We'll never get a quarter ton pickup (think S10) again due to cafe standards. I'd consider an eletric one for a side gig if I'm staying in town hauling tools all day and not freezing out in Idaho.1agswitchin4lanes said:
I said it when Ford introduced the Lightning. It's for people that like the idea of an electric F150. You're not going to be successful converting an ICE buyer to electric.
That being said, I'm about to roll 45K on my Lightning. It's been great, does almost everything I need it to do. I drive 150-180 miles a day for work and it's been solid except for one computer issue.
There's only been a handful of times where I've been inconvenienced or annoyed at the range or having to charge outside of the house. But unlike most people, I have other gas vehicles I can take if I need to take a long trip.
Would I replace it with another one? I'm mixed.
I have considered the hybrid Maverick, but feel the bed is just too small.
The Ranger is a great size but is priced too close to half to territory and half ton fuel economy.
The value leader is really an STX F150 and I like the 2.7L Ecoboost for its power, fuel economy, and durability.
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How has Farley not been fired yet? He doubled down on electric a couple of years ago which has cost Ford billions now in losses
Add he killed a good sedan (fusion) and walked away from non SUV's/trucks/electric.
Add he killed a good sedan (fusion) and walked away from non SUV's/trucks/electric.
There's a chance CAFE standards (including footprint/vehicle classifications) will be substantially further changed.
Not going to get into it further because it's really a politics-related question, but I favor at least a radical change to the standards as this has, yes per your post, inefficiently limited vehicle options on the market.
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Not going to get into it further because it's really a politics-related question, but I favor at least a radical change to the standards as this has, yes per your post, inefficiently limited vehicle options on the market.
1agswitchin4lanes said:I agree 100% with that, fuel stop with bathroom break, 10 min max.Quote:
Y'all never drive more than 150 miles at a stretch before refilling the big Yeti and draining the little yeti. Especially if you've got the dog and the kids with you.
EV recharge stop with DCFC is 40 min.
I took the lightning to NOLA last year for a work trip. Wasnt bad because I had meetings and calls along the way, but a straight shot would be miserable.
We try to daisy chain our vacation trip stops to Sam's Club and Costco....I drop the rib and kids off at front, drive to gas line, she gets kids to bathroom and then orders lunch, I fill up Maxpedition and park, go in, hit restroom, eat and back on the road. Clean bathrooms, cheap lunch, and fuel.... We can have this down to 35-40 min these days.....
I'm a bit confused here. Your typical stop takes 40 minutes because there's a lot to stopping with a family. I get it. Then you noted that 40 minutes to charge an EV is too long. When I stop to charge I plug in and go inside the store to do all those things you mentioned. No need to pump my gas or stay with the car when it's charging. It charges while I'm in the store and the app notifies me when it's almost finished so I can head to the register and back to the car.
Now as I said I'm not traveling with kids anymore and just not in a hurry so for me it works. Just wanted to point out that your 40 minute stop when you fill the tank and your wife has to do everything else could be the same 40 minutes with the car charging and you helping her inside the store with everything else just my $.02. Ultimately their best use case is still daily driver versus road trip.
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Let me clarify...LOYAL AG said:1agswitchin4lanes said:I agree 100% with that, fuel stop with bathroom break, 10 min max.Quote:
Y'all never drive more than 150 miles at a stretch before refilling the big Yeti and draining the little yeti. Especially if you've got the dog and the kids with you.
EV recharge stop with DCFC is 40 min.
I took the lightning to NOLA last year for a work trip. Wasnt bad because I had meetings and calls along the way, but a straight shot would be miserable.
We try to daisy chain our vacation trip stops to Sam's Club and Costco....I drop the rib and kids off at front, drive to gas line, she gets kids to bathroom and then orders lunch, I fill up Maxpedition and park, go in, hit restroom, eat and back on the road. Clean bathrooms, cheap lunch, and fuel.... We can have this down to 35-40 min these days.....
I'm a bit confused here. Your typical stop takes 40 minutes because there's a lot to stopping with a family. I get it. Then you noted that 40 minutes to charge an EV is too long. When I stop to charge I plug in and go inside the store to do all those things you mentioned. No need to pump my gas or stay with the car when it's charging. It charges while I'm in the store and the app notifies me when it's almost finished so I can head to the register and back to the car.
Now as I said I'm not traveling with kids anymore and just not in a hurry so for me it works. Just wanted to point out that your 40 minute stop when you fill the tank and your wife has to do everything else could be the same 40 minutes with the car charging and you helping her inside the store with everything else just my $.02. Ultimately their best use case is still daily driver versus road trip.
When I am traveling for work alone, my stops are 10 min max on a ICE vehicle. Gas, bathroom, coffee, go. I usually stop for fuel once, and once at a rest stop for bathroom.
