip to Galveston to do it?
They take you around the hull, but not on the ship proper. It was 100% worth it
One would imagine those lower decks have to be in extremely poor shape. Many "normal" size Texans these days, including myself, would have a hard time navigating those small areas if they are restored.
Nevertheless, would be awesome to have as much access a they can afford to restore. That ship is a unique treasure to the US and should be designated as a National Monument and appropriately funded (I assume it is not a national monument, happy if I am mistaken).
Thanks. I was enquiring about on-board tours after the renovation and return to home port, not while it's still in dry dock undergoing work. Sorry for the confusion.DrEvazanPhD said:That' true. The Texas was really the first major museum ship in the US, and almost everything we know as far as preserving these ships was done on the Texas first. When it was first moored at San Jacinto, they moved it in, filled up the fuel tanks with sea water, beached it, and left it, complete with the rudder at its final 13 degree angle. Now, after the renovation in the late 80's some parts of the lower decks were accessible, and they had even done a fairly substantial renovation on one of the engines. They offered some hard hat tours there for a while that took you to the engine room, gun turrets, etc., and i think the ultimate goal is to get those portions of the ship open for business.fka ftc said:Regarding going inside, I think most all the lower decks have been closed for 30 years or more. I remember back in the 1980's you used to be able to climb down essentially to the water INSIDE the ship - think it was resting in the muck during those days and no longer "floating".DrEvazanPhD said:there will be plenty of time after the construction is done. Right now the outside is almost as fascinating. You get to see what was messed up, what they've fixed, what they will and won't fix, etc. There's still some teak wood from the original hull laid down in 1912 that's visible.74OA said:Was that because the ship was unsafe before the renovation? I'd think being allowed to actually go on board would be a major motivator for more people to visit.DrEvazanPhD said:tree91 said:
For those who have taken the tour, do you get to go on the ship, or is it just a walk around the hull? Is it worth a special trip to Galveston to do it?
They take you around the hull, but not on the ship proper. It was 100% worth it
One would imagine those lower decks have to be in extremely poor shape. Many "normal" size Texans these days, including myself, would have a hard time navigating those small areas if they are restored.
Nevertheless, would be awesome to have as much access a they can afford to restore. That ship is a unique treasure to the US and should be designated as a National Monument and appropriately funded (I assume it is not a national monument, happy if I am mistaken).
I know the purpose of the dry dock trip now is not to fix the inside of the ship. Dry dock time is expensive, and the interior renovations can be done once the ship has been refloated. The main purpose now is hull renovation and the redesign/replacement of the torpedo blisters.
I think that's the plan. The lower decks probably won't be accessible for quite some time, but that shouldn't stop it from being open for business once it's in a more permanent location74OA said:Thanks. I was enquiring about on-board tours after the renovation and return to home port, not while it's still in dry dock undergoing work. Sorry for the confusion.DrEvazanPhD said:That' true. The Texas was really the first major museum ship in the US, and almost everything we know as far as preserving these ships was done on the Texas first. When it was first moored at San Jacinto, they moved it in, filled up the fuel tanks with sea water, beached it, and left it, complete with the rudder at its final 13 degree angle. Now, after the renovation in the late 80's some parts of the lower decks were accessible, and they had even done a fairly substantial renovation on one of the engines. They offered some hard hat tours there for a while that took you to the engine room, gun turrets, etc., and i think the ultimate goal is to get those portions of the ship open for business.fka ftc said:Regarding going inside, I think most all the lower decks have been closed for 30 years or more. I remember back in the 1980's you used to be able to climb down essentially to the water INSIDE the ship - think it was resting in the muck during those days and no longer "floating".DrEvazanPhD said:there will be plenty of time after the construction is done. Right now the outside is almost as fascinating. You get to see what was messed up, what they've fixed, what they will and won't fix, etc. There's still some teak wood from the original hull laid down in 1912 that's visible.74OA said:Was that because the ship was unsafe before the renovation? I'd think being allowed to actually go on board would be a major motivator for more people to visit.DrEvazanPhD said:tree91 said:
For those who have taken the tour, do you get to go on the ship, or is it just a walk around the hull? Is it worth a special trip to Galveston to do it?
They take you around the hull, but not on the ship proper. It was 100% worth it
One would imagine those lower decks have to be in extremely poor shape. Many "normal" size Texans these days, including myself, would have a hard time navigating those small areas if they are restored.
Nevertheless, would be awesome to have as much access a they can afford to restore. That ship is a unique treasure to the US and should be designated as a National Monument and appropriately funded (I assume it is not a national monument, happy if I am mistaken).
I know the purpose of the dry dock trip now is not to fix the inside of the ship. Dry dock time is expensive, and the interior renovations can be done once the ship has been refloated. The main purpose now is hull renovation and the redesign/replacement of the torpedo blisters.
Even if limited to just a deck walkaround and few above deck locations such as a gun turret and the bridge, it would still add a lot of value to a visit.
Was the seawall ever an option?Ag_of_08 said:
Travis and the other crew have been pretty adamant that seawall is not practical from a dredging point, a preservation point, or accessibility by car. It's just not realistic, even though it would be the most impressive spot.
DrEvazanPhD said:Was the seawall ever an option?Ag_of_08 said:
Travis and the other crew have been pretty adamant that seawall is not practical from a dredging point, a preservation point, or accessibility by car. It's just not realistic, even though it would be the most impressive spot.
ohhh. That makes more sense.p_bubel said:DrEvazanPhD said:Was the seawall ever an option?Ag_of_08 said:
Travis and the other crew have been pretty adamant that seawall is not practical from a dredging point, a preservation point, or accessibility by car. It's just not realistic, even though it would be the most impressive spot.
