I-45 Street Racing Epidemic

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HollywoodBQ
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I was curious if anybody had discussed this on the Automotive Board but all I could find was Complete Idiot's story about the demise of the buyer of his Z06 Corvette.
https://texags.com/forums/46/topics/3389334

I'll start by saying, I speed all the time and I've driven 120+ mph several times on Interstate Highways with my top speed being 132 mph back in 2006 while driving my 2002 BMW M3 on "The 15" approaching Primm, Nevada on the way from LA to Vegas. The car had more to offer, I just ran out of road. When you make a high speed run like that, in no time, you're on those cars that were miles ahead of you when you started.

Whenever I've driven ridiculously fast, it has always been in a situation where I had nothing but open road in front of me, or very light traffic and 3-4 lanes in the same direction on "The 5" in California, or late night across "The Twin Bridges" in Waco.

In my younger days when the Speed Limit was still 55, I used to notice that people would want to speed on I-45 once they got South of Dickinson (where the Bucee's is now) and reached those wider lanes that were designed for 70 mph traffic.

As the years have gone by, I've noticed some street racing on I-45 South between the Dog Track in LaMarque and the Galveston Causeway. Most recently, in November 2022, I was driving down to The Island and I got passed on both sides simultaneously by two Corvettes (different generations but C5-C7) who had to be doing 150 mph. My estimate is based on the fact that I was doing 90 mph in a rented VW Atlas and they passed me so fast I didn't even realize I was in danger until it was already over.

I've seen a lot of street racing at night on the freeways in LA when nobody else is on the road.
Recently when I moved from California to Texas, I drove through Phoenix, AZ on a Saturday night and there was some serious street racing going on in Phoenix. Best of all, cops were chasing them too. I'd never seen a Law Enforcement Ford Explorer do 110mph before.

This weekend, I had cause to drive I-45 between Galveston and Houston Bush Intercontinental Airport a couple of times.

Yesterday, I was driving northbound in what I thought was fairly heavy traffic, through the construction zone near Bucee's. Construction speed limit was posted at 55 mph so I was doing a reasonable 75 mph in the 2nd lane from the left. I got passed by a guy in a throaty Dodge Challenger who had to be going at least 125 mph. Just like the Corvettes, by the time I felt the rumble of the exhaust and realized there was a threat, the guy was 200+ feet ahead of me.

That concerned me but I figured it was just an isolated incident. I did think the guy was an idiot for driving that fast in reasonably heavy traffic.

Today..., I can't count the number of cars that passed me going significantly faster while I was doing 77-80 mph on the way from Intercontinental back to The Island.

Historically, in Houston, the proper driving form is to do 80 mph 2 lanes from the left and leave the left lane open for the 100 mph drivers. There are two problems with that.

A bunch of these guys aren't limiting it to 100 mph and several of them are doing 100+ mph in the right lanes while weaving through traffic.

While Dodge Chargers and Challengers are common offenders, the most frequent offenders are people driving Hyundai and Kia cars.

I did have one random guy in an older Toyota 4Runner come up from behind me on the right, switch two lanes to the left to pass me and then practically took off my front bumper as he then switched across 4 lanes to barely make the exit at El Dorado. Body roll on a 4Runner at 100 mph is kind of scary to watch when it's only 3 feet off your front bumper at 80 mph.

Am I just new here and this is to be expected? Or do I need to go full James Bond 007 and equip machine guns and an oil slick?

The Diesel Bros doing 90 mph in their jacked up, low profile tires with spacers are funny to watch but they're not the ones who are weaving through traffic at 100+ mph.

Now I'm not saying I want to turn I-45 into Nolanville, Texas where they pull you over for 56 in a 55 but can we at least get law enforcement to go after the drivers doing 40+ mph over the posted limit?

Didn't see anybody doing this with paper plates though so I guess that's a win.
Jetpilot86
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Been seeing it on I-70 in the mountains of CO more lately, especially the econoboxes and in less than ideal conditions like down 5 grades and on wet roads, weaving in and out of course. I passed a state patrol at 20 over in an easy section and they never even moved.

I guess no one is prosecuting.
LOYAL AG
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Texas has become a very fast driving state. I was in Pagosa Springs, CO a few years ago and a shop owner said they always know when it's spring break in Texas because of how fast everyone drives. Coming back from that trip me and about five other Texans maintained 93-95 on I-40 from whatever that crossroads is south of there all the way into Amarillo.

IMO Houston is the fastest city in America with 1B being Dallas. I-45 is a often racetrack between the two. When I say fastest I don't mean people drive fast in those cities, I mean everyone drives fast in those cities. I live in CS and my brother lives in Cypress so I make that trip a decent amount and I know on 290 from about Waller on it doesn't matter how fast I drive someone is going faster. 75? Yep. 100? Yep. Posted is 65, by the way.

