I never thought I would say this, but I am now considering Dunkirk my most anticipated movie for this year. I know that I will love The Last Jedi but this trailer is intense and looks to be historically accurate.JABQ04 said:
Super stoked for this. Possibly even more for the new Star Wars movie in December
Seem to be a lot (relatively speaking) of Spitfires remaining in flying condition. The Spitfire remains one of the most beautiful, if I can use that word, aircraft ever built.ja86 said:
yes please... may i have more spitfires....
The Beaufighter shows up when they guys have apparently set out into the Channel and they see a twin engine plane coming in low over them, the captain says "It's one of ours" right as it zooms overhead. That is not a Heinkel. There is a Heinkel shown at another point in the trailer unloading bombs on a ship below.74OA said:
Beaufighter was my initial reaction but, after reading this, I suspect it's perhaps the He111 scale replica they used even though it's not "one of ours".
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Those shots of of real live Spitfire Vics aroused me.ja86 said:
yes please... may i have more spitfires....
One of the two most beautiful planes ever produced. The other one is the Lockheed Constellation.Rabid Cougar said:Those shots of of real live Spitfire Vics aroused me.ja86 said:
yes please... may i have more spitfires....
Agree. The other beautiful fighter being the F-87 ...Quote:
One of the two most beautiful planes ever produced.
To which the Dash 80 sez, "But can it do a barrel roll?"Quote:
The other one is the Lockheed Constellation.
Typo...BrazosBendHorn said:Agree. The other beautiful fighter being the F-87 ...Quote:
One of the two most beautiful planes ever produced.
Yep. I've had trouble with that for decades. I can remember the number for every other "P" or "F" aircraft, but for some reason I always (and erroneously) think of "87" for the Sabre. Shame on me ...Quote:
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F-86 Sabre
This Heinkel was based in Falcon Field, Mesa, AZ and was owned by the Commemorative Air Force Museum At Falcon Field. I got to visit the National Weather Service office in nearby Tempe many times from the late 90's until I retired in 2010. My visits were at least 10 days, so I always had a weekend off to visit the CAF Museum.Quote:
I know there was a Spanish-built Heinkel for many years; she was used in movies like Patton and Battle of Britain, but I think she might have been destroyed not too many years ago in a crash.
There has been a lot of talk lately in the warbird community bout the risks of flying the extremely rare planes like the Heinkel . As much as I love to see them airborne it is truly sad when crashes reduces the number to 1 or 2 flying. Thanks the gods that we have a lot of flying Spits and Mustangs as they are the absolute super stars of WW2 aircraft but having no more serviceable ( or so I have heard) great planes like the HE-111 is tragic.NormanAg said:This Heinkel was based in Falcon Field, Mesa, AZ and was owned by the Commemorative Air Force Museum At Falcon Field. I got to visit the National Weather Service office in nearby Tempe many times form the late 90's until I retired in 2010. My visits were at least 10 days, so I always had a weekend off to visit the CAF Museum.Quote:
I know there was a Spanish-built Heinkel for many years; she was used in movies like Patton and Battle of Britain, but I think she might have been destroyed not too many years ago in a crash.
I even got a couple of my buddies hooked on the museum as well. I always found it interesting that the staff would let you crawl around inside their aircraft, unescorted. My buddies and I crawled around in the Heinkel on a couple of our visits there and also in their B-17, Sentimental Journey.
Sadly, on my last visit to the museum in March 2010, I learned that the Heinkel had been destroyed on takeoff from Cheyenne, WY on its way to an airshow. Both pilots were killed. It's a great museum and well worth a look see if you find yourself in the Phoenix area.
I agree with what you said but do you save common, everyday items with little to no value now?Cinco Ranch Aggie said:
I agree too.
Every time I see one of those photos of the trash heaps with identifiable warbirds in the mess - P-38s, B-24s, Jap planes, etc, I have to wonder why we could not be a bit more forward-thinking with preserving a bit more of our history.
Agree, particularly as it applies to flyable historic war birds. But I have to say I am impressed how many restored, and I suppose potentially flyable, rare war birds are in museums all around the world. The Smithsonian Air and Space Museum, particularly its spectacular Udvar-Hazy annex, and the National Museum of the Air Force are excellent examples of forward-thinking preservation. Terrific! Here, too!Cinco Ranch Aggie said:
I agree too.
