11 years ago today was the East Dallas hail storm that bought me my last roof. This was the one that smashed house windows and destroyed cars. Every once in a while you'll still see a car in the area that "survived."

Our car is at the dealer in burleson. This is still on our insurance if it got hail damage there?

rebag00 said:

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11 years ago today was the East Dallas hail storm that bought me my last roof. This was the one that smashed house windows and destroyed cars. Every once in a while you'll still see a car in the area that "survived."

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Crazy to think it's been that long. Luckily I was in another part of town at the time so didn't have to make an auto claim, but I did get a new roof (and Weber grill).

NEW-DFW is now included in an Enhanced Risk (level 3 of 5) for severe weather this afternoon and evening. Another round of thunderstorms capable of producing very large hail, damaging winds, and isolated flooding will be possible #wfaaweather pic.twitter.com/A2fmYiaVS8

— Pete Delkus (@wfaaweather) June 13, 2023

We lost both my kids cars, our roof, and a full fence run beat to replacement level hell 3 weeks ago.

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DaveHimself said:

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Few miles south of I20/360

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Was this from the cell came through around 3-4 am this morning or current one?

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10:35 last night

fc2112 said:

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DaveHimself said:

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Few miles south of I20/360

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So I live around Cooper and Turner Warnell. It may have hailed but I was dead to the world asleep. I need a new roof anyway so in using this storm as an excuse to call a roofer.

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My parents are at the other end of Turner Warnell, near 287 (actually the next exit north of TW), and didn't get any hail.

Yes, been here close to 50 years myself and have definitely seen multiple day severe weather events, but the size of the hail over multiple days is something I just don't recall. I'm going from 30 year to class IV on my replacement, but many of these would nuke a class IV too. The one we got definitely would have, and it sounds like a number of these popups the last few days would too. I just figured with where rates keep heading, I'd make the investment and get all the protection and discounts I could. Wasn't that bad of a jump, and if we get nuked again, i'll at least get to replace iv with iv

DannyDuberstein said:

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Yes, been here close to 50 years myself and have definitely seen multiple day severe weather events, but the size of the hail over multiple days is something I just don't recall. I'm going from 30 year to class IV on my replacement, but many of these would nuke a class IV too. The one we got definitely would have, and it sounds like a number of these popups the last few days would too. I just figured with where rates keep heading, I'd make the investment and get all the protection and discounts I could. Wasn't that bad of a jump, and if we get nuked again, i'll at least get to replace iv with iv

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Class IV is great. I like the Certainteed there but anything could get nuked by 2"+ hail. If you get baseball size or better well... Hope your OSB is up to snuff.

DannyDuberstein said:

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Yes, been here close to 50 years myself and have definitely seen multiple day severe weather events, but the size of the hail over multiple days is something I just don't recall. I'm going from 30 year to class IV on my replacement, but many of these would nuke a class IV too. The one we got definitely would have, and it sounds like a number of these popups the last few days would too. I just figured with where rates keep heading, I'd make the investment and get all the protection and discounts I could. Wasn't that bad of a jump, and if we get nuked again, i'll at least get to replace iv with iv

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You mind me asking what the % difference was between 30-yr and Class IV?

And yeah -- some of those "spiked" hailstones look downright medieval.

About 16-17% more on the overall roof installation (i'm excluding cost of gutters, chimney/siding repair, etc in that base). I've read about them being 10-25% more, and it looks like we are falling in the midpoint.

That said, there are some trade-offs. Obviously one is outlaying more out of pocket without any guarantee it doesn't encounter the wrong storm and still get nuked anyway. Also you hear about the tradeoff that while your shingles may hold up, other items may not. So you go out of pocket to do repairs for a chunk of the cost of your deductible, but since you are under it, you are paying decent $$$ to do repairs while not actually getting a brand new roof out of the deal. That said, i feel like insurance companies' approach is going to continue to change. so I'm okay with both risks

DannyDuberstein said:

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About 16-17% more on the overall roof installation (i'm excluding cost of gutters, chimney/siding repair, etc in that base). I've read about them being 10-25% more, and it looks like we are falling in the midpoint.

