Can you provide a reference or something on how that works?Dr. Doctor said:The repairs will be covered by FEMA.htxag09 said:
Not saying this to defend CP but they absolutely lost money. First, all those repairs aren't free. Second, with 2 million people without power those delivery fees per kWh they are no longer getting add up.
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Any business that manages financial risk is going to build that cost in and pass it to the customers.Dr. Doctor said:
Right now? They missed $7.5MM in revenue (3 days) vs. having to pay $7.5 MM. This changes the equation to a businessperson (finance) and how they determine risk.
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They may lose money on it in 2024, but they would have made money on it in 2022 and 2023. It's doing something to say we did something. In the end, it doesn't change anything.
From Google:AgLA06 said:Booma94 said:Raising rates to do what they're already paid to do after posting a $6B profit last year seems... like a recipe for revolt.AgLA06 said:PJYoung said:There's a happy medium between that and slashing things.AgLA06 said:Dr. Doctor said:aTm2004 said:
Mack out there telling it like it is. Tine legend.Post Tropical Storm Beryl Response Press Conference at GF 6006 N Frwy with Mattress Mack pic.twitter.com/HKp70hD2ee
— @MattressMack (@MattressMack) July 15, 2024
Mac out of F's to give and going to the mat for Houstonians.
But he didn't say anything wrong, that's for sure.
~egon
If you don't want a company looking out for their bottom line, then you're going to have to make it a government entity and all that comes with that.
Come on.
You know the stats on what Centerpoint is spending on maintenance how how that compares with other electric utilities.
Troll.
I've seen some posted. I noticed they were always in per capita numbers instead of actual dollars or work performed. I also know there's a good chance it's apples to oranges regardless withoutan actual analysis of anything being compared. But it's a point of argument.
I also expect Centerpoint to use this outrage to their advantage and propose raising their rate to do what everyone is demanding. And then I expect people will fight against it just like before.
Let's at least talk about actual profit if that is going ti be the argument.
I imagine (guess) their yearly profit is + or - based on the realized expected storm damage an army of analysts believes is likely and built into their budget and then running averages it so that it's more about a 3 or 5 year period than just 1. The billion dollar loss in 2020 would have drastically changed things if not.
So what happens if another major storm hits Houston this year? Or another? My guess is their profit will be much less for this year because of the derecho and the hurricane. If we get another similar storm it will be negative (if not already).
CenterPoint Energy annual gross profit for 2023 was $6.536B, a 4.91% increase from 2022. CenterPoint Energy annual gross profit for 2022 was $6.23B, a 3.54% increase from 2021. CenterPoint Energy annual gross profit for 2021 was $6.017B, a 6.06% increase from 2020.
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I understand the difference between gross and net, but the CEO's annual salary and their PAC and all of their other fluffed up contributions are coming out when calculating the net. The net is what they putting in the bank at the end of the year after everything else comes out, but the gross shows there is a lot of money there above what it costs to operate.
Even though you're a troll, 2 seconds of googling.
https://www.fema.gov/news-release/20200220/fema-grants-128-million-power-system-repair-four-texas-counties
https://www.electric.coop/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/fast_fact_fema_june_14_2016_update_final.pdf
(from the above)
~egon
https://www.fema.gov/news-release/20200220/fema-grants-128-million-power-system-repair-four-texas-counties
https://www.electric.coop/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/fast_fact_fema_june_14_2016_update_final.pdf
(from the above)
So it will be a mix of FEMA grants and tax write-offs. At the end, they aren't paying it.Quote:
Background: Under current federal law and policy, all utility systems receive federal funds and/or assistance for recovery after Presidentially-declared disasters. Investor-owned utilities, as for-profit entities, can use federal tax deductions and other accounting mechanism to offset expenses for restoring power. Not-for-profit co-ops cannot access these tax advantages. Decades ago, Congress took note of the cooperative business model and selected FEMA funds as the appropriate vehicle to offset expenses incurred by electric cooperatives following Presidentially-declared disasters.
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Maybe I'm reading your link wrong, but I think it says FEMA aid is supposed to help non-profit co-ops and is capped at $1M.
