LOYAL AG said:

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redag06 said:

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FSD does absolutely NOTHING for me.

I actually like the Lightning, because it looks like a real vehicle. Why do all other electric vehicles have to look so damn ugly? Just put an electric motor in what are otherwise regular looking vehicles.

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You don't have to like or want FSD to appreciate that it's changing the market. When we first got my Y Mrs LOYAL AG said "no way" but after two drives and using it to come get us in a cold wet parking lot she was sold. It's simply a fantastic technology that sets Tesla apart. Ignoring that all other vehicles are years behind I think a decade from now all new cars will have a similar system and a decade later more people will let the car drive than drive themselves. It may happen faster but it will happen. I took it to Dallas a couple of weeks ago and literally didn't intervene for well over an hour. Bryan to Ennis then again from Ennis to Coit and Campbell. At this point I drive because I want to, I let the car drive most of the time. It's extremely good.

I do agree in the look of most EV. Tesla generally looks like a normal car except Cybertruck and Rivian looks "normal" as well. Most legacy manufacturers seem to want the EV to stand out and that's just bad decision. I do feel like that's slowly going away. We'll see.

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Are you saying that you can ask the car to come get you in a parking lot?

tk for tu juan said:

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That is outstanding. Thank you.

tk for tu juan said:

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Note video speed is 1.75x, so you get to stand and watch it drive like a cautious drivers ed student

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Just using the most basic function of having it back straight out of a parking spot is pretty sweet. Much easier to get my daughter into her car seat if someone parks close

Ok I know I said I don't like attracting attention when I drive but using the summon feature in a parking lot is a fun people watching opportunity

GAC06 said:

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Ok I know I said I don't like attracting attention when I drive but using the summon feature in a parking lot is a fun people watching opportunity

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This is true. I've had people stop me in a parking lot they could record it driving itself. When it's driving it shows you the view from the front camera and when someone notices the looks it gets are funny.

cavscout96 said:

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Tim Weaver said:

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Tim Weaver said:

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https://www.edisonmotors.ca/

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Series diesel/electric drive. Just like a locomotive, but they add a small battery pack for the acceleration. Diesel can stay running at max efficiency.

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this is the way. deboss is working on their retrofit kits too which would be an intriguing option, but generally speaking this is the more optimal solution rather than straight up EVs.

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I really hope the light truck axles make it to production. Having a Dentside Ford long bed that can out-pull the latest big diesels would be pretty epic.

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500 Hp - 4x4 - 8,800 ft-lb torque

What other parts would you have to upgrade to handle that level of torque?

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none. wheels are direct drive from the electric motors

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Probably need to upgrade the roads to handle it.

austinag1997 said:

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Porsche has come to the same realization and is reprioritizing the combustion engine.

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Bear

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AggieFrog said:

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With the Scout you'd just run the engine for some time to charge the battery. If away from charging stations, you're using the engine for another 350 miles of range. Fill it up / bring extra gas if you need additional range - the engine will charge the battery when off-grid.

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Doesn't change it still is at best a 500 mile vehicle. No different than a single tank of gas, but without any ability to tow, haul, or be driven off high travel corridors. It's the same limited range as any other EV.

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Based on what Scout has made public, I expect you'll be able to fill the tank every 350 miles and be on your way like any other ICE vehicle. I've had my LX all over NM and CO and off road plenty. It barely has 200 miles of range. I think the Scout will do just fine.

What people aren't considering is the actual logistics of how you'd road trip one. There's a mode to run the generator all the time. Let's say you leave the house with a full charge and a full tank. And no trailer for this discussion. You're going to keep the battery topped up until the gas tank is empty. Roughly 350 miles we think. Then you're going to have 150 miles of range left on battery. OR . . . like most people on a road trip you're going to stop every 100-200 miles and keep refilling that tank and going to the bathroom. Indefinitely like an ICE? That's the impression I'm getting. You could drive this pretty deep into the back country and still arrive at your campsite with a lot of gas. Then have a massive battery to power your campsite, or just do some very quiet off roading

In some cases you might be consuming power faster than the generator can keep up. Like maybe going 100mph across NM, or climbing a lot of mountain passes. But those are concerns with a regular ICE. you'll have to stop more often and you may want to run the generator while you go do gas station things for. But even this is an edge case. Most likely you'll have period of more moderate driving in between, and the generator will be able to stay on top of things just fine.


Towing is still a question mark until real specs on the range extender are released. The CEO recently said they want you to be able to tow how normally would, but I'm a little skeptical. I've talked to a couple of others at Scout and I don't think the "tow whatever I want as far as I want" use case is something they're really going after. But we're still a long way from production. And the tow rating isn't that high. If we end up with a generator that can do 90-100kW you may very well be able to tow with it just like any other half ton.

Pics also don't do the Scouts justice. They look incredible in person.

That Scout is kickass. That's the first EV off-roader I've ever considered. Unfortunately, it looks to be at least 2027 before they do initial production. It's a dream until it's not.

Only $100 to get in line now

'03ag said:

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Only $100 to get in line now

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I'm probably going to do it because why not. But we will have to get a new SUV before then most likely. We are already on borrowed time with a Cadillac SUV at 80k miles.

cavscout96 said:

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Which ICE pickups have 500+ mile range? The Terra is projected to tow 10k and haul nearly 2k. Very TRUCK and an EV only range of 350

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Every F150 with the 36 gallon tank. Even my Raptor can go over 500 miles on a tank.