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6:53a, 4/26/23
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Went on a city bus ride yesterday and had a friendly guy ask for lunch money - after I gave him $10, he told about some of the attacks he has suffered recently, then got back home from HEB and saw State Troopers parked in front of the local public school that used to be patrolled by AISD (now defunded), then saw this remarkable report by KXAN about how a group of women had to do their own investigation to stop (well - put on probation if that is "stop") a serial attacker in Austin.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/like-i-m-just-your-prey-survivor-pushes-for-victim-rights-after-attacker-gets-probation-sentence/ar-AA1akWI0?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=66102988604142b2a90fef9b5ae946d6&ei=229

Edit to post A Fox News report that has more detail than KXAN...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/texas-man-convicted-of-attacking-multiple-women-given-lenient-probation-by-soros-backed-da-reports/ar-AA1alD1L?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=713ad8ea816c4f029898cf57cb963624&ei=34
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7:07a, 4/26/23
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The homeless guy probably has a pretty rough and dangerous life. The police don't intervene in much of anything but I don't blame them

For your average middle class family it's not any real concern though, basic average metropolitan petty crimes usually committed by the homeless

Lock your doors and you're fine

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7:53a, 4/26/23
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I've had it with the anarchy here. I'm bugging out to Khartoum.
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8:39a, 4/26/23
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They found 2 dead bodies in South Austin in the last week. One behind the Best Buy and a decomposed body in the woods at the intersection of Brodie Lane and William Cannon. Just another day in Austin. It's normal now. The Best Buy person they said was shot was not reported to the news until a week later. The city does not want this stuff reported.

Blinders unfold. Straight ahead.

Swimmimg in fish poop is one thing, swimming in bodies and pet waste. Nah...

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8:50a, 4/26/23
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And another attack on a female in Monday.

https://www.fox7austin.com/news/austin-woman-attacked-in-broad-daylight-while-hiking-in-barton-creek-greenbelt
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9:15a, 4/26/23
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Statistics show Austin is still the safest of the four large cities in Texas.

The homeless problem in Austin is getting better, but the local, state and the national govt are doing very little to solve the root of the homeless problem.

There are very few homeless on non-homeless violent crimes. Yes, there are some but very few. Non-homeless on homeless and homeless on homeless are more common.

I live in north central austin (Lamar and Rundberg), work in central austin, kid goes to AISD, etc…. I do not know anyone who has been the victim of a violent homeless crime and I live in an area many outsiders would not consider "safe". I know people who forgot to lock their car and had it gone through…..
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9:23a, 4/26/23
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the hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident that people refuse to see
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L7 WEENIE
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In reply to Ragnar Danneskjoldd • 9:25a, 4/26/23
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Ragnar Danneskjoldd said:
the hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident that people refuse to see


It's wild that people ignore the facts….
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9:34a, 4/26/23
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It's hard to believe crime is normalized
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L7 WEENIE
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9:35a, 4/26/23
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two years in a row the Austin Police budget has been increased to higher levels than it ever has. I support that.…. Austin Police have problems and many come from within their own department. They have the money they need, or are at least not far off. People act like they were defunded of all resources. 3 years ago they had 30 million dollars (out of over 400 million) that was taken from their budget which has since been given back plus a lot more.

Austin does have problems, I won't deny that, but for a city that has increased in population as quickly as it has we are doing pretty well.

What large city should we look at as an example to follow? Most hate on Austin is simply cause it's the cool thing to do despite it still being the safest large city in Texas.