"The bill provides for an expedited process for many applicants, including electric cooperatives, by raising the Public Assistance small projects threshold from $35,000 to $1 million." Which is in line with the other link that shows a FEMA grant for 1.28 Million.
I google searched FEMA and Centerpoint before posting. Nothing came up. All I could find is a reference to the derecho where Centerpoint is using $100M in bonds to finance the derecho repairs and ultimately pass them to the customer. And of course people were complaining about the added cost which isn't surprising as most don't want to pay for the things people are suggesting.
https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/energy-environment/2024/05/24/488601/houston-area-customers-will-cover-centerpoints-100-million-plus-power-restoration-costs-after-deadly-storm/
"The bill provides for an expedited process for many applicants, including electric cooperatives, by raising the Public Assistance small projects threshold from $35,000 to $1 million." Which is in line with the other link that shows a FEMA grant for 1.28 Million.
I google searched FEMA and Centerpoint before posting. Nothing came up. All I could find is a reference to the derecho where Centerpoint is using $100M in bonds to finance the derecho repairs and ultimately pass them to the customer. And of course people were complaining about the added cost which isn't surprising as most don't want to pay for the things people are suggesting.
https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/energy-environment/2024/05/24/488601/houston-area-customers-will-cover-centerpoints-100-million-plus-power-restoration-costs-after-deadly-storm/
Our rates should not go up for Centerpoint to do their job. They risk not maintaining their easements and it has caught up to them twice in the past 2 months.
I like the Governor's idea of breaking it up. If Centerpoint wants it all, they have to spend the money they already receive to fix the infrastructure. If they don't or jack up rates then they lose to TNMP, Entergy and others.
I like the Governor's idea of breaking it up. If Centerpoint wants it all, they have to spend the money they already receive to fix the infrastructure. If they don't or jack up rates then they lose to TNMP, Entergy and others.
Trying to Google the Centerpoint / FEMA stuff this press release from the governor's office came up with his demands from Centerpoint.
"At the press conference, Governor Abbott directed CenterPoint to provide the Office of the Governor with the following action plan by July 31, 2024 on how they will address current power issues and reduce the possibility that power is lost in the future:
https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-demands-centerpoint-improve-their-hurricane-preparation-response-efforts
So what happens if CenterPoint comes back and says
"At the press conference, Governor Abbott directed CenterPoint to provide the Office of the Governor with the following action plan by July 31, 2024 on how they will address current power issues and reduce the possibility that power is lost in the future:
- CenterPoint must provide in detail how it plans to remove all vegetation that threatens any power line.
- CenterPoint must specify how it will prepare in advance of any tropical storm that enters the Gulf Coast.
- CenterPoint must specify action it will take to pre-stage enough linemen and other personnel to be able to immediately respond to any power outages that may occur for any tropical storm that hits their service region."
https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-demands-centerpoint-improve-their-hurricane-preparation-response-efforts
So what happens if CenterPoint comes back and says
- The majority of vegetation power line damage was from trees from outside the ROW falling and trimming branches wouldn't have changed anything.
- They had prepared by alerting crews to prepare to leave Houston to counties to the south of Houston (since that was the forecast up until at least Saturday for early morning Monday landfall)
- Lineman were staged per the forecast to assist others.
The point of CenterPoints rates are to do whatever job they do.Bondag said:
Our rates should not go up for Centerpoint to do their job
I think this is going to be the overarching problem and it was happening before Beryl. People want CenterPoint to to things that may or may not show statistly to reduce risk. But they also don't want CenterPoint to charge them for it. It's going to be an endless cycle.
Maybe they need to lower their profit margin a bit.
Yes you are. Looks like it racked to the left and fell. Look at the stairs.
Since I was not in Houston when Beryl hit, but in Orlando, the previous posts (on page 125, IIRC) talking about FL got me thinking. Mostly because I was driving back and got to see their infrastructure as compared to Houston's.
I was going to do screenshots, but can't upload to imgur right now. So these are selected google street views of power stuff. Again, these are selected or shots I remember when I was driving (something to do when driving 2,004 miles (whoop!)).
