This is the Entergy update from 11am today. Could be Sunday for us, 77385

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Woodlands Network (includes Oak Ridge North, Shenandoah, Woodloch, and surrounding areas)
There are approximately 13,000 customers without power in the Woodlands network. Major issues in the area include downed trees and vegetation, as well as damage to high-voltage lines and substations.

Damage assessments are approximately 60% completed and have found:

• 36 poles down
• 44,700 feet of downed wire
• 15 damaged transformers
• 39 broken crossarms

Some areas are taking longer than others to restore as these are in complex and off-road areas.

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I have about six North Houston Line trucks on the main street in front of our cul de sac. This is giving me some hope.

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BowSowy said:

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560K is way less than the 1.35m they show on their website. Not that we needed any proof, but this makes it clear that their numbers are just made up

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Yep, they're clueless.

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As someone mentioned earlier, the 560 is likely only within the city limits since he was talking to the city council, versus the larger number being their entire service area.

It's plausible.

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If their "new" gis map is to be believed, 2/3 of kingwood is out. That's about 50k+ people of the 560k.

~egon

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AlaskanAg99 said:

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Ag13 said:

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Tutunjian says as of 9 a.m., 560,000 Houston customers are still without power. By end of tonight, CenterPoint is expecting to have assessments completed in order to give an estimate of when power will be restored to 100% of customers.

— Victor Jacobo (@victorjacobo_) July 10, 2024

Don't worry guys - I know it's hot but assessments will be done by tonight. Progress?

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They didn't plan for a Cat 1 storm? How is that even possible when the scale goes to 5? I could understand if they hadn't planned for Cat 4-5 as those are hellacious storms. But this was not a major hurricane.

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I remember seeing a chart (from Centerpoint I believe) posted in the media before Beryl hit stating that a Category 5 would lead to outages of weeks to months. I'm also sure they said Cat 1 would be up to a few days, and we can see we are looking at weeks for some people more likely.

I can't even imagine the outages from a Category 5. Months might be generous.

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I'm pretty sure you're are referencing the standard Saffir-Simpson Hurrican Scale Impact descriptions

Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Wind Scale (noaa.gov)

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Cromagnum said:

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AlaskanAg99 said:

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Ag13 said:

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Tutunjian says as of 9 a.m., 560,000 Houston customers are still without power. By end of tonight, CenterPoint is expecting to have assessments completed in order to give an estimate of when power will be restored to 100% of customers.

— Victor Jacobo (@victorjacobo_) July 10, 2024

Don't worry guys - I know it's hot but assessments will be done by tonight. Progress?

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They didn't plan for a Cat 1 storm? How is that even possible when the scale goes to 5? I could understand if they hadn't planned for Cat 4-5 as those are hellacious storms. But this was not a major hurricane.

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The way this goes, if a Cat 5 comes in for a direct hit, just go ahead and buy a new home somewhere else and collect the insurance money on the the ****pile that will be left behind.

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I wonder how far inland the destruction would go. Having borderline low end cat 1 wind gusts on the northside was a little nerve racking. I can't imagine what we would get with a Cat 5 hitting Freeport directly. I know we are far from the coast and the storm surge, but I'm not sure how well homes will hold up even in the North suburbs.

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I remember my grandmother talking about Hurricane Carla in 1961. Carla came in as a Cat 4.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Carla

Anybody in Richmond have power?

Over behind Brazos Town Center in Rosenberg with power -

FML. Centerpoint barely gets going and now we have gigantic thunderstorms throwing lightning around to shut all the work down.

Part of my family is from New Orleans and they had a long time Waveland house on the beach road. I went two weeks after Katrina and it and all the houses around it were just gone. When I say gone, all that was left were the foundations. Everything else was pushed back to the railroad tracks half a mile (+\-) inland from the storm surge.

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Part of my family is from New Orleans and they had a long time Waveland house on the beach road. I went two weeks after Katrina and it and all the houses around it were just gone. When I say gone, all that was left were the foundations. Everything else was pushed back to the railroad tracks half a mile (+\-) inland from the storm surge.

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Yes. We "joke" that people 2-3 blocks from the beach had beachfront property after that storm. Many of them still do, almost 20 years later because people just didn't build back. Storm surge like that is absolutely terrifying.

My parents were near a river marsh. So they didn't get surge, but the water came up very quickly for the reasons I mentioned.

cena05 said:

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Breaker box and gas line are on opposite sides. How long do propane tanks last for home power?

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Ours is also like that. Too long to run gas line from meter to electrical panel.

We're running our generator on gasoline. About 18 gallons per day to run our whole home, including 5 ton ac. Well worth it.

Will be researching some large propane tanks for future usage so it can run longer before needing to refuel.

Lol i saw that on my way home to meet xfinity guy.

AlaskanAg99 said:

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ccaggie05 said:

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AlaskanAg99 said:

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Ag13 said:

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Tutunjian says as of 9 a.m., 560,000 Houston customers are still without power. By end of tonight, CenterPoint is expecting to have assessments completed in order to give an estimate of when power will be restored to 100% of customers.