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Most Class IV are $5-10 more a square from a distributor. Some of the more expensive Class IV are maybe $20 more a square in some markets over your normal architectural shingles. Most homes have around 30 squares for a roof replacement. You can do the math. There is very little difference in the install costs. There are some additional items that will be more expensive but it's not as much as you think.

Any recent #'s on the cost of going up to a stone coated steel roof?

My guess is the out of pocket beyond insurance is enough to pay the deductible to replace two or three 30 year roofs and still have the same risk of a really bad storm would laugh at it.

I've gone and have everything set up to cut my power around 7 pm tonight. Want to get out in front of things this go around.

What about metal vs. a class IV on durability vs. big hail?

costs?


Seeing that NWS upgrade at lunch today is frustrating. I'm a weather fan but this 'ish is getting old.

Of course it's going to be 100 Thursday and we'll all be *****ing about no more storms.

Was it upgraded again or are you talking about upgraded to a 3?

Big hail risk got upgraded to significant with a 30% chance of big hail, and specifically a 10% chance of 2"+ diameter hail within any given 25 mile radius for all of the DFW Metro.

https://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/md/md1016.html

FTAG 2000 said:

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What about metal vs. a class IV on durability vs. big hail?

costs?


Seeing that NWS upgrade at lunch today is frustrating. I'm a weather fan but this 'ish is getting old.

Of course it's going to be 100 Thursday and we'll all be *****ing about no more storms.

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Metal can get punched through too or lose it's waterproof seal with certain hail strikes. Your insurance goes up in most cases too.

aezmvp said:

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FTAG 2000 said:

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What about metal vs. a class IV on durability vs. big hail?

costs?


Seeing that NWS upgrade at lunch today is frustrating. I'm a weather fan but this 'ish is getting old.

Of course it's going to be 100 Thursday and we'll all be *****ing about no more storms.

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Metal can get punched through too or lose it's waterproof seal with certain hail strikes. Your insurance goes up in most cases too.

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Thanks.

Two cells already up in the last 45 minutes - one out by Terrell, the other over Irving (last 20 minutes from cloud to hail).

Gonna be a long day today.

Cells firing off of the outflow boundaries from previous weather.

Looking at the satellite, there's two obvious outflow boundaries right now.

One is along I-30 stretching from Ft. Worth out east of Dallas (the two storms up so far are along that line).

The other boundary is sitting roughly over 380 from Decatur over to New Hope.

Saw a new report that there was a 5in measured stone in Mansfield last night.

Just got hail nickel size in Kessler Park (Bishop Arts). Sirens going off presently. They went off at 6:30a this morning and 10:30p last night.

Feel like this is turning the boy who is crying wolf... not sure when there is a 'nado or just a storm

AnyOtherName said:

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Just got hail nickel size in Kessler Park (Bishop Arts). Sirens going off presently. They went off at 6:30a this morning and 10:30p last night.

Feel like this is turning the boy who is crying wolf... not sure when there is a 'nado or just a storm

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It's a common mistake thinking those are tornado sirens.

All cities in Texas and much of the south are sounding outdoor warning sirens, not tornado only sirens.

These sirens are sounded for any outdoor weather threat: winds over 60 mph, hail, or tornados.

Good to know! Is this a new action plan? Only recalled them being sounded when there was a watch or warning

AnyOtherName said:

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Good to know! Is this a new action plan? Only recalled them being sounded when there was a watch or warning

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It used to be they only sounded the sirens for tornados, because that's all they could inform off of (spotters, or even when radar could pick up a tornado signature based on the curl of the rain in the tornado).

In 2013 the National Weather Service finished up installing the current generation of radars. These were the first radars that could distinguish precipitation type (i.e. hail and how big the hail is) and wind speed within storms.