I live in austin. I work in austin. My kid goes to AISD. I have never seen a violent crime. None of my neighbors, friends, family or co-workers have personally been the victim of violent crimes. People act like it's just some lawless free-for-all and it just isn't but I understand it is the political whipping boy for some.

http://www.usa.com/rank/texas-state--crime-index--city-rank.htm?hl=&hlst=&wist=&yr=&dis=&sb=DESC&plow=&phigh=&ps=

https://www.kxxv.com/story/31935851/new-report-ranks-two-central-texas-cities-among-most-dangerous

https://propertyclub.nyc/article/most-dangerous-cities-in-texas
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12:00p, 4/26/23
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LOL at the cartoons. Keep defunding the police, and surely things will get safer. Wait....what?
Class of '93 - proud Dad of a '22 grad and a '26 student!
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12:09p, 4/26/23
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Every time I read one of these threads it reminds me of all the unsolved murders in New York City.
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12:26p, 4/26/23
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I've worked in Austin for 7 years. My territory is from downtown south of the river all the way up to Liberty Hill. I'm a utility field engineer so I am regularly going to random parts of town, good and not so good. I've had a few awkward encounters with mentally disturbed homeless types, but no danger. More like annoying.

I have seen a few fights however, involving some apparently homeless or just really unstable people in some tougher parts of town.

I've seen the results of many property crimes as our facilities are periodically vandalized or burglarized.

I did a similar job in Houston years before and saw some of the same stuff.

Austin is maturing into the typical large urban dump where the middle class moves out and what remains is a big disparity between the fairly wealthy that can isolate themselves from most crime, and the poor who are sort of stuck in place and are often the victims and perpetrators of crime. The politicians of course exploit that the poor are also typically the less intelligent and informed in society and sort of work to keep them just happy enough to not devolve into chaos but angry enough to be easy to rouse into an ignorant mob. Then there's a big group of wealthy virtue signalers that vote for fantastical progressive solutions to maintain acceptable status with peers and feel smug about slacktivism.

All that said, Austin is by no means exceptionally violent. It's just getting worse as it grows bigger and the middle class pulls out.
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In reply to L7 WEENIE • 12:49p, 4/26/23
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cityagboy said:
two years in a row the Austin Police budget has been increased to higher levels than it ever has. I support that.…. Austin Police have problems and many come from within their own department. They have the money they need, or are at least not far off. People act like they were defunded of all resources. 3 years ago they had 30 million dollars (out of over 400 million) that was taken from their budget which has since been given back plus a lot more.

Austin does have problems, I won't deny that, but for a city that has increased in population as quickly as it has we are doing pretty well.

What large city should we look at as an example to follow? Most hate on Austin is simply cause it's the cool thing to do despite it still being the safest large city in Texas.

I live in austin. I work in austin. My kid goes to AISD. I have never seen a violent crime. None of my neighbors, friends, family or co-workers have personally been the victim of violent crimes. People act like it's just some lawless free-for-all and it just isn't but I understand it is the political whipping boy for some.

http://www.usa.com/rank/texas-state--crime-index--city-rank.htm?hl=&hlst=&wist=&yr=&dis=&sb=DESC&plow=&phigh=&ps=

https://www.kxxv.com/story/31935851/new-report-ranks-two-central-texas-cities-among-most-dangerous

https://propertyclub.nyc/article/most-dangerous-cities-in-texas
I'm sure we'll never agree on the policing, but acting like nothing really happened to APD isn't going to sway anyone to your side. The article above mentioned $150M, not $30M. The City Council only restored the funding because the legislature forced them to. Adler and crew canceled multiple police cadet classes, which knee-capped any effort to replace the departing police offers who grow tired of the toxic environment created by our City Council and District Attorney.

Now we (the city) are wasting over $1M on a local election for Prop A that supposedly isn't even legally enforceable and will be legally challenged if it passes. I don't know that Prop B is any better, these are things that need to be included in a multi-year contract with police, not rammed through a Prop vote and forced upon them.

I don't put much stock in safest big city stats when citizens know that the police is woefully under-staffed they can't respond to things like they should. There is little staff to investigate crimes committed, thus people don't even bother to report things like they used to. Thank goodness we have the DPS helping out now.