Florida (Clermont and Orlando)
https://maps.app.goo.gl/c1CLMGr4g9PVjQo3A - FL 50 in Clermont, substation
https://maps.app.goo.gl/fccDWZcDPrbpxpiV6 - FL 50, different side. wooden poles among concrete, but marked. Probably tracked as well for replacement/age.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/o9VJa4w88kcA7Tu38 - FL50. Wooden poles going to service distribution (looks like to me). But main feeders are major concrete poles with higher voltages on top, lower on bottom.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/rPqtAr83b7ycKtJi6 - Random neighborhood in Clermont with wooden poles. Everything clear and neat.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/KzV8vxrhAMCAyYzU8 - Orlando random place with trees trimmed away. Hard to find Orlando lines; most are buried, I assume.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/D4ti1ZZNd74CXTWx7 - Another Random Orlando place with both sets of lines; wooden and metal. Trees (mature) on side are trimmed back and spacing cleared).
Kingwood
https://maps.app.goo.gl/B5kKHdugrECwhoiT9 - Near my house; about 6 other poles that look like this. Trees on greenbelt aren't cut back.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/3VSAQHH2WXZCXNhS7 - Fun fact: this pole (hard to see, but there) is a disconnect line. They scheduled to replace the line. They dropped the pole and it sat. For ~9 months before they did work on it. I walked by it on my daily walks and never touched that time. The replaced the hardware, set the pole, then cut the top off and left the bottom portion (cable still attached to it). No idea why you don't pull the old pole out and leave a clean install.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/u5P4PMG6xW2KLS3f7 - Lines behind the old HEB. These are coming from the substation that feeds most (if not all) of Kingwood. Can't keep poles straight in 'clear' areas.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/svvTY2gYmf9WERTh6 - Poles that broke in Beryl. Instead of replacing with 'hardened' poles, they used wood. I think 3 broke here. Trees going up inside the lines, which ultimately brought them down.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/pfKAKf2f5HsHpDKG8 - Common example in Kingwood of not clearing out the lines. Granted, the lines are in the greenbelt areas, but no clear path of the lines.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/TLWfm6vmfEMMct4g7 - This is my favorite; near Kroger in the back of Kingwood. Until about January, the vegetation growing on the cable lines (at the bottom) were almost to the neutral grounds of the road. It took 2 days for a crew to clean them off (I watched them over the course of the 2 days). I realize not power lines, but these should fall on CNP to clean off (or contract out to clean off).
https://maps.app.goo.gl/JmjknkNJStWyjH538 - I think these are Entergy's, not CNP. Notice the clear path of minimal vegetation.
Alief
https://maps.app.goo.gl/xKvhzWJUAZSXCCPm7 - This is my favorite near my parent's house. Lines clearly through the wires, poles at all sorts of angles and CNP? *shrug*
https://maps.app.goo.gl/dpWfcNMpzNjNBUQX8 - Lines are supposed to lean like that, right? Oh and the wires are definitely larger than normal wires AND they are much closer to the ground. Not that I would grab them, but they are only like 10-12 ft from the ground instead of the normal height. Move the view to behind you to see those lines.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/PacRDFqTFwNqNBBt6 - The juxtaposition of the two types of lines is great; nice straight high tension lines and then the wooden ones just slapped up and sitting there, probably at least 45+ years old. The apartments were old as far back as I can remember, and I doubt power lines have been touched in that timeframe.
Freeport (past work life for me)
https://maps.app.goo.gl/JZ5Q3dz3pF6MzSxb8 - Freeport port and the way to Freeport LNG. What most of Houston should look like, from a power pole perspective.
If we had CNP spending money the way they should be spending, we'd have lines that look more like Freeport/FL than what we have here. Ike was 2008 (16 years ago), Harvey was 2017 (7 years ago), along with Derecho's, strong fronts and other storms. Don't tell me we can spend the money or that'll cost more. We've already paid it, directly or indirectly (generators, cutting own trees, lost work/time, etc.)
~egon
I was going to do screenshots, but can't upload to imgur right now. So these are selected google street views of power stuff. Again, these are selected or shots I remember when I was driving (something to do when driving 2,004 miles (whoop!)).
