Texicurean said:

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My glory days were mid 80's. My gf at the time's best friends dad was member. I remember her taking us to the grill/snack bar and ordering us cheeseburgers and sandwiches and putting the tab on her dad's account. I had never heard of such a thing. It was like free food, lol.

That girls mom was a state representative. I don't know what her dad did but he had(or spent) a lot of money. That girl ended up being a fat, tatted up ol' lady to some biker dude. Her parents must have been proud the way she turned out.

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The kind of story that warms your heart.

Was Peggy Hamric the State Rep?

I support digging a giant hole in this whole area if it increases the amount of water that the cypress creek waterway can handle before epic flooding a la Harvey.

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HCFCD is negotiating with Longwood Golf Club also. I think they are only going to sell 9 of 27 holes though.

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Have you heard anymore about that? Have friends who live on that part of the course and crickets since that press release.

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Raveneaux is in Spring.

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KLEIN

And yes, the Next Door drama is good reading.

I live about 10 minutes from Raveneaux and drive by it everyday. A couple of things:

1) The place never looks crowded, yes people use it, but not an outrageous amount, even on holidays when you would expect the course to be packed it isn't. The swim team maybe has 100 kids (not 100 families, 100 kids total).

2) Parts of the course flood all the time when it rains hard for a few hours, Tax Day was bad, but no homes flooded. Harvey all the homes flooded across from Raveneaux except maybe one or two.

3) The people up in arms have never been to Kickerillo-Mischer Preserve in Vintage Park. It's a beautiful park with lots of trails, fishing, etc. Same people don't remember not long ago that whole area or a good portion was going to be sold and developed into apartments. Take the park, this is not what will hurt your property value.

https://communityimpact.com/houston/spring-klein/parks-recreation/2020/01/16/cagle-goal-of-raveneaux-acquisition-is-not-to-put-an-ugly-hole-in-the-ground/

JoeAggie5 said:

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I live about 10 minutes from Raveneaux and drive by it everyday. A couple of things:

1) The place never looks crowded, yes people use it, but not an outrageous amount, even on holidays when you would expect the course to be packed it isn't. The swim team maybe has 100 kids (not 100 families, 100 kids total).

2) Parts of the course flood all the time when it rains hard for a few hours, Tax Day was bad, but no homes flooded. Harvey all the homes flooded across from Raveneaux except maybe one or two.

3) The people up in arms have never been to Kickerillo-Mischer Preserve in Vintage Park. It's a beautiful park with lots of trails, fishing, etc. Same people don't remember not long ago that whole area or a good portion was going to be sold and developed into apartments. Take the park, this is not what will hurt your property value.

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The swim team has 140+ swimmers in a given summer. I'm the president of the Racers swim team. We had 15 new families join last year, which was very encouraging. The future is a bit uncertain, but the swim team has long been one of the very bright spots of both Raveneaux and the Champion Forest neighborhood.

After thinking it over I think this could potentially be a good plan.

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JoeAggie5 said:

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I live about 10 minutes from Raveneaux and drive by it everyday. A couple of things:

1) The place never looks crowded, yes people use it, but not an outrageous amount, even on holidays when you would expect the course to be packed it isn't. The swim team maybe has 100 kids (not 100 families, 100 kids total).

2) Parts of the course flood all the time when it rains hard for a few hours, Tax Day was bad, but no homes flooded. Harvey all the homes flooded across from Raveneaux except maybe one or two.

3) The people up in arms have never been to Kickerillo-Mischer Preserve in Vintage Park. It's a beautiful park with lots of trails, fishing, etc. Same people don't remember not long ago that whole area or a good portion was going to be sold and developed into apartments. Take the park, this is not what will hurt your property value.

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The swim team has 140+ swimmers in a given summer. I'm the president of the Racers swim team. We had 15 new families join last year, which was very encouraging. The future is a bit uncertain, but the swim team has long been one of the very bright spots of both Raveneaux and the Champion Forest neighborhood.

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Man,

Just looking at the picture of the flooding I can't imagine a walkable, nice park that also has enough retention capabilities to make a dent in the water.

