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1:36p, 1/11/21
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Yea, I'm up to 20-30 that I personally know at this point. Only 2 of those had any kind of serious issues, but I'm in my mid 30s, so that makes sense statistically.

If you don't know anyone who has had it, I'm assuming you live outside any major city.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 1:36p, 1/11/21
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

I know exactly zero people (first-hand) in ten-months that have gotten the lung aids, but can rattle off a dozen celebrities that claim to have had corvid or died from it.
Not calling you a liar but this seems impossible at this point. You must not interact with very many people.
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1:40p, 1/11/21
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FWIW

I only know five people firsthand who have had the lung aids.

1 - 100% asymptomatic
2 - extremely mild symptoms for one or two days, though one continues to have taste issues
2 - laid up in bed for a couple of weeks and took a couple of months to recover

Thankfully, no family member have had it as they would likely keel over.

It's very odd how this virus affects different people.
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In reply to aTm2004 • 1:44p, 1/11/21
aTm2004 said:
chimpanzee said:
Tabasco said:
TarponChaser said:
Some excellent stuff from Rogan to counter a lot of the craziness with some facts: Alex Berenson on Joe Rogan Experience


What's the gist of that podcast. It's from a journalist, nod an MD, so just want a sentence or two on the content if you don't mind.
Berenson has been contrarian on COVID coverage from the get go. He has questioned a lot of the wisdom of lockdowns, masks, school closures, heterogeneous risk, etc.

If you got all of your coverage from CNN or local news, you would never see the facts framed as he does. I'm not always a fan of his style, but he has many points about the political nature of the response that are very compelling.

This is a pretty good summary. I'm about half way through the podcast now and really like the points he's making.

He's looking at it as a journalist rather than an expert. He's looked at the data around the age distribution of cases and deaths, and whether or not the shut downs are warranted. Discussed school closures as well as the initial response to COVD, and how the government is taking the same steps now despite knowing a lot more about it. Talked about the effectiveness of masks (N95 work, others...) and how the only real study that was completed in Norway (IIRC), concluded it was not effective. He also touched on ICU capacity and how CA had temp hospitals set up during the flu season in 2017, yet they didn't shut down.

The one thing they're discussing that I find interesting is about the vaccine. He's gone into the percentages of the effectiveness and compared that to natural immunity, and the incentives to get everyone vaccinated vs. only those most at risk (older population). He stated the drug companies have made billions off of this and were given immunity from the government, thus if there are major side effects, you can't sue. He stated he covered the pharmaceutical companies when he was at the NYT and many of the side effects are public, but some of the major ones are only brought to light during discovery, which there will not be for this vaccine.

He did state all of the info he's gathered is public.


Exactly.

He really gets into how the media has really gone off the deep end with the fear porn and stifled anything which doesn't fall in line with that narrative. They delve into the virtue signaling of people who have lost their minds and gone full coronabro/coronakaren, etc. Excellent data on vaccine side effects and so forth.

Regarding the number of people who have had it, I personally knew just a handful until recently when the numbers really jumped up. Like from maybe 4-5 people total to at least 30 or so since just before Thanksgiving. And the only one who dealt with it for a while was a lady, who while in her mid-40's & healthy, also sat at home with a 100-degree fever and cough for a week before seeking medical care. She actually got it while in the hospital- she had to have surgery for a pinched nerve in her neck back in April. Tested negative before surgery and then got sick about 5 days post-op after having been in the hospital for 2 and then home resting for 3. I even know 3 people who would qualify as elderly (woman in her 90s, her daughter & son-in-law in their 70's- parents & grandmother of a friend) and all of them recovered just fine. In fact, ever other person but the one lady I mentioned recovered fully in less than 72 hours.
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1:45p, 1/11/21
I know quite a few who have had it.

I'm only aware of one who had to be hospitalized and she's in her 30s.

The ones who are older that have had it were all fine.

I just found out my youngest sons teacher has it and was around him last Monday. Only reason she thought something was wrong was she lost her sense of smell, but had no other symptoms.
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1:59p, 1/11/21
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I can count on 1 hand the number of people in my circle who have had it, including myself.
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2:14p, 1/11/21
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All of my immediate family has had it. One person (mid 60s) said it felt like a sinus infection and a few (all ages) lost sense of smell and/or taste. Otherwise, no serious issues.
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In reply to Diggity • 2:16p, 1/11/21
Damn, now y'all got me feeling guilty bout my corvid privilege.
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In reply to TarponChaser • 2:17p, 1/11/21
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Still listening to it in between calls, and they're bringing up a good point...many people haven't evolved from their original knowledge of the virus, and are still looking at it like they were when things began shutting down. They're not researching the data to see it's not going to kill everyone who gets it, and the media is continually pushing the fear and they're eating it up.

