I'm aware. But there are buried lines throughout the city. Downtown isn't closed because there isn't power. It because glass is everywhere still.
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Just curious, where, besides River Oaks?Bondag said:
I'm aware. But there are buried lines throughout the city. Downtown isn't closed because there isn't power. It because glass is everywhere still.
Really hope my boss gets his power back by June or July.
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I had my service line buried when I rebuilt my garage almost 9 years ago. It was $2500 to put it underground for 75-80 feet.
Project Gemini said:Just curious, where, besides River Oaks?Bondag said:
I'm aware. But there are buried lines throughout the city. Downtown isn't closed because there isn't power. It because glass is everywhere still.
Commercial properties have underground feeds. All of downtown is fed through the tunnels so that is a little cheaper.
It is definitely more expensive to do that way, but Centerpoint needs to either prune their lines better or have a large infrastructure project in select locations to bury. I don't k is where the break even point is.
Take it to the Centerpoint thread...Bondag said:Project Gemini said:Just curious, where, besides River Oaks?Bondag said:
I'm aware. But there are buried lines throughout the city. Downtown isn't closed because there isn't power. It because glass is everywhere still.
Commercial properties have underground feeds. All of downtown is fed through the tunnels so that is a little cheaper.
It is definitely more expensive to do that way, but Centerpoint needs to either prune their lines better or have a large infrastructure project in select locations to bury. I don't k is where the break even point is.
Service line isn't 3 phase primaryRyan the Temp said:
I had my service line buried when I rebuilt my garage almost 9 years ago. It was $2500 to put it underground for 75-80 feet.
There were tree tops and limbs being blown several yards away.
Pruning ain't gonna do shlt when Cat 2 winds are blowing entire trees over lines and mangling transmission towers.
Pruning ain't gonna do shlt when Cat 2 winds are blowing entire trees over lines and mangling transmission towers.
Sorry. I should have been more technically specific. My meter is on the back of the garage. The service line drops to the meter and the 3 phase primary runs underground to the panel on the house.redag06 said:Service line isn't 3 phase primaryRyan the Temp said:
I had my service line buried when I rebuilt my garage almost 9 years ago. It was $2500 to put it underground for 75-80 feet.
Ag_07 said:
There were tree tops and limbs being blown several yards away.
Pruning ain't gonna do shlt when Cat 2 winds are blowing entire trees over lines and mangling transmission towers.
Or when tornadoes come through and bowl over 345KV lines.
You have 3 phase service?Ryan the Temp said:Sorry. I should have been more technically specific. My meter is on the back of the garage. The service line drops to the meter and the 3 phase primary runs underground to the panel on the house.redag06 said:Service line isn't 3 phase primaryRyan the Temp said:
I had my service line buried when I rebuilt my garage almost 9 years ago. It was $2500 to put it underground for 75-80 feet.
That still isn't the same. The cost I'm talking about are the wires that run to the transformers(distribution)Ryan the Temp said:Sorry. I should have been more technically specific. My meter is on the back of the garage. The service line drops to the meter and the 3 phase primary runs underground to the panel on the house.redag06 said:Service line isn't 3 phase primaryRyan the Temp said:
I had my service line buried when I rebuilt my garage almost 9 years ago. It was $2500 to put it underground for 75-80 feet.
I think you are misunderstood. I highly doubt you have 3 phase service to your home.
Well I'm not an electrician. I have three cables running from my meter to the panel.
So they don't run "throughout" the city as you suggest, just in specific places and downtown. That's what I thought, just wanted to be sure I wasn't missing something.Bondag said:Project Gemini said:Just curious, where, besides River Oaks?Bondag said:
I'm aware. But there are buried lines throughout the city. Downtown isn't closed because there isn't power. It because glass is everywhere still.
Commercial properties have underground feeds. All of downtown is fed through the tunnels so that is a little cheaper.
It is definitely more expensive to do that way, but Centerpoint needs to either prune their lines better or have a large infrastructure project in select locations to bury. I don't k is where the break even point is.
Just specific places like downtown, the medical center, etc.
And just so y'all know, them being buried amongst a spiderweb of other utilities makes it a complete pain in the ass and more expensive to work around, expand, or renovate in those areas. Large parts of the medical center have no idea exactly what underground utilities are where and requires multiple technologies to map. Then a little praying you don't cut electrical or puncture a gas line.
Every time a renovation happens or a new building or utility upgrades happen lines are added or abandoned or both. It's like digging in a minefield.
So for those playing at home and don't have experience in utilities, stop suggesting they just bury the lines. Costs aside, it doesn't work like you think and creates as many problems as it solves. If trees can impact the lines above ground, they can do so below ground as well. Except it's much harder and longer to diagnose, locate, and repair.