Driving EV long distance, I'm usually 180-200 miles before I need to stop, 40 min to DCFC and then get back on the road, not to mention having to make sure (via Plugshare or another app) that my destination actually has a working charger when I arrive, or I need to charge sooner to allow myself to get there, handle my business, and then find another charger on the way back. 40 min is not too long, but having to charge 4 times from NOLA to Houston at 40 min each adds more to the day vs one fuel/lunch stop and one bathroom stop at the TX/LA border.
When I'm with the family, its one 40 min if we stop to eat, and my kids are all old enough that we can make it through a tank of fuel before they need to stop for a bathroom break, so fuel/bathroom stops where we DONT eat are 10 min in and out, and we purposely avoid Buccees to prevent kids from wandering....
Understatement of the year....1agswitchin4lanes said:
There's only been a handful of times where I've been inconvenienced or annoyed at the range or having to charge outside of the house. But unlike most people, I have other gas vehicles I can take if I need to take a long trip.
I used to feel that way but I absolutely love FSD now. It's incredible.
AggieFrog said:
With the Scout you'd just run the engine for some time to charge the battery. If away from charging stations, you're using the engine for another 350 miles of range. Fill it up / bring extra gas if you need additional range - the engine will charge the battery when off-grid.
Doesn't change it still is at best a 500 mile vehicle. No different than a single tank of gas, but without any ability to tow, haul, or be driven off high travel corridors. It's the same limited range as any other EV.
I didn't know that's how it worked but if you get 150 miles a day on battery power (per the poster above who ordered the Scout Traveler) but then have 350 miles of added ICE range for road-trips I'd say that's pretty fantastic.
https://www.edisonmotors.ca/
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Series diesel/electric drive. Just like a locomotive, but they add a small battery pack for the acceleration. Diesel can stay running at max efficiency.
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Series diesel/electric drive. Just like a locomotive, but they add a small battery pack for the acceleration. Diesel can stay running at max efficiency.
Ford needs to bring back the Excursion with a High Output 6.7 Powerstroke
FSD is incredible if you have HW4 and Version 13+. I had a 2021 model Y with FSD and it was close to unusable but the improvement in 4 years is game changing. I prob drive 90% on FSD allowing me to eat hands free.bam02 said:
I used to feel that way but I absolutely love FSD now. It's incredible.
My 16yo daughter had a Chevy bolt b/c 200mi range is all she needs in town and I got a great deal on it.
I have a 2023 Model Y which I drive CC, Dallas, BCS, SA, Houston without spending any more discernable time at the gas station. Best and most convenient car I have ever owned.
Selling my wife's Honda minivan for a new model X next week with FSD. 8k for FSD but well worth it.
I never though our house would be Iceless but once you get used to EVs, the occasional long distance driving with the added time is well worth the time I save on a daily basis.
this is the way. deboss is working on their retrofit kits too which would be an intriguing option, but generally speaking this is the more optimal solution rather than straight up EVs.Tim Weaver said:
https://www.edisonmotors.ca/
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Series diesel/electric drive. Just like a locomotive, but they add a small battery pack for the acceleration. Diesel can stay running at max efficiency.
Towing I'll give you as it will limit range (Traveler is 7,000 lb max towing), but you're losing me on not being able to drive off high travel corridors. It's the same limitation as any gas vehicle. Fill it up and/or carry extra gas with you, same as you would with any other ICE vehicle.AgLA06 said:AggieFrog said:
With the Scout you'd just run the engine for some time to charge the battery. If away from charging stations, you're using the engine for another 350 miles of range. Fill it up / bring extra gas if you need additional range - the engine will charge the battery when off-grid.
Doesn't change it still is at best a 500 mile vehicle. No different than a single tank of gas, but without any ability to tow, haul, or be driven off high travel corridors. It's the same limited range as any other EV.
I really hope the light truck axles make it to production. Having a Dentside Ford long bed that can out-pull the latest big diesels would be pretty epic.sts7049 said:this is the way. deboss is working on their retrofit kits too which would be an intriguing option, but generally speaking this is the more optimal solution rather than straight up EVs.Tim Weaver said:
https://www.edisonmotors.ca/
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Series diesel/electric drive. Just like a locomotive, but they add a small battery pack for the acceleration. Diesel can stay running at max efficiency.
I want to find a way to make this combo roll coal….
Having used diesel generators for years, all you gotta do is hit them with a big load, real fast. Until the genny recovers she's rolling coal like crazy.1agswitchin4lanes said:
I want to find a way to make this combo roll coal….
