Pour one out, Raveneaux CC

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needs more turrets....and possibly a moat.
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jja79 said:

If anyone's looking for a nice place in Champions this one is on the market for $12MM.


That's nice looking pool house, but what does the main house look like
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Diggity said:

needs more turrets....and possibly a moat.
I think the hound release station is cropped out.
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Since the neighborhood is doomed you can probably get 100% CRA financing and a grant to pay closing costs.
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Saw someone playing the course this afternoon with a carry bag.

I knew it...
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Buck Turgidson said:

Another kick in the nuts for the Champions area. Its really sad - I recall when that area was considered one of the best suburbs in the Houston metro area. It is highly disturbing how so many nice Houston suburbs start turning to **** about 20-30 years after being developed.
lack of zoning in the ENTIRE city will do that...
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sorry...I wasn't aware there was a "blight free" zoning category.

makes city planning much easier!
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agracer said:

Buck Turgidson said:

Another kick in the nuts for the Champions area. Its really sad - I recall when that area was considered one of the best suburbs in the Houston metro area. It is highly disturbing how so many nice Houston suburbs start turning to **** about 20-30 years after being developed.
lack of zoning in the ENTIRE city will do that...

It has less to do with zoning than it does with governmental interference in the lending markets where multifamily developers are incentivized by HUD providing favorable loan backing and building multifamily where it shouldn't be.
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Are you talking about low income housing?

Is that a big issue up there?
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Update on Longwood: They have closed 9 holes indefinitely and the remaining 18 holes until at least June. They claim the winter freeze did them in. They say that they are not going to make significant investment until they understand the future financial position of the golf club (i.e. will the HOA lift the deed restriction?)
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Diggity said:

Are you talking about low income housing?

Is that a big issue up there?
Pretty much everywhere.

Almost every time there's new master-planned communities going up there are multi-family complexes developed at the periphery. In many cases those multi-family are financially incentivized by HUD to hold back a certain percentage of units for low-income housing.
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Diggity said:

Are you talking about low income housing?

Is that a big issue up there?
Have you ever had a conversation with anyone over the age of 65 or 70 in that area? It was a paradise before they were besieged by HUD.
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LW FB page should be fun tonight
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Bushwood is next
Buck Turgidson
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I don't think lack of zoning or apartments is the primary issue here (although aging apartments and poorly maintained starter homes are a really big problem for property values in many suburban areas). Traffic congestion, distance from major highways, flood issues and aging housing stock combined with brand new alternatives to the north are the big issues for the Champions area. You have older, flood prone homes that were originally pretty high-end that plummeted in value and invited a bad demographic in. That triggered a wider exodus north from there. I can recall looking at some really nice, spacious homes south of 1960 in Greenwood Forest back in the early 90's with my wife. That was the early stage of 1) those homes seeming dated and needing rehab; and 2) a major negative demographic shift. I also recall looking at homes in Northgate Forest in the late 90's and it seemed extremely high end at the time (still building nice custom homes there at that time). Now there is no way I would buy there based on what's happened to the area around it. Same thing is hurting next door Northland Christian School. People who can afford private school tuition is not exactly a growing demographic there now.

Back to Champions - there are still big pockets of homes that have remained white collar, but with the some of the nearby neighborhoods declining, no Compaq, the closure of their centerpiece country club and property values lagging, I would not buy there today. I hope one day that things will rebound once The Woodlands builds-out and people come back for bargain priced, large homes that still look nice on the outside and are good renovation candidates.
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Metro running down 1960 did that area in
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30 years ago a guy moving out of Inwood Forest told me if you see a bus stop move.
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Quote:


the closure of their centerpiece country club


I'm pretty sure Champions Golf Club is still around...
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The 2021 Champions Cup Invitational will be held at Champions Golf Club in Houston, Texas April 15th through April 18th, with a practice round on Wednesday, April 14th (there is no practice round on Tuesday, April 13th).
The Champions Cup Invitational tournament is a 72-hole, best ball, stroke play format started by Jack Burke and Jimmy Demaret in 1961. The tournament hosts teams of competitors from throughout the United States. Since the tournament has a national focus, invitations to local players are made available under the following general guidelines:
Current Texas State Amateur Champion
Current Texas Mid-Amateur Champion
Current Texas State 4-Ball Champion
Current Houston City Amateur Champion
Champions Golf Club's Club Champion, Runner-Up and Senior Club Champion
Champions members with points accumulated through the club tournament golf calendar
Past Champions Cup Winners
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billyjack2009 said:

Metro running down 1960 did that area in
Such a tired and uninformed, group-think, opinion.
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billyjack2009 said:

Metro running down 1960 did that area in


Criminals love a long commute.
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Why yes, yes metro did. Grew up in that area during that time period.

First came metro line, then came low income Homes and apartments. Finally came Katrina for the knock out blow.
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kubiak03 said:

Why yes, yes metro did. Grew up in that area during that time period.

First came metro line, then came low income Homes and apartments. Finally came Katrina for the knock out blow.


Wrong. Multi-family development exploded well before the METRO line on FM 1960 came. METRO was reactive to the development that had already occurred. This fallacy continues to be perpetuated.

There are myriad reasons why the FM 1960 corridor has turned out why it has. High density development, lack of access management, driveways for every business, and folks giving up on the area for greener suburb pastures further north. Putting all this on one bus line is so ridiculously tired and honestly has racist undertones.
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Anagrammatic Nudist said:

kubiak03 said:

Why yes, yes metro did. Grew up in that area during that time period.

First came metro line, then came low income Homes and apartments. Finally came Katrina for the knock out blow.


Wrong. Multi-family development exploded well before the METRO line on FM 1960 came. METRO was reactive to the development that had already occurred. This fallacy continues to be perpetuated.

There are myriad reasons why the FM 1960 corridor has turned out why it has. High density development, lack of access management, driveways for every business, and folks giving up on the area for greener suburb pastures further north. Putting all this on one bus line is so ridiculously tired and honestly has racist undertones.
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When in doubt, drop the racism card....
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kubiak03 said:

When in doubt, drop the racism card....


It's the first time I've ever said the word on this site. And FYI, I have zero doubt that you refer to. I've studied this corridor from the perspective you are referring to more than anyone alive.

And it's 100% true. Blaming the demise of FM 1960 on a bus line has racist undertones. My father-in-law is a prime example of someone in this very category.
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