— Victor Jacobo (@victorjacobo_) July 10, 2024

Don't worry guys - I know it's hot but assessments will be done by tonight. Progress?

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They didn't plan for a Cat 1 storm? How is that even possible when the scale goes to 5? I could understand if they hadn't planned for Cat 4-5 as those are hellacious storms. But this was not a major hurricane.

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I remember seeing a chart (from Centerpoint I believe) posted in the media before Beryl hit stating that a Category 5 would lead to outages of weeks to months. I'm also sure they said Cat 1 would be up to a few days, and we can see we are looking at weeks for some people more likely.

I can't even imagine the outages from a Category 5. Months might be generous.

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People would have to relocate not only due to lack of power, but to homes being damaged so badly they're not habitable. County or City would red tag them and I can't imaging if the majority of 5-6M people in the greater Houston area had to leave. They would be dispersed all over the US.

To openly state they were taken back by the widespread damage from a Cat 1 clearly shows they have no idea how to model for events like this. I've said this before, but I'll take flooding over wind every single time.

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This got me curious so I looked it up the Hurricane Katrina Diaspora

New Orleans had a pre Katrina population of 484K. Post Katrina it dropped to about 254K. As late as 2020 it was around 383K but not all of those were evacuees that returned home.

When you look at the entire area affected (Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama) about 1.5 million people were displaced with about 60% of those eventually returning. That's probably one of the largest migrations in the United States aside from the post Civil War Great Migration.

There's what 7 million people in the Houston metro area? You wouldn't need a Cat 4 or 5 to dwarf Katrina.

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Part of my family is from New Orleans and they had a long time Waveland house on the beach road. I went two weeks after Katrina and it and all the houses around it were just gone. When I say gone, all that was left were the foundations. Everything else was pushed back to the railroad tracks half a mile (+\-) inland from the storm surge.

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I have family in Pass Christian and Long Beach. What happened in New Orleans was bad, but parts of the Mississippi coast were just erased from the map like they never existed. They didn't get nearly the attention that New Orleans did but I always thought the devastation there was far worse.

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jbanda said:

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That's disappointing to hear. Now this is my new aspirational generator.

https://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/Westinghouse-WGEN20000TFC-Portable-Generator/p154101.html

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Side note on this for the board.

With a 50-amp plug off this at 230 you can output 11,500w to your panel. If you were to fully use this unit you would need two panels, two 50a plugs, etc. to extract all the power out of this. Otherwise find the smallest generator that gives you consistent 11500w on natural gas and load up that 50a.

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True. But you aren't much over that on NG on this one (4K watts)

So I guess my question would be if this was running on NG and in theory putting out 16,000 watts and 12,000 watts is the most going through the 50amp cord / breaker to the home, is there any issues from that? Does it damage anything?

Or does it just mean 12k watts are being fed to the home and you could run additional extension cords from the 110 plugs if you wanted to split off some garage fridges / freezers and everything would be fine?

I ask because this is the only other option then for the math.

https://westinghouseoutdoorpower.com/collections/traditional-generators/products/wgen14500tfc-tri-fuel-with-co-sensor

But it also means it would be running at 100% load to put all 11,600 watts in to the house. Which doesn't seem ideal. Seems running the 20K (16k NG) at 2/3 load would make more sense.

Daddy-O5 said:

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A #Houston man was stranded in Whataburger parking lot due to quickly rising floodwaters.

While waiting on floodwaters to recede, he grabbed a fishing pole out of his vehicle and caught a nice bass in a nearby flooded ditch.

If that ain't Texas, I don't know what is. 🤠 🎣 pic.twitter.com/bClvOvK4BZ

—  TRAP SHIESTY  (@ITSHIM274) July 8, 2024

Legend

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Wasn't that from Harvey?

Maybe not but it is from a few years ago.

Looks like it's from Harvey or some other time before. Just popped up on my x timeline.

Still hilarious.

Dill-Ag13 said:

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jbanda said:

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That's disappointing to hear. Now this is my new aspirational generator.

https://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/Westinghouse-WGEN20000TFC-Portable-Generator/p154101.html

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Side note on this for the board.

With a 50-amp plug off this at 230 you can output 11,500w to your panel. If you were to fully use this unit you would need two panels, two 50a plugs, etc. to extract all the power out of this. Otherwise find the smallest generator that gives you consistent 11500w on natural gas and load up that 50a.

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All true about capacity. No sense in going above 50A on a portable, and no need for most people with soft starts and /or staged/variable speed HVAC installed anyway.

I recently got delivery of my Westinghouse 11500TFC but did not have occasion to use it during Beryl:

https://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/Westinghouse-WGEN11500TFC-Portable-Generator/p151496.html

If we are going for aspirational pick, it would be this one:

https://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/Westinghouse-WGEN14500TFC-Portable-Generator/p154100.html

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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ccaggie05 said:

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Cromagnum said:

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AlaskanAg99 said:

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Ag13 said:

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Tutunjian says as of 9 a.m., 560,000 Houston customers are still without power. By end of tonight, CenterPoint is expecting to have assessments completed in order to give an estimate of when power will be restored to 100% of customers.