Florida (Clermont and Orlando)
https://maps.app.goo.gl/c1CLMGr4g9PVjQo3A - FL 50 in Clermont, substation
https://maps.app.goo.gl/fccDWZcDPrbpxpiV6 - FL 50, different side. wooden poles among concrete, but marked. Probably tracked as well for replacement/age.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/o9VJa4w88kcA7Tu38 - FL50. Wooden poles going to service distribution (looks like to me). But main feeders are major concrete poles with higher voltages on top, lower on bottom.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/rPqtAr83b7ycKtJi6 - Random neighborhood in Clermont with wooden poles. Everything clear and neat.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/KzV8vxrhAMCAyYzU8 - Orlando random place with trees trimmed away. Hard to find Orlando lines; most are buried, I assume.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/D4ti1ZZNd74CXTWx7 - Another Random Orlando place with both sets of lines; wooden and metal. Trees (mature) on side are trimmed back and spacing cleared).
Kingwood
https://maps.app.goo.gl/B5kKHdugrECwhoiT9 - Near my house; about 6 other poles that look like this. Trees on greenbelt aren't cut back.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/3VSAQHH2WXZCXNhS7 - Fun fact: this pole (hard to see, but there) is a disconnect line. They scheduled to replace the line. They dropped the pole and it sat. For ~9 months before they did work on it. I walked by it on my daily walks and never touched that time. The replaced the hardware, set the pole, then cut the top off and left the bottom portion (cable still attached to it). No idea why you don't pull the old pole out and leave a clean install.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/u5P4PMG6xW2KLS3f7 - Lines behind the old HEB. These are coming from the substation that feeds most (if not all) of Kingwood. Can't keep poles straight in 'clear' areas.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/svvTY2gYmf9WERTh6 - Poles that broke in Beryl. Instead of replacing with 'hardened' poles, they used wood. I think 3 broke here. Trees going up inside the lines, which ultimately brought them down.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/pfKAKf2f5HsHpDKG8 - Common example in Kingwood of not clearing out the lines. Granted, the lines are in the greenbelt areas, but no clear path of the lines.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/TLWfm6vmfEMMct4g7 - This is my favorite; near Kroger in the back of Kingwood. Until about January, the vegetation growing on the cable lines (at the bottom) were almost to the neutral grounds of the road. It took 2 days for a crew to clean them off (I watched them over the course of the 2 days). I realize not power lines, but these should fall on CNP to clean off (or contract out to clean off).
https://maps.app.goo.gl/JmjknkNJStWyjH538 - I think these are Entergy's, not CNP. Notice the clear path of minimal vegetation.
Alief
https://maps.app.goo.gl/xKvhzWJUAZSXCCPm7 - This is my favorite near my parent's house. Lines clearly through the wires, poles at all sorts of angles and CNP? *shrug*
https://maps.app.goo.gl/dpWfcNMpzNjNBUQX8 - Lines are supposed to lean like that, right? Oh and the wires are definitely larger than normal wires AND they are much closer to the ground. Not that I would grab them, but they are only like 10-12 ft from the ground instead of the normal height. Move the view to behind you to see those lines.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/PacRDFqTFwNqNBBt6 - The juxtaposition of the two types of lines is great; nice straight high tension lines and then the wooden ones just slapped up and sitting there, probably at least 45+ years old. The apartments were old as far back as I can remember, and I doubt power lines have been touched in that timeframe.
Freeport (past work life for me)
https://maps.app.goo.gl/JZ5Q3dz3pF6MzSxb8 - Freeport port and the way to Freeport LNG. What most of Houston should look like, from a power pole perspective.
If we had CNP spending money the way they should be spending, we'd have lines that look more like Freeport/FL than what we have here. Ike was 2008 (16 years ago), Harvey was 2017 (7 years ago), along with Derecho's, strong fronts and other storms. Don't tell me we can spend the money or that'll cost more. We've already paid it, directly or indirectly (generators, cutting own trees, lost work/time, etc.)
~egon
The only way that happens is with government mandates. The government is currently doing that in insurance with the Affordable Cares Act 80/20 rule mandating profit margins.maroon barchetta said:
Maybe they need to lower their profit margin a bit.
