Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ercot.com)

The latest graph on the website projects the demand to exceed the supply this afternoon... this could be bad.

Better hope the winds in west Texas keep blowing

https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/texas/ercot-asking-texas-residents-businesses-conserve-power-monday-extreme-heat/287-d5e30072-f35e-45d7-9355-2b9b5b4787c4

Live power grid conditions: ERCOT asks Texans to conserve electricity Monday

The operator of the Texas electric grid issued an appeal for energy conservation on Monday from 2 p.m. to 8 p.m.

Most likely is that as wholesale price increases large users find ways to curtail.

Example... Family friend works in a steel mill and they will not start a melt when the wholesale price is above a certain threshold. I'm sure it's similar in other large industrial settings.

ERCOT can EAD.

Looks like today may be the day to break in the generator...

By all means, let's keep the southern flood gate of people wide open, and keep watching people legally move to Texas without building any new reliable capacity. As a bonus, let's keep pushing EV's while we can't keep people cool.

Is there anything stopping a company from building and operating a new natural gas power plant or is it just not as profitable investment as it used to be? its not like the state is going to build a plant themselves.

Head Ninja In Charge said:

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ERCOT can EAD.

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By all means blame ERCOT for the heavy subsidies given to wind and solar, which are able to operate at a profit even when the price goes negative. Why even build a new natural gas or coal plant when the EPA puts such onerous regulations on them that they can't turn a profit.

By the way, look what's projected to drop off most in production just when we need it most today...wind

cajunaggie08 said:

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Is there anything stopping a company from building and operating a new natural gas power plant or is it just not as profitable investment as it used to be? its not like the state is going to build a plant themselves.

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I was in the power industry at one time and still have friends in the industry. As I said above, there have been regulatory barriers put in place (especially lately) such that there's no financial incentive to build a new fossil fuel plant. Same as building a new refinery. You won't make your money back.

Blame ERCOT all you want. Put who you want on the ERCOT board. We have a much bigger problem than that.

cajunaggie08 said:

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Is there anything stopping a company from building and operating a new natural gas power plant or is it just not as profitable investment as it used to be? its not like the state is going to build a plant themselves.

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Money. Nobody is going to spend capital to then turn around and operate at a loss. We can thank the Feds for that mess.

Sly's tweet last night:

I have asked all City departments to prepare in case the state’s power grid fails during extreme heat tomorrow. @HoustonOEM, @houstonpolice, @HoustonFire, and other departments are checking fuel and operational generators. #txwx #txlege pic.twitter.com/DErG8Hlmeh

— Sylvester Turner (@SylvesterTurner) July 11, 2022

Cromagnum said:

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cajunaggie08 said:

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Is there anything stopping a company from building and operating a new natural gas power plant or is it just not as profitable investment as it used to be? its not like the state is going to build a plant themselves.

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Money. Nobody is going to spend capital to then turn around and operate at a loss. We can thank the Feds for that mess.

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I don't see the EPA changing their stance long enough for companies to buy in even if there is a republican in the white house for a term or two. We could treat energy as a utility that the public needs and the state buys a plant to be built and pays a company to operate it. It wouldn't be the biggest waste of tax dollars any of us have seen. Or we could just join the grid to our east so that we could be protected from localized energy spike events every 6-18 months. or option 3 where its every man for himself and if you don't have a generator then thats on you for not planning ahead.

spadilly said:

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Sly's tweet last night:

I have asked all City departments to prepare in case the state’s power grid fails during extreme heat tomorrow. @HoustonOEM, @houstonpolice, @HoustonFire, and other departments are checking fuel and operational generators. #txwx #txlege pic.twitter.com/DErG8Hlmeh

— Sylvester Turner (@SylvesterTurner) July 11, 2022

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Good to see he made that tweet as absolutely terrifying as he possibly could. Useless fear salesman.

Kenneth_2003 said:

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spadilly said:

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Sly's tweet last night:

I have asked all City departments to prepare in case the state’s power grid fails during extreme heat tomorrow. @HoustonOEM, @houstonpolice, @HoustonFire, and other departments are checking fuel and operational generators. #txwx #txlege pic.twitter.com/DErG8Hlmeh

— Sylvester Turner (@SylvesterTurner) July 11, 2022

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Good to see he made that tweet as absolutely terrifying as he possibly could. Useless fear salesman.

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They ought to let some of these *******s take over ERCOT. We'd be really screwed then.

spadilly said:

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Sly's tweet last night:

I have asked all City departments to prepare in case the state’s power grid fails during extreme heat tomorrow. @HoustonOEM, @houstonpolice, @HoustonFire, and other departments are checking fuel and operational generators. #txwx #txlege pic.twitter.com/DErG8Hlmeh

— Sylvester Turner (@SylvesterTurner) July 11, 2022

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tryna cheeeel the heat

By the way, the wind forecast looks much better for tomorrow. Yay for depending on renewables.

btw it looks like we are gonna make it today.....

BohunkAg said:

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btw it looks like we are gonna make it today.....

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Good. But I just opened my AC app and lowered it to 68 so it's nice and cool just in case we do lose power for a little while.

htxag09 said:

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BohunkAg said:

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btw it looks like we are gonna make it today.....

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Good. But I just opened my AC app and lowered it to 68 so it's nice and cool just in case we do lose power for a little while.

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Just thinking about the concerned white liberal females sitting in their cat-ridden Heights homes at 85F, breathing and re-breathing their hot, moist, cat-litter-infused KN95 mask air, to help all us poor folks out, makes me smile….