I'm pretty sure they meant Sea Wolf .
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be better if the torpedo blister was empty? It seems if it had any kind of fluid, the pressure of the blast could be transferred to the hull, but if it were empty, it would not do so, since air compresses better than water.Quote:
Absorbs the blast from the torpedo without damaging the integrity of the hull. Usually contained bunker oil or sea water.
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Essentially, the bulge is a compartmentalized, below the waterline sponson isolated from the ship's internal volume. It is part air-filled, and part free-flooding. In theory, a torpedo strike will rupture and flood the bulge's outer air-filled component while the inner water-filled part dissipates the shock and absorbs explosive fragments, leaving the ship's main hull structurally intact. Transverse bulkheads within the bulge limit flooding to the damaged area of the structure.
BQ_90 said:are any of the battleships on display a national monument outside of the USS Arizona? I bet not, most are owned by the State I would assume.fka ftc said:Regarding going inside, I think most all the lower decks have been closed for 30 years or more. I remember back in the 1980's you used to be able to climb down essentially to the water INSIDE the ship - think it was resting in the muck during those days and no longer "floating".DrEvazanPhD said:there will be plenty of time after the construction is done. Right now the outside is almost as fascinating. You get to see what was messed up, what they've fixed, what they will and won't fix, etc. There's still some teak wood from the original hull laid down in 1912 that's visible.74OA said:Was that because the ship was unsafe before the renovation? I'd think being allowed to actually go on board would be a major motivator for more people to visit.DrEvazanPhD said:tree91 said:
For those who have taken the tour, do you get to go on the ship, or is it just a walk around the hull? Is it worth a special trip to Galveston to do it?
They take you around the hull, but not on the ship proper. It was 100% worth it
One would imagine those lower decks have to be in extremely poor shape. Many "normal" size Texans these days, including myself, would have a hard time navigating those small areas if they are restored.
Nevertheless, would be awesome to have as much access a they can afford to restore. That ship is a unique treasure to the US and should be designated as a National Monument and appropriately funded (I assume it is not a national monument, happy if I am mistaken).
LMCane said:BQ_90 said:are any of the battleships on display a national monument outside of the USS Arizona? I bet not, most are owned by the State I would assume.fka ftc said:Regarding going inside, I think most all the lower decks have been closed for 30 years or more. I remember back in the 1980's you used to be able to climb down essentially to the water INSIDE the ship - think it was resting in the muck during those days and no longer "floating".DrEvazanPhD said:there will be plenty of time after the construction is done. Right now the outside is almost as fascinating. You get to see what was messed up, what they've fixed, what they will and won't fix, etc. There's still some teak wood from the original hull laid down in 1912 that's visible.74OA said:Was that because the ship was unsafe before the renovation? I'd think being allowed to actually go on board would be a major motivator for more people to visit.DrEvazanPhD said:tree91 said:
For those who have taken the tour, do you get to go on the ship, or is it just a walk around the hull? Is it worth a special trip to Galveston to do it?
They take you around the hull, but not on the ship proper. It was 100% worth it
One would imagine those lower decks have to be in extremely poor shape. Many "normal" size Texans these days, including myself, would have a hard time navigating those small areas if they are restored.
Nevertheless, would be awesome to have as much access a they can afford to restore. That ship is a unique treasure to the US and should be designated as a National Monument and appropriately funded (I assume it is not a national monument, happy if I am mistaken).
Pretty sure when I was on the North Carolina you could walk around inside a bit. at least around the superstructure bridge.
the aircraft carrier at Patriots Point you definitely walk around in the hangars and crew areas.
dcbowers said:LMCane said:BQ_90 said:are any of the battleships on display a national monument outside of the USS Arizona? I bet not, most are owned by the State I would assume.fka ftc said:Regarding going inside, I think most all the lower decks have been closed for 30 years or more. I remember back in the 1980's you used to be able to climb down essentially to the water INSIDE the ship - think it was resting in the muck during those days and no longer "floating".DrEvazanPhD said:there will be plenty of time after the construction is done. Right now the outside is almost as fascinating. You get to see what was messed up, what they've fixed, what they will and won't fix, etc. There's still some teak wood from the original hull laid down in 1912 that's visible.74OA said:Was that because the ship was unsafe before the renovation? I'd think being allowed to actually go on board would be a major motivator for more people to visit.DrEvazanPhD said:tree91 said:
For those who have taken the tour, do you get to go on the ship, or is it just a walk around the hull? Is it worth a special trip to Galveston to do it?
They take you around the hull, but not on the ship proper. It was 100% worth it
One would imagine those lower decks have to be in extremely poor shape. Many "normal" size Texans these days, including myself, would have a hard time navigating those small areas if they are restored.
Nevertheless, would be awesome to have as much access a they can afford to restore. That ship is a unique treasure to the US and should be designated as a National Monument and appropriately funded (I assume it is not a national monument, happy if I am mistaken).
Pretty sure when I was on the North Carolina you could walk around inside a bit. at least around the superstructure bridge.
the aircraft carrier at Patriots Point you definitely walk around in the hangars and crew areas.
The USS Alabama is on display in Mobile Bay, just off of I-10. I have yet to stop, because I've been in a hurry to get to Florida. Some day.