So we all basically grew up with the only time being the sirens were fired is if a tornado is coming.

But with the current radar tech, the weather service can distinguish the hail and wind (in addition to tornados) and issue alerts based off of that. It also lets them narrow the focus (e.g., alerting everyone in say Irving east of a storm that has hail on it, in the direction it's traveling, versus having to send out an alert to all of Dallas County).

This localized alert capability really came to be a common capability between the weather service and local cities who control the sirens in the 2014-2015 timeframe.

So relatively, it's all pretty recent as far as using the sirens for any type of weather alert, versus just twisters.

AnyOtherName said:

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Good to know! Is this a new action plan? Only recalled them being sounded when there was a watch or warning

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Agreed. They used to just be tornado sirens. Now they are your patio furniture might blow over sirens.

Good info. I was reading one of the news sites that the forecasting could be even more exact if we had some kind of detection every 5 miles instead of 40, but it was cost prohibitive. Any info on that?

Proposition Joe said:

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Good info. I was reading one of the news sites that the forecasting could be even more exact if we had some kind of detection every 5 miles instead of 40, but it was cost prohibitive. Any info on that?

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In theory.

That would be true for the current generation of radars.

In reality they've developed the next gen of radar that's called phased array. It's modeled after the military.

It is much more responsive than the current dual-pol stuff. Basically it takes dual pol six minutes to scan a storm and do a 360 from the radar site. Phased array can do that in one minute. That's a big deal where storms can strengthen inside of that scan window of current radar.

Biggest problem is the cost. There's not really the funds for that anywhere in the NWS budget, so until Congress gives them more money, it won't happen.

I think the next iteration would be for them to fill in some of the holes in radar coverage (there's some spots up by the red river where radar sites are like 100 miles apart, and the radar is less reliable the farther you get from it) with the current tech, and then look at putting the phased array stuff in and around major population centers.

Probably the best (or worst, depending on how you look at it) case study was the Joplin tornado several years ago. The current radar scanned the storm. About a minute after that the tornado formed. So the weather service had no idea it was on the ground for about five minutes while it was tearing stuff up in Joplin.

Spotters called in the tornado right away, but it took them calling the NWS to get the tornado warning out, and in that time it traveled through about a quarter of town, destroying so many buildings and killing and injuring hundreds.

Phased array would have shortened that time to warning, and would have been worth it in my opinion.

Sheesh. Models have more storms today, seem to b wanting to put them in the northern burbs up to red river.

Tune in for today's hail sweepstakes.... a new roof could be yours!

What happened to the predicted overnight storms? Seems like none ever formed anywhere.

mAgnoliAg said:

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What happened to the predicted overnight storms? Seems like none ever formed anywhere.

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I was curious as well. Seems like the more detail the forecast tries to drill down the more unreliable it becomes.

The lower level jet just isn't there to drive a big outbreak.

All of these storms are firing off of old outflow boundaries where storms fell apart in the last 24-36 hours. They need day time heating (lift) and/or a wave or jet to get them going.

It's really odd but typical of past el nino patterns. the computer models are having all kinds of problems with these setups this week.

Understand. But perception still appears that the more precise we try to make these models the more inaccurate they are.

Now that could be in the past the 'models' weren't shown as much thus not open to perception.

I will say for probably the last 3-4 years, once you get inside of 48 hours, the models have been pretty good. They don't always get location right but area events. i.e., it will show a hailer over Plano but then south Dallas gets it. That's still pretty damn good for computer simulations.

The pattern for the past two weeks has been schizo and the models have struggled more than I can remember in a long time on it.

As far as today goes, looking at satellite you can see the front on a roughly Vernon to Del Rio line. Looks like some cloud tops trying to pop west of the metroplex.

Could see some severe this afternoon with daytime heating. Otherwise NTX is done with this stuff.

Will be curious to see what the weather balloons and model runs say at noon.