Back in the day of incandescent lighting on festival stages we could flash all 120k watts of lighting and basically make smoke signals.
nortex97 said:
The low sales volumes are why they had to pause production for a full month this year (2025) at "Factory Zero" and sell off the ultium battery JV to the Koreans. I've read that they internally cancelled plans for the Suburban EV but I can't find that right now. It seems like it would be another $95K+ asp niche vehicle, imho. Escalade IQ may be a real product shortly, but dealers can't even submit orders until March 27th, and they aren't building any really until May 5th.
Except here is one at my buddies house…
Ah, I didn't realize there was a 2025 model year of those. I haven't seen one, but they sold only around 670 in the quarter they were available it looks like, so unsurprising. Pretty much a niche vehicle, I guess.
nortex97 said:
Ah, I didn't realize there was a 2025 model year of those. I haven't seen one, but they sold only around 670 in the quarter they were available it looks like, so unsurprising. Pretty much a niche vehicle, I guess.
It's definitely a niche model for price and value proposition. My buddy is all in on Electric. He has 7 or 8 EVs currently.
What's the difference between hybrid and EERV?
Regardless, it sounds like the industry is settling back to where it should have always gone in the first place post solely ICE world if politics wasn't involved - hybrid platforms.
Regardless, it sounds like the industry is settling back to where it should have always gone in the first place post solely ICE world if politics wasn't involved - hybrid platforms.
500 Hp - 4x4 - 8,800 ft-lb torqueTim Weaver said:I really hope the light truck axles make it to production. Having a Dentside Ford long bed that can out-pull the latest big diesels would be pretty epic.sts7049 said:this is the way. deboss is working on their retrofit kits too which would be an intriguing option, but generally speaking this is the more optimal solution rather than straight up EVs.Tim Weaver said:
https://www.edisonmotors.ca/
/thread
Series diesel/electric drive. Just like a locomotive, but they add a small battery pack for the acceleration. Diesel can stay running at max efficiency.
What other parts would you have to upgrade to handle that level of torque?
YouBet said:
What's the difference between hybrid and EERV?
Regardless, it sounds like the industry is settling back to where it should have always gone in the first place post solely ICE world if politics wasn't involved - hybrid platforms.
I think the concept is there is no connection between the internal combustion and the drivetrain. It's sole purpose is to charge the battery pack.
Yes, just like a modern locomotive. I think it's a great concept.
1agswitchin4lanes said:YouBet said:
What's the difference between hybrid and EERV?
Regardless, it sounds like the industry is settling back to where it should have always gone in the first place post solely ICE world if politics wasn't involved - hybrid platforms.
I think the concept is there is no connection between the internal combustion and the drivetrain. Its sole purpose is to charge the battery pack.
Thanks.
Which ICE pickups have 500+ mile range? The Terra is projected to tow 10k and haul nearly 2k. Very TRUCK and an EV only range of 350AgLA06 said:Looks almost identical to a Rivian Truck. Just different shaped headlights.chickencoupe16 said:redag06 said:
I actually like the Lightning, because it looks like a real vehicle. Why do all other electric vehicles have to look so damn ugly? Just put an electric motor in what are otherwise regular looking vehicles.
I came across the Scout truck which is supposed to be ready in '28. I think it's the best looking electric vehicle and definitely electric truck I've seen (except maybe the Lightning because it's just an F150).
The problem is unless you just want to drive something that looks like a truck with no expectation to get any truck use (towing, hauling) than great. And hunting / offroading in the mountain west is a no go. But even the extended range models only get the equivalent of a single tank of gas with both electric and hybrid combined. Just with only a fraction of the support network.
Unless something has changed, they're still skewing the data on charging stations to gas stations. It used to be no matter how many pumps at a gas station, that was 1 gas station. However, every charger at an EV charging station was counted differently. Real numbers of unique locations were supposedly 5% of the locations as gas stations. And most only in high populations areas (northeast, california, and large cities like Houston and Dallas). A third of the counties in the nation still don't even have a single EV charger.
So EV's are still only practical for local driving and isolated high population corridors.
Add in the EREV and you're looking at 500mi+ (projected) , the ability to fill gas at any service station and run, essentially, indefinitely off road/towing/road tripping.
*edited for spelling and typos
Yes! and they've partnered with another Canadian outfit to retrofit similar tech into pickups:Tim Weaver said:
https://www.edisonmotors.ca/
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Series diesel/electric drive. Just like a locomotive, but they add a small battery pack for the acceleration. Diesel can stay running at max efficiency.
Diesel-Electric Retrofit Kit for Pickups - Everything You Want To Know
They started R&D and testing last year. They have prototype e-axles for testing, generator prototype in production and 2.8 Cummins to drive the generator.
Watching as this is a potential series diesel/electric solution that would give massive torque for towing (like a locomotive or tractor/trailer) and essentially the same range as any other ICE pickup while retaining the ability to use GN or 5th Wheel.