As far as knowing people who have had it, I know quite a few, including my mom. My cousin has it currently and he got it from work (fireman and reservist). My daughter's friend's parents just got over it, and her dad is a fireman as well, and passed it onto his wife. The only symptom between the 2 of them was him losing his taste, which prompted them to get tested. He got his taste back in 3 days. I spoke to my cousin on Saturday since they were supposed to come over for dinner, and he's laying in a bed in their guest room binging TV shows and bored out of his mind. He told me he's felt worse after eating Thanksgiving dinner. I think he was at day 6 of quarantine. He only got tested because of contact tracing at work.

The only person who it really put on their ass was my step-dad, who is 67 (IIRC) and a diabetic. I posted about his situation a few pages back. He's fine now.

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Just spoke with my cousin to ask if he was dead yet. He told me his wife and kids are not at home right now, so he's down in the garage lifting weights.
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2:20p, 1/11/21
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My count is around a dozen friends / family who have had it. Most mild symptoms, a few had moderate symptoms, one (30s male) was in ICU for a couple of weeks, nearly intubated, still on oxygen at home weeks later. One older (70s male) family member started experiencing "brain fog" in Apr. and hasn't recovered, decreasing his quality of life significantly.
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2:33p, 1/11/21
I know several dozen that have had it. Two dead (both were in hospital for other issues during contracting...attempted suicide and heart attack.)


My mother-in-law tested positive for antibodies last spring and positive about two weeks ago. Apparently she is good at getting a positive test! She is the only one with more than mild symptoms outside of dying.

Everyone else was a cold or no symptoms.


I continuing living my life ... and continue wondering why we needed to stop life for ... regular life.
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2:49p, 1/11/21
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I'd be shocked if I haven't already caught it. But I'm Type O so I'm superhuman.
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In reply to aTm2004 • 2:57p, 1/11/21
aTm2004 said:
Still listening to it in between calls, and they're bringing up a good point...many people haven't evolved from their original knowledge of the virus, and are still looking at it like they were when things began shutting down. They're not researching the data to see it's not going to kill everyone who gets it, and the media is continually pushing the fear and they're eating it up.

This is what is absolutely astounding to me- the way people seem to be begging for the absolute worst-case scenario. Maybe they're seeing that this isn't as bad as they were told and are trying to rationalize the response. I just cannot comprehend this doomsday mentality.

One thing Rogan says in this podcast is how he initially thought this would be like the Black Plague in medieval times. Remember that estimates are the Plague killed 30-60% of the population in Europe and something like 22% of the global population over about a 7-year period. He had some highly regarded epidemiologist on his show back in March and that guy said covid would kill like 2MM in the US alone, even with mitigation efforts. Only now Rogan (and reasonable, rational people) see this as something serious but orders of magnitude less than we were told.

I think I posted about it previously but when my wife and I had it the overly solicitous behavior of family drove me nuts. It was like they were completely amazed and couldn't comprehend that it wasn't a big deal. It almost felt like they wanted us to be sicker because we'd be out living our lives responsibly while they'd been virtual hermits and wanted to say "I told you so."
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3:02p, 1/11/21
It's plenty bad, so people just transfer their fear of a plague over to the fear of what is there and feel the need to do something.

Never mind if it does you any good.
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3:58p, 1/11/21
Some CDC data...



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Oops!
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My mom keeps telling people (and posting on FB) that my step-dad almost died from COVID. No...no he didn't. He developed pneumonia, which put him in the hospital, and the hospital didn't treat the pneumonia. The said his O2 was where it needed to be and sent him home. When they finally treated the pneumonia after he was back in the hospital (and literally giving my mom a stroke from fighting with the hospital to keep him in and be treated), he improved in a couple of days and was fine.
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In reply to rhoswen • 5:15p, 1/11/21
rhoswen said:
I'd be shocked if I haven't already caught it. But I'm Type O so I'm superhuman.
Also a type O'er. Surprised we never here more about the data that shows type O is less susceptible to affects of corvid. After all, type O is the most common blood type.

I'd like to see the CDC numbers for just type O people which is roughly 45% of the population. My guess is that if you are type O your risk of death from covid has got to be far less than 0.2%
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 5:54p, 1/11/21
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
rhoswen said:
I'd be shocked if I haven't already caught it. But I'm Type O so I'm superhuman.
Also a type O'er. Surprised we never here more about the data that shows type O is less susceptible to affects of corvid. After all, type O is the most common blood type.

I'd like to see the CDC numbers for just type O people which is roughly 45% of the population. My guess is that if you are type O your risk of death from covid has got to be far less than 0.2%


My wife, boys, and I are all type O.
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6:21p, 1/11/21
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I'd also like to see if - and + vary. I'm neg. I've had two fevers in my adult life (anything registering above 98*) and I don't *think* I've ever had the flu because I've never been tested. I get head colds once or twice a year, but that's it.