— Victor Jacobo (@victorjacobo_) July 10, 2024

Don't worry guys - I know it's hot but assessments will be done by tonight. Progress?

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They didn't plan for a Cat 1 storm? How is that even possible when the scale goes to 5? I could understand if they hadn't planned for Cat 4-5 as those are hellacious storms. But this was not a major hurricane.

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The way this goes, if a Cat 5 comes in for a direct hit, just go ahead and buy a new home somewhere else and collect the insurance money on the the ****pile that will be left behind.

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I wonder how far inland the destruction would go. Having borderline low end cat 1 wind gusts on the northside was a little nerve racking. I can't imagine what we would get with a Cat 5 hitting Freeport directly. I know we are far from the coast and the storm surge, but I'm not sure how well homes will hold up even in the North suburbs.

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I remember my grandmother talking about Hurricane Carla in 1961. Carla came in as a Cat 4.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Carla

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Quite a bit fewer people living in Houston too. Don't want to imagine that now.

Tone deaf call of the day from centerpoint:

Got an automated call telling me that "on 7/2/24 that based on similar homes I was #35 of 100 in least amount of energy usage and for the next high usage day try to beat my ranking"

TXTransplant said:

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ccaggie05 said:

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Cromagnum said:

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AlaskanAg99 said:

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Ag13 said:

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Tutunjian says as of 9 a.m., 560,000 Houston customers are still without power. By end of tonight, CenterPoint is expecting to have assessments completed in order to give an estimate of when power will be restored to 100% of customers.

— Victor Jacobo (@victorjacobo_) July 10, 2024

Don't worry guys - I know it's hot but assessments will be done by tonight. Progress?

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They didn't plan for a Cat 1 storm? How is that even possible when the scale goes to 5? I could understand if they hadn't planned for Cat 4-5 as those are hellacious storms. But this was not a major hurricane.

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The way this goes, if a Cat 5 comes in for a direct hit, just go ahead and buy a new home somewhere else and collect the insurance money on the the ****pile that will be left behind.

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I wonder how far inland the destruction would go. Having borderline low end cat 1 wind gusts on the northside was a little nerve racking. I can't imagine what we would get with a Cat 5 hitting Freeport directly. I know we are far from the coast and the storm surge, but I'm not sure how well homes will hold up even in the North suburbs.

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There is a lot to learn from Katrina, if you are interested. There was significant damage even north of Hattiesburg, MS, which is about 70 miles from the coast. But it's unlikely a house that far north would just blow over from wind. Most of the damage was still from trees. But since areas that far north don't typically get winds that high, trees are often closer to homes because they aren't seen as a threat.

The storm surge also goes much further inland than one might expect. The force of the water raises the level in all sorts of rivers and creeks that you don't even realize are connected. And you can get surge in both directions - from the water to shore and back the other way, if you are in between two bodies of water (say the gulf and a bay).

As aggravated as I am with all of this, I keep thinking about my parents after that storm. They were in the house when 4 feet of water came in. They put everything they could save in the attic, but we still lost most of our family stuff (photos, videos, etc). To this day, my mom keeps toilet paper in the attic.

They slept on their back deck on cots for weeks. They had a metal can with a spoon on it that they would beat to keep the raccoons and possums away.

A dear friend who went with her dad to my parents' house after the storm to help them recover still has PTSD from it. I can't type this without tearing up. It's almost unreal what MS went through. And the population there is a tiny fraction of here.

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That story is heartbreaking. I hate to hear that your parents, along with countless others, experienced that.


Your comments also makes me wonder how much surge would back up rivers like the San Jac or Brazos, and if surge would end up in places not accounted for on the current storm surge maps.

I think specifically of the San Jac going back into Lake Houston, and then up into places like Kingwood, along with countless other examples.

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drmwvr said:

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Part of my family is from New Orleans and they had a long time Waveland house on the beach road. I went two weeks after Katrina and it and all the houses around it were just gone. When I say gone, all that was left were the foundations. Everything else was pushed back to the railroad tracks half a mile (+\-) inland from the storm surge.

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I have family in Pass Christian and Long Beach. What happened in New Orleans was bad, but parts of the Mississippi coast were just erased from the map like they never existed. They didn't get nearly the attention that New Orleans did but I always thought the devastation there was far worse.

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Yep, and with Katrina weakening from Cat 5 to Cat 3 before landfall the wind field expanded which increased the length of shoreline to get a storm surge. Dauphin Island and maybe Fort Morgan in Alabama had damage from the surge.

Katrina stayed at hurricane strength until 150 miles inland

Spent 45 min today working on my generator. Over 220 hr on it and almost all of that was from the last 2 storms. Changed the oil and filter and put in a new air filter. I probably need to check and replace the spark plugs but couldn't find any locally so had to order some.

I feel like this will be another 5+ day outage. All of the traffic lights around me are working except for the one closest to my house. People other side of the street have power, people 1 street down have power. The high rise apartments and company building have power. But my little pocket of houses will go days on end.

We are fortunate to have the generator to keep the family comfortable but it is frustrating to see all of the surrounding areas get back up while being skipped over.