I probably drive about like the OP meaning I'm on the high end of the range for traffic but in Houston I'm never the fastest on the road. What's worse is I routinely see police watching us go 90+ which effectively means the speed limit is 90+. It's like anything less than 95 (reckless driving limit, right?) isn't worth their time. In Dallas I've seen families in suburbans doing over 100 in their Sunday best. I remember joking that their God didn't teach patience.

The speed really doesn't bother me but the in and out of traffic does. I know that's a lot harder to catch than just straight speeding but it's also more dangerous. I think it boils down to the fact their every police agency around is short staffed and traffic patrol has been reduced.
The federal government was never meant to be this powerful.
EMY92
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In the metro areas, the PD's have been cut, they don't have enough cops to respond to serious crimes in progress, so traffic enforcement is ignored.

That's not true everywhere, in the small town I live it, they still enforce the traffic laws, but are more lenient on speeding now than in the past. I think you need to be doing 70 in a 60 to get their attention now.
robertcope
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I don't really mind the higher speed drivers, but the weavers are not good. I took a drive Sunday morning in my M3 and event at 85-90mph, I was not really passing a lot of traffic on the various highways, certainly not at high rates of closure. I question whether most drivers are really prepared to handle an emergency at those speeds and whether their cars are really prepped for those speeds, but I also don't see death and destruction every mile, either, so I guess it must generally work out. I just wish people would follow the "pass on the left" rule, would make things much safer imho.
Obi Wan Ginobili
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Wait….so this entire post was about bragging about all your various attempts to go fast and now you're complaining about people doing it?

Nice.

In every one of your stories posted above, some dude 12 years older than you said the exact same thing you're saying now. "I sped in my day but this is ridiculous!"
rao11010
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I can't believe nobody got stuck behind a driver going 70 in the left lane refusing to get over!
StillNotAnAggie
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I live by 99 and Hardy, and the racing on 99 at night is constant. I can hear the cars every night and I don't live close. I've thought about just driving out there to see what kind of cars they are bringing because whatever it is, they are loud.
Dr. Nefario
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“You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.” -Abraham Lincoln

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JB
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I have zero interest in going 80+ in any sort of traffic.
agracer
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HollywoodBQ said:



Historically, in Houston, the proper driving form is to do 80 mph 2 lanes from the left and leave the left lane open for the 100 mph drivers. There are two problems with that.

Huh? You ever been to Houston?
Trinity Ag
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There is no doubt that there are more drivers in Houston weaving through traffic at extremely high speed.

It is nuts.
agracer
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Trinity Ag said:

There is no doubt that there are more drivers in Houston weaving through traffic at extremely high speed.

It is nuts.
I think the %% are the same, there's just more drivers.

It was like that in the 80's when I learned to drive. I can't count the number or accident's I've avoided in my life b/c my senses were tuned in Houston in the early 80's drivers ed. and with my dad an my learners permit.
Trinity Ag
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agracer said:

Trinity Ag said:

There is no doubt that there are more drivers in Houston weaving through traffic at extremely high speed.

It is nuts.
I think the %% are the same, there's just more drivers.

It was like that in the 80's when I learned to drive. I can't count the number or accident's I've avoided in my life b/c my senses were tuned in Houston in the early 80's drivers ed. and with my dad an my learners permit.
More as in "more than other cities where I drive" -- not necessarily more than there used to be.

I lived in the DC beltway for ~6 years and it was nothing compared to Houston. Same with Colorado Springs, Denver. The traffic and crap road networks in Austin make it too difficult to speed to the same degree.

Houston stands out to me as the city with the most reckless driving.
rilloaggie
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I have lived and worked in Houston for about 10 years now. Grew up In Amarillo so houston has always felt fast. I've started making a monthly work trip to California which takes me from Sacramento to the Bay Area. Cali drivers are just as fast on average as Houston but there are significantly more of the ones that zip around and go over 100. People there make me appreciate the traffic on I-10 lol.
txags92
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Quote:

Historically, in Houston, the proper driving form is to do 80 mph 2 lanes from the left and leave the left lane open for the 100 mph drivers. There are two problems with that.

Tell me you haven't driven in Houston in the last 10 years without telling me...

The left lane in Houston is now for the people who want to read their phone or curl their eyelashes while driving 2-3 mph over the speed limit. If you want to do 75+, the only available lane for that is the right lane, because nobody drives there anymore except the occasional lawn care truck pulling a trailer at 10 under the speed limit.
txags92
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Trinity Ag said:

There is no doubt that there are more drivers in Houston weaving through traffic at extremely high speed.