And just so y'all know, them being buried amongst a spiderweb of other utilities makes it a complete pain in the ass and more expensive to work around, expand, or renovate in those areas. Large parts of the medical center have no idea exactly what underground utilities are where and requires multiple technologies to map. Then a little praying you don't cut electrical or puncture a gas line.
Every time a renovation happens or a new building or utility upgrades happen lines are added or abandoned or both. It's like digging in a minefield.
So for those playing at home and don't have experience in utilities, stop suggesting they just bury the lines. Costs aside, it doesn't work like you think and creates as many problems as it solves. If trees can impact the lines above ground, they can do so below ground as well. Except it's much harder and longer to diagnose, locate, and repair.
I do know in Ike, my apartment lost power and when they restored it, the underground lines had water in them and that shorted them out and it took 10 more days to fix that problem. Underground lines aren't infallible.
- Here are some good reasons that only the brain dead thinks it is a good ideal to bury electrical lines
- More expensive to build and repair.
- Fed by overhead lines. At some point, all underground power lines are connected to overhead lines, which makes them vulnerable to outages.
- Susceptible to flooding.
- Difficult to locate faults.
- Limitations on voltages that can be buried underground.
- Can be vulnerable to dig-ins.
buddybee said:
- Here are some good reasons that only the brain dead thinks it is a good ideal to bury electrical lines
- More expensive to build and repair.
- Fed by overhead lines. At some point, all underground power lines are connected to overhead lines, which makes them vulnerable to outages.
- Susceptible to flooding.
- Difficult to locate faults.
- Limitations on voltages that can be buried underground.
- Can be vulnerable to dig-ins.
As one of the brain dead that has installed miles of it there are benefits but it is not one size fits all.
I also think that people should not plant trees with 50' of a power line or house. Tree lines streets look great until they fall on your car or your house. Missed a tree last week by about 5'. That same tree has grown into my neighbors main water line and had ti be repaired a few years ago and is also rendering that portion of sidewalk unusable.
You do remember where we live, right?Quote:
I also think that people should not plant trees with 50' of a power line or house.
Yeah that is impossible. Houston would have zero trees then considering how small lots are for most neighborhoods here. And we live in a swamp where everything seems to grow.
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I also think that people should not plant trees with 50' of a power line or house.
CDUB98 said:You do remember where we live, right?Quote:
I also think that people should not plant trees with 50' of a power line or house.
Wait until he looks at a map and sees the average residential lot dimensions.
You have single phase service. You would have 4 wires if you had 3 phase.Ryan the Temp said:
Well I'm not an electrician. I have three cables running from my meter to the panel.
And it's beside the point. The cost of burying service cable (the one from your meter to your panel) is a lot less than distribution line.
AgLA06 said:CDUB98 said:You do remember where we live, right?Quote:
I also think that people should not plant trees with 50' of a power line or house.
Wait until he looks at a map and sees the average residential lot dimensions.
I'm aware. Doesn't change my stance.
That would transform Houston into the ugliest parts of west Texas but with humidity and mosquitos.Bondag said:AgLA06 said:CDUB98 said:You do remember where we live, right?Quote:
I also think that people should not plant trees with 50' of a power line or house.
Wait until he looks at a map and sees the average residential lot dimensions.
I'm aware. Doesn't change my stance.
Ag_07 said:
By no means am I anti suburb, but that looks like hell on earth.
Try our new development Yonder. We were featured in the film VivariumSea Speed said:Ag_07 said:
By no means am I anti suburb, but that looks like hell on earth.
Which was the point of my post.Martin Q. Blank said:
The cost of burying service cable (the one from your meter to your panel) is a lot less than distribution line.
Bruh...There's trees right there within 50' of that street light.
That'll never fly.
That'll never fly.
Ag_07 said:
In the high school halls
In the shopping malls
In 2024, I don't see why those engineers who are supposedly soooooooo smart haven't figured out a cost effective way to make water proof, root proof underground power conduit systems. We sent men to the moon 55 years ago but have not solved this most basic human need.
The cost-effective aspect is what's prohibitive. I'm not sure there will ever be cheap way to bury protected lines in the ground.
CenterPoint asking for $100 million to cover having to fix their jacked up grid.
I guess I do need to correct myself..it is good to be CenterPoint...Do minimal upgrades, wait for big storms to cause damage, and then bill everyone.
That "actuarial" math is pretty good.
I guess I do need to correct myself..it is good to be CenterPoint...Do minimal upgrades, wait for big storms to cause damage, and then bill everyone.
That "actuarial" math is pretty good.
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