I would argue it would be better for us if instead of government regulating profit in private companies to introduce policies to promote fair competition, which would prevent businesses from earning abnormally high margins. As setting a fixed margin creates an incentive for companies to inflate costs instead of cutting them, so it's not a magic tool to make a monopoly into a fair business. My guess is it would end up just like US Insurance and cost us more in the end with even less to show for it.
How would they realistically promote fair competition in this space?
The only way I could see that is if the state / county owned the lines and contracted out for everything CenterPoint or other utilities are currently doing for the lines they own. Similar to the Co-ops other places. New lines, repairs, maintenance, trimming, etc all by contracts. Probably ends up with an agency bigger than CenterPoint and more expensive and more government quality service.htxag09 said:
How would they realistically promote fair competition in this space?
Where this ultimately leads is unless utilities go state owned, none of the hand ringing changes much. Being without power a week after a hurricane is just part of living in a city known for floods, tornadoes, and hurricanes. No different than mountain states where blizzards have the same effect. Or wildfires and mudslides in California.
Talk about interesting conversations with lineman.
Our street just got the first trucks so I went to chat with them. They are all out of Florida. I asked if they needed waters or anything and their response was.
"We can't accept anything. We had guys get poisoned with fentanyl from water. People have busted our mirrors on our trucks with crowbars and some of our guys were held at gunpoint. Houston is F'ing nuts and we can't wait to go home".
Of course when I asked where that happened, he really didn't know. Lot's of rumors circulating. Even among the lineman.
Our street just got the first trucks so I went to chat with them. They are all out of Florida. I asked if they needed waters or anything and their response was.
"We can't accept anything. We had guys get poisoned with fentanyl from water. People have busted our mirrors on our trucks with crowbars and some of our guys were held at gunpoint. Houston is F'ing nuts and we can't wait to go home".
Of course when I asked where that happened, he really didn't know. Lot's of rumors circulating. Even among the lineman.
AgLA06 said:
Talk about interesting conversations with lineman.
Our street just got the first trucks so I went to chat with them. They are all out of Florida. I asked if they needed waters or anything and their response was.
"We can't accept anything. We had guys get poisoned with fentanyl from water. People have busted our mirrors on our trucks with crowbars and some of our guys were held at gunpoint. Houston is F'ing nuts and we can't wait to go home".
Of course when I asked where that happened, he really didn't know. Lot's of rumors circulating. Even among the lineman.
I heard this second hand yesterday from a friend in Bellaire.
AgLA06 said:
Talk about interesting conversations with lineman.
Our street just got the first trucks so I went to chat with them. They are all out of Florida. I asked if they needed waters or anything and their response was.
"We can't accept anything. We had guys get poisoned with fentanyl from water. People have busted our mirrors on our trucks with crowbars and some of our guys were held at gunpoint. Houston is F'ing nuts and we can't wait to go home".
Of course when I asked where that happened, he really didn't know. Lot's of rumors circulating. Even among the lineman.
I don't believe any of this.
I don't either, but anything is possible.BSD said:AgLA06 said:
Talk about interesting conversations with lineman.
Our street just got the first trucks so I went to chat with them. They are all out of Florida. I asked if they needed waters or anything and their response was.
"We can't accept anything. We had guys get poisoned with fentanyl from water. People have busted our mirrors on our trucks with crowbars and some of our guys were held at gunpoint. Houston is F'ing nuts and we can't wait to go home".
Of course when I asked where that happened, he really didn't know. Lot's of rumors circulating. Even among the lineman.
I don't believe any of this.
Based on my days in commercial construction it's just as likely guys with extra money in their pockets away from home bought bad drugs, went somewhere they shouldn't have for the wrong reasons, or accidently knocked off their own mirror driving a large truck in a hurricane zone and found convenient excuses to avoid the wrath of the company.
It's about as believable as companies sending workers from out of state without agreements.
WTAF?
This cell phone video was shot by mutual aid line workers from out-of-state in Houston to help restore power, and shared with @weatherchannel. This is an example of some of the violence against the line workers being seen around Houston. @houstonpolice arrested a 38-year-old man… pic.twitter.com/O7zlV6UQZg
— Justin Michaels (@JMichaelsNews) July 14, 2024
I don't believe that. A few people in my former neighborhood set up a tent and provided beverages, breakfast, lunch, and snacks for the linemen. The organizers got so many donations they went out and purchased cooling towels for everybody as well. This was yesterday, and the crews working in that area had no problem accepting the neighborhood hospitality.AgLA06 said:
Talk about interesting conversations with lineman.