If it's something in the 20-30k or under range, it makes a ton of sense to me.
none. wheels are direct drive from the electric motorsP.H. Dexippus said:500 Hp - 4x4 - 8,800 ft-lb torqueTim Weaver said:I really hope the light truck axles make it to production. Having a Dentside Ford long bed that can out-pull the latest big diesels would be pretty epic.sts7049 said:this is the way. deboss is working on their retrofit kits too which would be an intriguing option, but generally speaking this is the more optimal solution rather than straight up EVs.Tim Weaver said:
https://www.edisonmotors.ca/
/thread
Series diesel/electric drive. Just like a locomotive, but they add a small battery pack for the acceleration. Diesel can stay running at max efficiency.
What other parts would you have to upgrade to handle that level of torque?
cavscout96 said:Which ICE pickups have 500+ mile range? The Terra is projected to tow 10k and haul nearly 2k. Very TRUCK and an EV only range of 350AgLA06 said:Looks almost identical to a Rivian Truck. Just different shaped headlights.chickencoupe16 said:redag06 said:
I actually like the Lightning, because it looks like a real vehicle. Why do all other electric vehicles have to look so damn ugly? Just put an electric motor in what are otherwise regular looking vehicles.
I came across the Scout truck which is supposed to be ready in '28. I think it's the best looking electric vehicle and definitely electric truck I've seen (except maybe the Lightning because it's just an F150).
The problem is unless you just want to drive something that looks like a truck with no expectation to get any truck use (towing, hauling) than great. And hunting / offroading in the mountain west is a no go. But even the extended range models only get the equivalent of a single tank of gas with both electric and hybrid combined. Just with only a fraction of the support network.
Unless something has changed, they're still skewing the data on charging stations to gas stations. It used to be no matter how many pumps at a gas station, that was 1 gas station. However, every charger at an EV charging station was counted differently. Real numbers of unique locations were supposedly 5% of the locations as gas stations. And most only in high populations areas (northeast, california, and large cities like Houston and Dallas). A third of the counties in the nation still don't even have a single EV charger.
So EV's are still only practical for local driving and isolated high population corridors.
Add in the EREV and you're looking at 500mi+ (projected) , the ability to fill gas at any service station and run, essentially, indefinitely off road/towing/road tripping.
*edited for spelling and typos
Most trucks with bigger fuel tanks or good fuel highway ranges have bladder challenging ranges….
My long bed 2019 super duty.
Like it hasn't been done before....bam02 said:
Yes, just like a modern locomotive. I think it's a great concept.
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Strong bladders are wasted on the young1agswitchin4lanes said:cavscout96 said:Which ICE pickups have 500+ mile range? The Terra is projected to tow 10k and haul nearly 2k. Very TRUCK and an EV only range of 350AgLA06 said:Looks almost identical to a Rivian Truck. Just different shaped headlights.chickencoupe16 said:redag06 said:
I actually like the Lightning, because it looks like a real vehicle. Why do all other electric vehicles have to look so damn ugly? Just put an electric motor in what are otherwise regular looking vehicles.
I came across the Scout truck which is supposed to be ready in '28. I think it's the best looking electric vehicle and definitely electric truck I've seen (except maybe the Lightning because it's just an F150).
The problem is unless you just want to drive something that looks like a truck with no expectation to get any truck use (towing, hauling) than great. And hunting / offroading in the mountain west is a no go. But even the extended range models only get the equivalent of a single tank of gas with both electric and hybrid combined. Just with only a fraction of the support network.
Unless something has changed, they're still skewing the data on charging stations to gas stations. It used to be no matter how many pumps at a gas station, that was 1 gas station. However, every charger at an EV charging station was counted differently. Real numbers of unique locations were supposedly 5% of the locations as gas stations. And most only in high populations areas (northeast, california, and large cities like Houston and Dallas). A third of the counties in the nation still don't even have a single EV charger.
So EV's are still only practical for local driving and isolated high population corridors.
Add in the EREV and you're looking at 500mi+ (projected) , the ability to fill gas at any service station and run, essentially, indefinitely off road/towing/road tripping.
*edited for spelling and typos
Most trucks with bigger fuel tanks or good fuel highway ranges have bladder challenging ranges….
My long bed 2019 super duty.
drumboy said:Like it hasn't been done before....bam02 said:
Yes, just like a modern locomotive. I think it's a great concept.
Reminds me of this guy
I thought a Tesla wouldn't go into drive if it's charging. Maybe he bypassed that somehow and I missed it.
bam02 said:
I thought a Tesla wouldn't go into drive if it's charging. Maybe he bypassed that somehow and I missed it.
You're correct but still funny.
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bam02 said:
I thought a Tesla wouldn't go into drive if it's charging. Maybe he bypassed that somehow and I missed it.
I think he bypassed it.