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cap-n-jack
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Dude it's on camera, he stuffs his hand in the cash register. Employee charged with murder of suspected shoplifter. Suspected? How are you ever going to stop this?
https://abc13.com/
Mikeyshooter
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Takes a genius to steal money from a gun store
MelvinUdall
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A murder charge seems a little harsh, but this is expected from DA's in Houston. Had this been the reverse, it would have been manslaughter.
Diggity
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Video wasn't a good look for shooter.

Not a shocking charge.
randy828
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I have no problem with the video at all. SOB stole from him, he shot him to stop him from stealing his property.

It's the pos judges we have in this county that will have a problem with the video. And Evan's mamma.
Diggity
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you may have a problem with the laws in place though.
ccolley68
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Diggity said:

Video wasn't a good look for shooter.

Not a shocking charge.


Yeah, gotta agree on that one. I mean, I from a personal level fully support the thief meeting his demise for his thieving ways, but looking at it from a legality standpoint, the fact that no one was at the register and they chased him outside and shot him the back running away with no prior physical altercation means this guy is going to get the raw end of this deal.

Isn't that store in Stafford though? Is that Ft Bend County? Maybe he'll get a better deal there.
I Am A Critic
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It's barely in Harris County by matter of yards. Trigger happy dip**** gonna pay, either civilly or criminally or both.
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Ciboag96
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You are by law allowed to shoot someone in possession of your stolen goods. Had a cop ask me why I didn't shoot someone I had the drop on who stole some stuff from me. Told him a life wasn't worth a few hundred bucks, even a career criminal. But it is legal nonetheless.

Diggity
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looks like the employee would have been ok if this had happened at night.

Quote:

  • prevent:
    • arson,
    • burglary,
    • robbery and aggravated robbery,
    • theft at night, or
    • criminal mischief during nighttime;

Dimebag Darrell
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Yet you can legally swiss cheese a dude just digging through your car at night. The laws are all over the place.

But even in an open and shut self defense case nowadays, in Houston and any other trashy wayward blue city, you have to worry about activist judges and slack jawed brainwashed jurors who hate you and everything you stand for taking you down....with a case like this, damn sure they are going to try to ruin you and your family forever. Many of these sick libs worship that violent POS thug who liked to rob pregnant women at gunpoint and OD'd on enough fent to kill a small village (George Floyd)...but they hate people like most of us here.

Defend yourself and your property wisely. Or just get TF out of these violent rotting cities.
Ciboag96
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Diggity said:

looks like the employee would have been ok if this had happened at night.

Quote:

  • prevent:
    • arson,
    • burglary,
    • robbery and aggravated robbery,
    • theft at night, or
    • criminal mischief during nighttime;


Yeah, it was at night. Thanks for the clarification.
Kenneth_2003
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I thought there was also reference in the law for property you have no reasonable belief of recovery

Dude stole a fist full of cash. You're not getting that back.
Diggity
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looks like the "reasonable recovery" provision is in addition to the other provisions I referenced above.

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Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:

(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and

(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.


BMX Bandit
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Yeah, it was at night.


Wasn't it at 3 in the afternoon?
WestHoustonAg79
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I get where the gun enthusiast are coming from with their posts. But common sense and understanding of the last 10 years in Harris County (or greater Houston for that matter) has shown time and time again that these situations are NEVER worth it unless your life is on the line.

If you don't think that guy is regretting his actions (whether he feels justified or not, that is not the issue here) while sitting in jail waiting to get bailed out and thinking out how the rest of his life will be altered, you are dead wrong.

Just not worth it. Is the system bunk? Of course, but not worth definitively changing the trajectory of your life here imo. Maybe its just me, but I'd let him take me for my money and fight hard with the cops to get camera intel etc to get the perp for his crimes. not shoot him.
BrazosDog02
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Watching the video, the employee is going to jail. The catch here is that the suspect is fleeing. The crime is committed. It's over. The cash is stolen. It's gone. Had he shot him to PREVENT the theft we could make a case for the "no other means of recovery" case. This is pretty straightforward and clear. Everyone that's ever been to their LTC class has covered this exact situation.

Not a legal shoot. Dudes going to the pokie.

This is a great example of how you can do the right thing for society but the wrong thing legally.

That employee isn't a cop probably. Moreover, why someone would take a life over an employers money is beyond me. There isn't a planet on this universe where I'm sticking my neck out over a company to save their goods. They are insured. They can hash that out. Employees aren't paid enough for that. Plus, having been in Carters country more than a few times since I grew up in the area, those guys are barely competent in the firearms they are actually trying to sell, I'm not going to joke they know the law.

How much money is Carters Country putting up to help this dude out now?
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