It is nuts.
They do that because the right two lanes are the only ones with any room to pass, because the "passing lane" is stacked full of people who aren't passing anybody.
txags92
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LOYAL AG said:

Texas has become a very fast driving state. I was in Pagosa Springs, CO a few years ago and a shop owner said they always know when it's spring break in Texas because of how fast everyone drives. Coming back from that trip me and about five other Texans maintained 93-95 on I-40 from whatever that crossroads is south of there all the way into Amarillo.

IMO Houston is the fastest city in America with 1B being Dallas. I-45 is a often racetrack between the two. When I say fastest I don't mean people drive fast in those cities, I mean everyone drives fast in those cities. I live in CS and my brother lives in Cypress so I make that trip a decent amount and I know on 290 from about Waller on it doesn't matter how fast I drive someone is going faster. 75? Yep. 100? Yep. Posted is 65, by the way.

I probably drive about like the OP meaning I'm on the high end of the range for traffic but in Houston I'm never the fastest on the road. What's worse is I routinely see police watching us go 90+ which effectively means the speed limit is 90+. It's like anything less than 95 (reckless driving limit, right?) isn't worth their time. In Dallas I've seen families in suburbans doing over 100 in their Sunday best. I remember joking that their God didn't teach patience.

The speed really doesn't bother me but the in and out of traffic does. I know that's a lot harder to catch than just straight speeding but it's also more dangerous. I think it boils down to the fact their every police agency around is short staffed and traffic patrol has been reduced.
Back in the mid-90s, when the laws first came out letting toll roads set their own speed limits higher than the 55 mph speed limit, HCTRA supposedly did a speed study to determine what the appropriate speed limit would be for the Hardy Toll Road. The guidance was that you set the speed limit at the 85th percentile speed because 15% of the drivers were assumed to be going unsafely fast. They had to scrap the idea of following that guidance when the study came back with an AVERAGE speed during rush hour of 83 MPH north of 1960 to the woodlands. I never heard what the 85th percentile speed was, but I would not be the least bit surprised to hear that it was over 90 mph. I was working down on 610 and commuting out to Conroe back then, and the left lane of the Hardy from about Greens Road to the Woodlands was routinely a 90+ lane if you didn't want to get run over.
TxAggieBand85
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I've noticed over the past few years, much less enforcement on driving infractions. Not absolutely sure why, but the reckless driving is way up. Houston has become a very dangerous place to drive. I commute several times a week from Spring to Hobby.

My opinion below:
The core reason is that the reckless drivers are uninsured and and have no true economic value. There is probably a directive on law enforcement to not pull over certain types of vehicles due to the drain on the authorities. Booking, post small bail and never see a cent from the offender. Burdens from the wrecks from are on the victim. Get hit by an uninsured, unlicensed driver, you are out of luck. All property damage and injures are your problem.

To fix this issue, arrests, deportations, seizures, insurance checks or check points would help. Until then, it is the wild west on the roads here in Houston. I know I pay $$$$ in insurance.
HumpitPuryear
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Nolanville!! Got a LOL when you mentioned it.

Enforcement is way way down for speeding. There are a lot of DPS doing border duty these days and they rotate them down south from other districts. Maybe that's having an impact?

People generally are driving more reckless and selfishly. I drive 2-lane highways in the hill country mostly these days and the number of drivers that will pass you in a no-passing zone is frightening. It shows a total disregard for others' lives. Driving fast during the day in good conditions is one thing. Passing when you have no idea of what's coming over the hill is stupid.
CactusThomas
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TLDR for others:

"I like to speed and apparently I'm not the only one anymore"

I can't believe I read that whole thing.
chimpanzee
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My theory has always been that some large subset of people in Houston drive as fast as they possibly can with traffic usually keeping that somewhat low. Once we get open road, we don't know that you're supposed to stop accelerating at some point. Now that you can get a 10 year old car with 400hp at every BHPH lot, things get kind of spicy.

Can't fault the guy in the 4Runner. He got that thing up to triple digits and it would have taken a month to get back if he lifted.
Ogre09
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I feel like traffic enforcement dropped off during COVID and only came back a small fraction of previous levels.
ILikeTacos
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At least now Houston won't have a street racing problem in March as Tx2k has relocated to Dallas after the closure of Royal Purple.

Street racing has always been a thing, and will continue to be a thing. In Dallas it is 121 from Carrolton to DNT, or up DNT to 380. I don't mind it when there is no traffic and people aren't putting others in danger, but as soon as they get into traffic they need to slow down to whatever the traffic is doing and wait for it to open up again.

I am constantly worried about bikes racing though. I am worried one night i will make a lane change and inadvertently side swipe or cut off some moron on a liter bike thinking they are immortal.
Naveronski
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robertcope said:

I just wish people would follow the "pass on the left" rule, would make things much safer imho.
You'd have to get rid of people doing the speed limit or 5 under in the left lane.
txags92
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Naveronski said:

robertcope said:

I just wish people would follow the "pass on the left" rule, would make things much safer imho.
You'd have to get rid of people doing the speed limit or 5 under in the left lane.