Our street just got the first trucks so I went to chat with them. They are all out of Florida. I asked if they needed waters or anything and their response was.
"We can't accept anything. We had guys get poisoned with fentanyl from water. People have busted our mirrors on our trucks with crowbars and some of our guys were held at gunpoint. Houston is F'ing nuts and we can't wait to go home".
Of course when I asked where that happened, he really didn't know. Lot's of rumors circulating. Even among the lineman.
We have linemen form all over the place. It is certainly possible that a crew works for a company that has barred them from receiving hospitality. That doesn't mean that the rest have the same rule.Fan said:I don't believe that. A few people in my former neighborhood set up a tent and provided beverages, breakfast, lunch, and snacks for the linemen. The organizers got so many donations they went out and purchased cooling towels for everybody as well. This was yesterday, and the crews working in that area had no problem accepting the neighborhood hospitality.AgLA06 said:
Talk about interesting conversations with lineman.
Our street just got the first trucks so I went to chat with them. They are all out of Florida. I asked if they needed waters or anything and their response was.
"We can't accept anything. We had guys get poisoned with fentanyl from water. People have busted our mirrors on our trucks with crowbars and some of our guys were held at gunpoint. Houston is F'ing nuts and we can't wait to go home".
Of course when I asked where that happened, he really didn't know. Lot's of rumors circulating. Even among the lineman.
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AgLA06 said:
Talk about interesting conversations with lineman.
Our street just got the first trucks so I went to chat with them. They are all out of Florida. I asked if they needed waters or anything and their response was.
"We can't accept anything. We had guys get poisoned with fentanyl from water. People have busted our mirrors on our trucks with crowbars and some of our guys were held at gunpoint. Houston is F'ing nuts and we can't wait to go home".
Of course when I asked where that happened, he really didn't know. Lot's of rumors circulating. Even among the lineman.
Wait until they hear about the razor blades in the Halloween candy and the LSD on the ATM deposit envelopes.
Right!Milwaukees Best Light said:AgLA06 said:
Talk about interesting conversations with lineman.
Our street just got the first trucks so I went to chat with them. They are all out of Florida. I asked if they needed waters or anything and their response was.
"We can't accept anything. We had guys get poisoned with fentanyl from water. People have busted our mirrors on our trucks with crowbars and some of our guys were held at gunpoint. Houston is F'ing nuts and we can't wait to go home".
Of course when I asked where that happened, he really didn't know. Lot's of rumors circulating. Even among the lineman.
Wait until they hear about the razor blades in the Halloween candy and the LSD on the ATM deposit envelopes.
It's probably just unsubstantiated rumors.
But I have seen some messed up stuff happen to workers in commercial construction and O&G that can't be rationalized by the average person. All it takes is one crack head like Wessimo's video.
AgLA06 said:Right!Milwaukees Best Light said:AgLA06 said:
Talk about interesting conversations with lineman.
Our street just got the first trucks so I went to chat with them. They are all out of Florida. I asked if they needed waters or anything and their response was.
"We can't accept anything. We had guys get poisoned with fentanyl from water. People have busted our mirrors on our trucks with crowbars and some of our guys were held at gunpoint. Houston is F'ing nuts and we can't wait to go home".
Of course when I asked where that happened, he really didn't know. Lot's of rumors circulating. Even among the lineman.
Wait until they hear about the razor blades in the Halloween candy and the LSD on the ATM deposit envelopes.
It's probably just unsubstantiated rumors.
But I have seen some messed up stuff happen to workers in commercial construction and O&G that can't be rationalized by the average person. All it takes is one crack head.
I can't imagine why anyone would want to **** with a crew you were on
Power Back in 77018 - 1 day early according to the map. For reference - IKE -we were down 1 days, Derecho 3 days, Beryl 8 days - gotta admit I have been close to loosing my **** - since I haven't seen trucks in the hood until 24 hours ago!