If you look at clear lake's golf course turned retention pond and walking trail its sunken in, small areas that are 1/3rd filled with water for the pond look. It really doesn't hold back a huge amount of water (in Harvey scale terms) I can't see how for this project to be worth anything flood mitigation wise. That is unless they do exactly what they said they won't do - dig a massive hole in the ground to store as much water as possible.

This looks like a convenient 'out' for a struggling golf course to get this liability off of their books on the taxpayers dime.

Frok said:

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After thinking it over I think this could potentially be a good plan.

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Meant to respond to your reply with the above message.

Flood control is much better than apartments. Thank your lucky stars.

Take a look at exploration green in clear lake. The old golf course was vacant for many many years. What they've done is really nice for the community and raised the home values of some of the older homes in the area.

So they tell us that exploration green saved many homes from flooding in the last storm. Where did you hear it made no difference?

I live two blocks from phase one of exploration green and had no flooding during Harvey. , nor did anyone in the neighborhood (that I know of). It did get close but no flooding.

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It really doesn't hold back a huge amount of water (in Harvey scale terms)

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"It won't completely prevent the worst case scenario I can think of, so it's stupid." This is what I like to call "pouty logic," where everything is a scam and won't really do any good anyway.

Most recent parks are actually a part of flood control strategy and offsets. It's not that any one measure will stop ALL FLOODING FOREVER, but patchworks targeting problem areas make a huge difference for the people living close. Willow Waterhole park is a great example of that. Parts of Westbury flooded during Harvey, of course, but a lot didn't and their lot values went up relative to the troubled areas.

Smaller flooding events become much more manageable. There are parts of town that up into the 50's and 60's were flooded basically every time it rained. Those kind of small flood events are usually hardly noticeable now.

Also blows my mind that anyone actually claims parks bring down property values, but then I think of all the old folks I knew in the Champions area who truly believe they're a couple steps up from River Oaks.

"Pouty logic" That's great. Perfectly describes a lot of posters.

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It seems like Cypress folks are the equivalent to Bryan-College Station "townies."

No one single Houston-area 'burb elicits more b tching and moaning.

(FTR Kingwood may be a close second or third but that is just due to one vocal poster)

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Well its technically Kingwood is Houston and not "Houston-area" so Cypress in a landslide?

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How much water will this project divert into Kingwood to increase its flooding?

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All of it.

I loved swim team up there every summer. Leave practice and go walk 36 holes. Racers generally won every meet.

I'd like to think that I still hold a pool record or two, but I'm pretty sure my sister does (she returned to coach during college...years ago).

Overall, not what it was in the late 80's/early 90's. We all grew up and moved away, and it seemed like the neighborhood aged overnight. I'm sure this has shifted a bit again, but the neighborhood, Raveneaux, etc, used to be crawling with kids and families.

I hate to see it shut down.

AggieT said:

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I loved swim team up there every summer. Leave practice and go walk 36 holes. Racers generally won every meet.

I'd like to think that I still hold a pool record or two, but I'm pretty sure my sister does (she returned to coach during college...years ago).

Overall, not what it was in the late 80's/early 90's. We all grew up and moved away, and it seemed like the neighborhood aged overnight. I'm sure this has shifted a bit again, but the neighborhood, Raveneaux, etc, used to be crawling with kids and families.

I hate to see it shut down.

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You can check out the team records here: https://raveneaux.swimtopia.com/records. I'm pretty sure I would know of your sister if she coached in the last 10 years.

Unfortunately the pool records weren't kept up with the same accuracy as the team records, but most are one and the same on that link. We have had some amazing swimmers in the 10 years that I have been with the team.

You sure have. My sister is still up there, but I'm not .

Most of the names take me way back. Sad for some, happy for others.

Sister was a coach ~1998-99 ish.

I see my 9-10 coach frequently in the business world. Fun times.

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You sure have. My sister is still up there, but I'm not .

Most of the names take me way back. Sad for some, happy for others.

Sister was a coach ~1998-99 ish.

I see my 9-10 coach frequently in the business world. Fun times.

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Did you go to Cy-Creek?

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Klein

I believe the article included in an earlier post referenced $2.3B for the project.