Every time I see one of those photos of the trash heaps with identifiable warbirds in the mess - P-38s, B-24s, Jap planes, etc, I have to wonder why we could not be a bit more forward-thinking with preserving a bit more of our history.
Depends on if I have attached some sentimental value to such things. But probably, mostly no, I don't.Rabid Cougar said:I agree with what you said but do you save common, everyday items with little to no value now?Cinco Ranch Aggie said:
I agree too.
Every time I see one of those photos of the trash heaps with identifiable warbirds in the mess - P-38s, B-24s, Jap planes, etc, I have to wonder why we could not be a bit more forward-thinking with preserving a bit more of our history.
As am I. I've not yet made it to Udvar-Hazy (did not exist when I was last in DC), or the Museum of the Air Force. Also recommend the National Museum of Naval Aviation in Pensacola, Florida - http://www.navalaviationmuseum.org/74OA said:Agree, particularly as it applies to flyable historic war birds. But I have to say I am impressed how many restored, and I suppose potentially flyable, rare war birds are in museums all around the world. The Smithsonian Air and Space Museum, particularly its spectacular Udvar-Hazy annex, and the National Museum of the Air Force are excellent examples of forward-thinking preservation. Terrific! Here, too!Cinco Ranch Aggie said:
I agree too.
Every time I see one of those photos of the trash heaps with identifiable warbirds in the mess - P-38s, B-24s, Jap planes, etc, I have to wonder why we could not be a bit more forward-thinking with preserving a bit more of our history.
My Grandfather told me of the USN pushing crated aircraft (P-51s) off the decks into the Indian Ocean immediately after the wards end. Said the Brits burned scores of Spitfires at their airfields around Calcutta.Cinco Ranch Aggie said:Depends on if I have attached some sentimental value to such things. But probably, mostly no, I don't.Rabid Cougar said:I agree with what you said but do you save common, everyday items with little to no value now?Cinco Ranch Aggie said:
I agree too.
Every time I see one of those photos of the trash heaps with identifiable warbirds in the mess - P-38s, B-24s, Jap planes, etc, I have to wonder why we could not be a bit more forward-thinking with preserving a bit more of our history.
Regarding warbirds, I understand that aircraft like the P-40, Spitfire, Hurricane, P-47 etc had little to no military value given the advent of the jet aircraft that began right as the war ended. Still, warbirds like the P-51 and Corsair saw continued action through Vietnam, and even the Douglas A-26 saw service through Vietnam as the B-26. There was a value to these aircraft, even those with no military service left, in terms of preserving our history, and while I understand why the Allies did destroy Jap and Nazi aircraft, I would also say that examples of those should have been preserved as well.
But I am grateful for every one of these warbirds that we do have left, flying or not. I have been to the Smithsonian in the years prior to the opening of the annex at Dulles Airport, and that was a spectacular place. I told my wife that I want to return to DC to see the annex, and that no, seeing it through one of the Transformers movies does not count.
I would also highly recommend the National Museum of Naval Aviation in Pensacola, Florida http://www.navalaviationmuseum.org/. I have been there 4 times and will say that it is every bit as awesome as the Smithsonian. One of these days I will make the trip to Dayton, Ohio to see the Air Force Museum.
Saw it last Saturday and was ok, but not a great film in my opinion. Totally agree with you about the father and son who manned the little boat. And they were able to handle the horrors of war without intestines and body parts all over. The story of Dunkirk is an amazing story. Some of the stuff at the end was a bit unrealistic, but then that isn't uncommon in movies anymore.The Original AG 76 said:
Saw the flick yesterday and was a tad disappointed from a history POV BUT loved it from a war story POV. It is not an epic about a famous battle like Midway or Bulge. It is a great war story that happens during the evacuation. Its focused about a single experience of a group of men and one of the little ships as they face the horrors and ferocity of war. It has amazing battle scenes and some fantastic Spitfire footage. Thankfully it doesn't have the overt gore and entrails type scenes like Private Ryan but it still does a great job of showing the horrors of a battlefield.
I particularly enjoyed the story of the little ship and the father and sons who manned her. The dad was the perfect example of a British middle class gentleman with a stiff upper lip, intense patriotism, absolute courage and resolve. This man is what made Britain great and built the greatest Empire known to man ( sadly he seems to have largely disappeared in the 21st century) . The Spitfire scenes will thrill any aviation buff and the use of actual Warbirds made the movie an instant classic.
Must see movie for any war movie fan. Not a historical war docudrama just a great war movie.