I am good with legalizing bumper mounted grenade launchers for this purpose…
Naveronski
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txags92 said:

Naveronski said:

robertcope said:

I just wish people would follow the "pass on the left" rule, would make things much safer imho.
You'd have to get rid of people doing the speed limit or 5 under in the left lane.


I am good with legalizing bumper mounted grenade launchers for this purpose…
Not where I thought this thread would go, but I'm 100% in.
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Ogre09 said:

I feel like traffic enforcement dropped off during COVID and only came back a small fraction of previous levels.
Bingo. I missed 1 day of work during covid. Pre-covid, I set my cruise control at 69 and spent most of my time in the left lane with nobody on my tail. Speeds went up during covid with nobody on the roads and never came back down with more traffic. Now I set my cruise at 74 and spend most of my time in the far right lane. Cops only pull people over in the toll lanes now.

It's a function of resources as others have mentioned. Cops only do an investigation now if there was a shooting AND someone died. If there's a shooting without a death and no witnesses immediately come forward there are more than enough murders for the police to spend time on.
txags92
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Ogre09 said:

I feel like traffic enforcement dropped off during COVID and only came back a small fraction of previous levels.
Traffic enforcement dropped off during 2020 in response to BLM and "Defund the Police" movements. Thousands of cops around the state that were in position to do so quit or retired from major metro area forces. They were not replaced by anybody, as funding levels changed and cadet classes were cancelled or went unfilled. The priorities of the departments have changed and traffic enforcement is at or near the bottom with car burglary, cat converter theft, etc. At the same time, everybody got used to driving a lot faster with open roads, thousands of new people from south of the border or from places like California have moved in who don't know how traffic flow is supposed to work, etc. Put it all together and you get chaos on the roads.
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txags92 said:

I was working down on 610 and commuting out to Conroe back then, and the left lane of the Hardy from about Greens Road to the Woodlands was routinely a 90+ lane if you didn't want to get run over.
I set my personal speed record on the Hardy Tollroad at 176mph (indicated) and still climbing. But at nearly 3 miles per minute I was quickly running out of pavement. That's still faster than any plane I've piloted.

In college I drove from Houston to Dallas in 2.5 hours averaging 95 mph (with 2 stops). I was cruising most of the drive between 120-130. Got passed by 1 maniac on that trip.
HollywoodBQ
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txags92 said:

Quote:

Historically, in Houston, the proper driving form is to do 80 mph 2 lanes from the left and leave the left lane open for the 100 mph drivers. There are two problems with that.

Tell me you haven't driven in Houston in the last 10 years without telling me...

The left lane in Houston is now for the people who want to read their phone or curl their eyelashes while driving 2-3 mph over the speed limit. If you want to do 75+, the only available lane for that is the right lane, because nobody drives there anymore except the occasional lawn care truck pulling a trailer at 10 under the speed limit.
Pretty accurate description.

We have the same problem in LA with folks who probably didn't learn to drive in the USA, camping out in the left lane.
HollywoodBQ
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CactusThomas said:

TLDR for others:

"I like to speed and apparently I'm not the only one anymore"

I can't believe I read that whole thing.
Sorry buddy.

I type fast too but I know there are some 120 wpm typists out there who blow my 60 wpm off the page.
HollywoodBQ
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ILikeTacos said:

At least now Houston won't have a street racing problem in March as Tx2k has relocated to Dallas after the closure of Royal Purple.

Street racing has always been a thing, and will continue to be a thing. In Dallas it is 121 from Carrolton to DNT, or up DNT to 380. I don't mind it when there is no traffic and people aren't putting others in danger, but as soon as they get into traffic they need to slow down to whatever the traffic is doing and wait for it to open up again.

I am constantly worried about bikes racing though. I am worried one night i will make a lane change and inadvertently side swipe or cut off some moron on a liter bike thinking they are immortal.
I'd seen some sort of news documentary about street racing in Dallas before so that doesn't surprise me.
And like I said, on the freeways at night in LA, you have to watch your rearview mirror.

With the lane splitting motorcycles in California, it's a miracle I never hit one of them or vice-versa.

I left two street racing motorcycles off my list because frankly, they were a minor problem compared to the Kia and Hyundai drivers.
OnlyForNow
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All I know is I was in HS 99-2003 and saw a dude get stabbed on Rankin Road after a street race. I have stayed away from that **** since then.

But yes 45 is the worst road around Houston for normal folks getting in racers way.
The Fife
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Houston... on the driver intelligence / aggressiveness chart they'd be on the dumb end of the scale / highly aggressive. The worst combo to be surrounded by.
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