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Noted for next NWAL meeting

Deal closed yesterday apparently. I didn't know the club doesn't own the golf course and that would be a separate transaction.

https://www.chron.com/business/real-estate/article/Harris-County-pays-11-5M-for-Raveneaux-Country-15017760.php?cmpid=hpctp#item-85307-tbla-5

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Yeah, my verb tense choice is not looking good. I should have used "had". We had all the momentum in the world just a few years ago with Champions joining us. Got up to about 165 swimmers. It's been downhill ever since obviously with Harvey and the impending doom of the Club now for several years.

It's a shame to me as I've poured an insane amount of my time and passion into this swim team, and I don't even live in the neighborhood. It's been fun, and we'll give it one more shot this summer with the folks we have and resources available to us.

Something tells me they would not have bought the small acreage w club building unless they had a deal(already agreed to behind the scenes) w CF district on the remaining larger acreage.


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Has there been any serious talk of keeping the club, pool, courts? We've always enjoyed the meets there. Seems like they can do exactly what they want with the land and leave the front alone for Champions residents / members to still enjoy.

I've noticed a lot more cars there at night lately, but hardly any during the day.

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Has there been any serious talk of keeping the club, pool, courts? We've always enjoyed the meets there. Seems like they can do exactly what they want with the land and leave the front alone for Champions residents / members to still enjoy.

I've noticed a lot more cars there at night lately, but hardly any during the day.

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There is a small contingency of local investors, including a golf course architect, that are looking into a site plan that would provide a golf course, new Club building, new pool, etc, that would mesh with the plans that HCFCD has for the property.

I don't see the existing club, pool, and courts lasting past the end of January 2021, which is the date that was given by HCFCD for the Club to remain as-is until then. The pool has still yet to ever be re-plastered from Harvey... it's such an eyesore and embarrassment to explain to teams each year since that "yes the water is safe to swim in regardless of what your eyes are telling you."

It's the extra-curricular activity that I've put the most hours in of anything I've done in my adult years. I hate that the rug got pulled out from under us so abruptly, but we saw this coming for years.

Anagrammatic Nudist said:

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JoeAggie5 said:

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Has there been any serious talk of keeping the club, pool, courts? We've always enjoyed the meets there. Seems like they can do exactly what they want with the land and leave the front alone for Champions residents / members to still enjoy.

I've noticed a lot more cars there at night lately, but hardly any during the day.

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There is a small contingency of local investors, including a golf course architect, that are looking into a site plan that would provide a golf course, new Club building, new pool, etc, that would mesh with the plans that HCFCD has for the property.

I don't see the existing club, pool, and courts lasting past the end of January 2021, which is the date that was given by HCFCD for the Club to remain as-is until then. The pool has still yet to ever be re-plastered from Harvey... it's such an eyesore and embarrassment to explain to teams each year since that "yes the water is safe to swim in regardless of what your eyes are telling you."

It's the extra-curricular activity that I've put the most hours in of anything I've done in my adult years. I hate that the rug got pulled out from under us so abruptly, but we saw this coming for years.

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When I saw the article about the purchase I was wondering if there would be any opportunity for the swim team to remain. Sad to hear.
I am a Team Rep/ Div Rep.
Put together this map of NWAL bc the one on the nwal site was so out of date ( got them to update it) but still hard to determine divisions at a glance.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1agRFsXne60Evtq3jjGQh32R1_Dc3UD2O&ll=30.05221227081018%2C-95.55773852551926&z=11

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As far as it is, I love swimming again High Meadow Ranch, their set up is great.

Never swam against Champions Park.

I assume that's smallest to largest on the legend?

schmendeler said:

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I support digging a giant hole in this whole area if it increases the amount of water that the cypress creek waterway can handle before epic flooding a la Harvey.

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How about one this big?

JoeAggie5 said:

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As far as it is, I love swimming again High Meadow Ranch, their set up is great.

Never swam against Champions Park.

I assume that's smallest to largest on the legend?

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The division placements are based on 2/3 power rankings and 1/3 location. The algorithm has worked well the last couple of years. That legend isn't necessarily smallest to largest, or really any rhyme or reason to it at this point. Colors and number have become somewhat arbitrary; it's the algorithm that matters in making divisions that will be competitive and somewhat near each other.