Emotional overreactions happen all the time.NickNaylor said:AgLA06 said:Right!Milwaukees Best Light said:AgLA06 said:
Talk about interesting conversations with lineman.
Our street just got the first trucks so I went to chat with them. They are all out of Florida. I asked if they needed waters or anything and their response was.
"We can't accept anything. We had guys get poisoned with fentanyl from water. People have busted our mirrors on our trucks with crowbars and some of our guys were held at gunpoint. Houston is F'ing nuts and we can't wait to go home".
Of course when I asked where that happened, he really didn't know. Lot's of rumors circulating. Even among the lineman.
Wait until they hear about the razor blades in the Halloween candy and the LSD on the ATM deposit envelopes.
It's probably just unsubstantiated rumors.
But I have seen some messed up stuff happen to workers in commercial construction and O&G that can't be rationalized by the average person. All it takes is one crack head.
I can't imagine why anyone would want to **** with a crew you were on
I have done nothing but post information in a normal discussion. I haven't posted anything hateful or obscene or broken TexAgs rules as others have done on this thread. I'm not trolling even though that seems to be the most used excuse. Your post is the best irony of the entire situation. But because I don't agree and have politely posted links to information and provided counter points, you think what you said is okay.
And the fact that the posts similar to yours have often been sock accounts without Ag tags or stars hasn't been lost on me. It' very clear people have purposely done so behind anonymity of sock accounts instead of their main accounts because they know it's wrong.
The mosquito plague is upon us. I drove through a thick cloud of them on Saturday along 288 and had to spray the truck off when I got home because it was so bad. The smell was horrible.
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WTAF?This cell phone video was shot by mutual aid line workers from out-of-state in Houston to help restore power, and shared with @weatherchannel. This is an example of some of the violence against the line workers being seen around Houston. @houstonpolice arrested a 38-year-old man… pic.twitter.com/O7zlV6UQZg
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Come to Cloverleaf, might change your opinion on what is believable or not.Fan said:I don't believe that. A few people in my former neighborhood set up a tent and provided beverages, breakfast, lunch, and snacks for the linemen. The organizers got so many donations they went out and purchased cooling towels for everybody as well. This was yesterday, and the crews working in that area had no problem accepting the neighborhood hospitality.AgLA06 said:
Talk about interesting conversations with lineman.
Our street just got the first trucks so I went to chat with them. They are all out of Florida. I asked if they needed waters or anything and their response was.
"We can't accept anything. We had guys get poisoned with fentanyl from water. People have busted our mirrors on our trucks with crowbars and some of our guys were held at gunpoint. Houston is F'ing nuts and we can't wait to go home".
Of course when I asked where that happened, he really didn't know. Lot's of rumors circulating. Even among the lineman.
I see something 'unbelievable' almost daily
AgLA06 said:Emotional overreactions happen all the time.NickNaylor said:AgLA06 said:Right!Milwaukees Best Light said:AgLA06 said:
Talk about interesting conversations with lineman.
Our street just got the first trucks so I went to chat with them. They are all out of Florida. I asked if they needed waters or anything and their response was.
"We can't accept anything. We had guys get poisoned with fentanyl from water. People have busted our mirrors on our trucks with crowbars and some of our guys were held at gunpoint. Houston is F'ing nuts and we can't wait to go home".
Of course when I asked where that happened, he really didn't know. Lot's of rumors circulating. Even among the lineman.
Wait until they hear about the razor blades in the Halloween candy and the LSD on the ATM deposit envelopes.
It's probably just unsubstantiated rumors.
But I have seen some messed up stuff happen to workers in commercial construction and O&G that can't be rationalized by the average person. All it takes is one crack head.
I can't imagine why anyone would want to **** with a crew you were on
I have done nothing but post information in a normal discussion. I haven't posted anything hateful or obscene or broken TexAgs rules as others have done on this thread. I'm not trolling even though that seems to be the most used excuse. Your post is the best irony of the entire situation. But because I don't agree and have politely posted links to information and provided counter points, you think what you said is okay.
You aren't a victim dude. Stop trying so hard to be one.