Ciboag96 said:

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Just thinking about the concerned white liberal females sitting in their cat-ridden Heights homes at 85, breathing and re-breathing their hot, moist, cat-litter-infused KN95 mask air, to help all us poor folks out, makes me smile….

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I got a call with an auto-message from
CenterPoint around 2:30 today stating they were going to cut my power in 30-45min.

Thought it was strange (but nice) they'd provide notice like that.

Checked with my neighbors and they didn't get the same; rather just a "conservation" notice.

I think they sent me the wrong message because I still have power.

Jdrexgman said:

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I got a call with an auto-message from
CenterPoint around 2:30 today stating they were going to cut my power in 30-45min.

Thought it was strange (but nice) they'd provide notice like that.

Checked with my neighbors and they didn't get the same; rather just a "conservation" notice.

I think they sent me the wrong message because I still have power.

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Those are Indian scammers. They try and get a $400 gift card out of you. I answered because the caller ID actually said Centerpoint but when I asked the dude to tell me my account number he hung up the phone. Watched too many Youtube videos on this to fall for it but I wanted to string the guy along as long as possible.

Jdrexgman said:

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I got a call with an auto-message from
CenterPoint around 2:30 today stating they were going to cut my power in 30-45min.

Thought it was strange (but nice) they'd provide notice like that.

Checked with my neighbors and they didn't get the same; rather just a "conservation" notice.

I think they sent me the wrong message because I still have power.

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I got the same call. And talked to some dude for a little bit then figured it had to be a scam since I've never missed a payment.

BohunkAg said:

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Hmm when I squint my eyes I see two people...

Oh never mind.

Did everyone survive ERCOTPALYPSE 2022?

I've had a few power flickers earlier in the Summer, but surviving today so far.

Tempted to go check out r/houston for some outrage and rending of garments.

Ciboag96 said:

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Just thinking about the concerned white liberal females sitting in their cat-ridden Heights homes at 85F, breathing and re-breathing their hot, moist, cat-litter-infused KN95 mask air, to help all us poor folks out, makes me smile….

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At least one of them could afford to get a Generac with the money Dora's minions funneled to her (allegedly).

spadilly said:

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Sly's tweet last night:

I have asked all City departments to prepare in case the state’s power grid fails during extreme heat tomorrow. @HoustonOEM, @houstonpolice, @HoustonFire, and other departments are checking fuel and operational generators. #txwx #txlege pic.twitter.com/DErG8Hlmeh

— Sylvester Turner (@SylvesterTurner) July 11, 2022

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What a moron. Generator fuel levels are checked regularly and especially before hurricane season.

cajunaggie08 said:

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Cromagnum said:

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cajunaggie08 said:

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Is there anything stopping a company from building and operating a new natural gas power plant or is it just not as profitable investment as it used to be? its not like the state is going to build a plant themselves.

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Money. Nobody is going to spend capital to then turn around and operate at a loss. We can thank the Feds for that mess.

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I don't see the EPA changing their stance long enough for companies to buy in even if there is a republican in the white house for a term or two. We could treat energy as a utility that the public needs and the state buys a plant to be built and pays a company to operate it. It wouldn't be the biggest waste of tax dollars any of us have seen. Or we could just join the grid to our east so that we could be protected from localized energy spike events every 6-18 months. or option 3 where its every man for himself and if you don't have a generator then thats on you for not planning ahead.

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In theory, I'm a fan of electricity as a state utility. That's the only way we're going to get more plants and the improvements to infrastructure needed to keep up with growing demand. But then I wonder what the electric utility equivalent of bike lanes on 11th Street is.

Going back to generators...heres a Prime Day deal on a 12,000 Watt Genny:

https://smile.amazon.com/DuroMax-XP12000EH-000-Watt-Portable-Generator/dp/B01M0N8256?ref_=Oct_DLandingS_D_1da210f1_60&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

atmtws said:

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Going back to generators...heres a Prime Day deal on a 12,000 Watt Genny:

https://smile.amazon.com/DuroMax-XP12000EH-000-Watt-Portable-Generator/dp/B01M0N8256?ref_=Oct_DLandingS_D_1da210f1_60&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

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That looks to be the same one this guy used to create a generator setup that powered his house for 2 straight days during the freeze here in Houston:



I'm looking to do the same thing so I might pick that generator up. He said it cost him around $2,500 for all the extra pieces he lists as well as hiring a plumber to tie it into the natural gas line and also an electrician.

What's the THD?

BBRex said:

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cajunaggie08 said:

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Cromagnum said:

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cajunaggie08 said:

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Is there anything stopping a company from building and operating a new natural gas power plant or is it just not as profitable investment as it used to be? its not like the state is going to build a plant themselves.

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Money. Nobody is going to spend capital to then turn around and operate at a loss. We can thank the Feds for that mess.

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I don't see the EPA changing their stance long enough for companies to buy in even if there is a republican in the white house for a term or two. We could treat energy as a utility that the public needs and the state buys a plant to be built and pays a company to operate it. It wouldn't be the biggest waste of tax dollars any of us have seen. Or we could just join the grid to our east so that we could be protected from localized energy spike events every 6-18 months. or option 3 where its every man for himself and if you don't have a generator then thats on you for not planning ahead.

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In theory, I'm a fan of electricity as a state utility. That's the only way we're going to get more plants and the improvements to infrastructure needed to keep up with growing demand. But then I wonder what the electric utility equivalent of bike lanes on 11th Street is.

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Shacking up with Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama doesn't seem like a real good idea. I somehow don't see them pulling their weight in the long run.

Wind is gonna screw us again today.