Edit: incidentally, I haven't even had a head cold in almost 2 years.
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In reply to rhoswen • 6:29p, 1/11/21
rhoswen said:
I'd also like to see if - and + vary. I'm neg. I've had two fevers in my adult life (anything registering above 98*) and I don't *think* I've ever had the flu because I've never been tested. I get head colds once or twice a year, but that's it.

Edit: incidentally, I haven't even had a head cold in almost 2 years.


aside from catching a stomach virus from my kid once and having the flu in 2003 and my freshman year in college (95/96) I can't recall being sick since high school
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6:50p, 1/11/21
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I'll play along. I just recovered and and tell my tale. I'm 56 in very good health. I train six days a week and would put me in the top ten as far as general health goes in my age group. I think that is what saved me.

My first symptoms were Xmas day. Aches and soreness like I had been doing two a days in high school. That lasted 1 day and some general soreness a couple days after. Bothersome as my left arm hurt and that worried a little. 3 days in the fever started and complete loss of appetite. The fatigue was much worse than any flu I ever had. Fatigue so bad you had to convince yourself to lift your arm to get a drink of water. Was it really worth moving to fix the dry mouth? That kind of fatigue. I'm in shape and lost 15 pounds in a little over a week. My worst day was a week ago Monday. I collapsed in the shower and couldn't catch my breath. That was really scary and I assume now my blood sugar was critical and hydration was probably an issue as well. I had no congestion or junk in my lungs. I watched my o2 levels go from 98 to 90 over the next 4 days. Lungs simply didn't absorb the o2. Luckily it started back up quickly and averaged 92-94 until last Friday. The o2 was the biggest surprise as I didn't have any lung symptoms. By last Friday I was much better(very weak) but well enough to leave the house and make a 3 hour appearance at the office. I took Ivermectin and have no idea if it helped. I was pretty sick. Maybe I would have been worse without it?

I'm type O +, so don't believe that mess. My wife also had it and had sniffles and a dry cough for a week and that was it. The fatigue didn't take her down like me.

I've been pretty sick with flu in the past that caused some bad lung infection but it never took a 15 pound chunk out of me and it never took me so far down.

Obviously I have a new respect for it and I hope you all do as well. Hopefully I can hit the pavement and the pool in the next couple days and start getting some of that muscle mass back!

You don't want it. Take it serious.

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I'm A and, as I shared previously, had a stuffy nose for a few days and lost taste and smell. No fever, cough, aches, or fatigue. There are always exceptions (which is probably why doctors aren't promoting the blood type theory).

I chalk it up to a very strong immune system. I've only had the flu twice in 42 years. Can't remember the last time before this that I had a cold. Colorado Tick Fever knocked me down for a few days summer before last, but that's a pretty rare virus.
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7:39p, 1/11/21
Weird that the only people I know of who had a tough time with it, including hospitalizations and deaths, are male. But the one family member (male) who has pretty much every comorbidity possible only had mild symptoms. Truly bizarre.
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In reply to Build It • 10:05a, 1/12/21
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Are you back to training? If so, what percentage do you feel like you're back?

I'm a distance runner and have heard from folks that are pretty strong runners that say they can't run 3 miles now a month later.
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It took me a good 6 weeks to get my cardiovascular fitness to pre-COVID levels. The first few weeks post symptoms (I had fever for 14 straight days) exercising was a non-starter. After that I slowly built up and feel 100% now but it took some time.

Those people with the long haul problems from COVID are very concerning and I am glad to not have the long term effects.
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In reply to JYDog90 • 10:33a, 1/12/21
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I think yesterday or today would have been my best days to start back. I haven't attempted anything yet. Sunday I was still too weak. I plan on a really easy spin this evening as my first foray back. Hoping a couple miles tomorrow and the pool on Thursday.
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10:45a, 1/12/21
Dang Build It, that's rough.

I've had plenty of folks I've know get it, all over the place on severity with very little rhyme or reason. A couple of friends older parents caught it and died, one in LTC another was diabetic (I think).
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In reply to Build It • 10:51a, 1/12/21
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What was your bodyweight before you got Covid? I don't mean it as a way to undermine your story, I'm honestly curious. The "works out 5-6 days a week" doesn't always resonate with me. Five years ago I was doing CrossFit 5-6 days a week, but I was still a 300lb tub of goo because I ate and drank like an ******* all the time.

Glad you're over it and on the mend.
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In reply to chimpanzee • 10:54a, 1/12/21
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It's a strange one. Whole family had it and no problem for the rest of them. It seems really random on who it likes and who it doesn't. I'm ready to get back to training though. I ran a quick four miles on Christmas Eve then whammy on Christmas. So this is day 18 since last workout.
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In reply to Ramrod • 10:57a, 1/12/21
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Ramrod, I was 220 when I got it. 208.5 this morning so I've got a couple back. I would say 215 is my fighting weight. Trust me at 56 it's very hard to keep weight off. Exercise doesn't do it, I exercise to keep my heart and mind in shape. For weight I just have to eat like a teenage girl.
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