Nothing on this thread deserves the BS mob mentality that took place either.Project Gemini said:AgLA06 said:Emotional overreactions happen all the time.NickNaylor said:AgLA06 said:Right!Milwaukees Best Light said:AgLA06 said:
Talk about interesting conversations with lineman.
Our street just got the first trucks so I went to chat with them. They are all out of Florida. I asked if they needed waters or anything and their response was.
"We can't accept anything. We had guys get poisoned with fentanyl from water. People have busted our mirrors on our trucks with crowbars and some of our guys were held at gunpoint. Houston is F'ing nuts and we can't wait to go home".
Of course when I asked where that happened, he really didn't know. Lot's of rumors circulating. Even among the lineman.
Wait until they hear about the razor blades in the Halloween candy and the LSD on the ATM deposit envelopes.
It's probably just unsubstantiated rumors.
But I have seen some messed up stuff happen to workers in commercial construction and O&G that can't be rationalized by the average person. All it takes is one crack head.
I can't imagine why anyone would want to **** with a crew you were on
I have done nothing but post information in a normal discussion. I haven't posted anything hateful or obscene or broken TexAgs rules as others have done on this thread. I'm not trolling even though that seems to be the most used excuse. Your post is the best irony of the entire situation. But because I don't agree and have politely posted links to information and provided counter points, you think what you said is okay.
You aren't a victim dude. Stop trying so hard to be one.
Do you believe what he said was okay?
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I was looking at the outtage map and came across this list by neighborhood. Has this info been posted yet?
https://www.centerpointenergy.com/en-us/Safety/Pages/Storm-updates.aspx?intcid=website-internal-mcta-eoc_beryl_service_area_page-07102024-cehe-web_traffic-na&sa=ho&au=res
The find your service area map is going to give realtors all sorts of ideas about what to call neighborhoods
https://www.centerpointenergy.com/en-us/Safety/Pages/Storm-updates.aspx?intcid=website-internal-mcta-eoc_beryl_service_area_page-07102024-cehe-web_traffic-na&sa=ho&au=res
The find your service area map is going to give realtors all sorts of ideas about what to call neighborhoods
I suspect if multiple line workers were poisoned with fentanyl in a water bottle in an attempted mass murder, that it would make the news.AgLA06 said:
"We can't accept anything. We had guys get poisoned with fentanyl from water.
This reminds me of Facebook posts that claim children are being abducted and sold at Target because a "strange person" looked at them in the aisle.
Guitarsoup said:maroon barchetta said:
Did you respond with a message that ended with the word "off"?
I'm going to plant Bamboo in the HOA president's yard.
Throw Bahia grass seeds in her lawn
AgLA06 said:Emotional overreactions happen all the time.NickNaylor said:AgLA06 said:Right!Milwaukees Best Light said:AgLA06 said:
Talk about interesting conversations with lineman.
Our street just got the first trucks so I went to chat with them. They are all out of Florida. I asked if they needed waters or anything and their response was.
"We can't accept anything. We had guys get poisoned with fentanyl from water. People have busted our mirrors on our trucks with crowbars and some of our guys were held at gunpoint. Houston is F'ing nuts and we can't wait to go home".
Of course when I asked where that happened, he really didn't know. Lot's of rumors circulating. Even among the lineman.
Wait until they hear about the razor blades in the Halloween candy and the LSD on the ATM deposit envelopes.
It's probably just unsubstantiated rumors.
But I have seen some messed up stuff happen to workers in commercial construction and O&G that can't be rationalized by the average person. All it takes is one crack head.
I can't imagine why anyone would want to **** with a crew you were on
I have done nothing but post information in a normal discussion. I haven't posted anything hateful or obscene or broken TexAgs rules as others have done on this thread. I'm not trolling even though that seems to be the most used excuse. Your post is the best irony of the entire situation. But because I don't agree and have politely posted links to information and provided counter points, you think what you said is okay.
And the fact that the posts similar to yours have often been sock accounts without Ag tags or stars hasn't been lost on me. It' very clear people have purposely done so behind anonymity of sock accounts instead of their main accounts because they know it's wrong.
The irony of you calling out sock accounts while posting anonymously is not lost on me. You aren't associating your name with your posts.
Just a keyboard warrior.