I'm glad you haven't seen a violent crime. Luckily I haven't either (but that recent body found off of Mopac and 290 wasn't far away; neither was the other body they found off of Brodie and Wm Cannon). I am tired of the other stuff being ignored because Adler and the Council intentionally created a toxic environment for our police department. Let enough little stuff go for a long enough period of time, and you will get the free-for-all you referred to.
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In reply to KT 90 • 1:19p, 4/26/23
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KT 90 said:
cityagboy said:
two years in a row the Austin Police budget has been increased to higher levels than it ever has. I support that.…. Austin Police have problems and many come from within their own department. They have the money they need, or are at least not far off. People act like they were defunded of all resources. 3 years ago they had 30 million dollars (out of over 400 million) that was taken from their budget which has since been given back plus a lot more.

Austin does have problems, I won't deny that, but for a city that has increased in population as quickly as it has we are doing pretty well.

What large city should we look at as an example to follow? Most hate on Austin is simply cause it's the cool thing to do despite it still being the safest large city in Texas.

I live in austin. I work in austin. My kid goes to AISD. I have never seen a violent crime. None of my neighbors, friends, family or co-workers have personally been the victim of violent crimes. People act like it's just some lawless free-for-all and it just isn't but I understand it is the political whipping boy for some.

http://www.usa.com/rank/texas-state--crime-index--city-rank.htm?hl=&hlst=&wist=&yr=&dis=&sb=DESC&plow=&phigh=&ps=

https://www.kxxv.com/story/31935851/new-report-ranks-two-central-texas-cities-among-most-dangerous

https://propertyclub.nyc/article/most-dangerous-cities-in-texas
I'm sure we'll never agree on the policing, but acting like nothing really happened to APD isn't going to sway anyone to your side. The article above mentioned $150M, not $30M. The City Council only restored the funding because the legislature forced them to. Adler and crew canceled multiple police cadet classes, which knee-capped any effort to replace the departing police offers who grow tired of the toxic environment created by our City Council and District Attorney.

Now we (the city) are wasting over $1M on a local election for Prop A that supposedly isn't even legally enforceable and will be legally challenged if it passes. I don't know that Prop B is any better, these are things that need to be included in a multi-year contract with police, not rammed through a Prop vote and forced upon them.

I don't put much stock in safest big city stats when citizens know that the police is woefully under-staffed they can't respond to things like they should. There is little staff to investigate crimes committed, thus people don't even bother to report things like they used to. Thank goodness we have the DPS helping out now.

I'm glad you haven't seen a violent crime. Luckily I haven't either (but that recent body found off of Mopac and 290 wasn't far away; neither was the other body they found off of Brodie and Wm Cannon). I am tired of the other stuff being ignored because Adler and the Council intentionally created a toxic environment for our police department. Let enough little stuff go for a long enough period of time, and you will get the free-for-all you referred to.


It was proposed to take away 1/3 of the police budget but I do not believe that ever happened. I believe it ended up being about 30 million. Even if you were right their budget is higher now than it ever has been. Not all of the police departments issues are their own but many are. They have money to hire people right now.

I mostly agree with your second paragraph.

The third paragraph is somewhat true. There are times when the call center is backed up. The money is there to fill those spots. Also, while still a big problem, the 911 call centers aren't normally backed up. I have called 911 three times in the last year and got through in less than 3 rings each time. The average call wait time (I think) is around 90 seconds.

And yes, Adler sucked.
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In reply to L7 WEENIE • 1:33p, 4/26/23
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I thought they redirected a bunch of money at the height of the protests away from the ordinary police budget to things like counseling. When they realized they now couldn't operate the police force like they need to, they then passed a bond through the city to get more money out of the taxpayer to attempt providing the same service as they were pre-protests and redirect.

Am I incorrect on that?
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In reply to Definitely Not A Cop • 1:36p, 4/26/23
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Definitely Not A Cop said:
I thought they redirected a bunch of money at the height of the protests away from the ordinary police budget to things like counseling. When they realized they now couldn't operate the police force like they need to, they then passed a bond through the city to get more money out of the taxpayer to attempt providing the same service as they were pre-protests and redirect.

Am I incorrect on that?


Yeah. That is pretty accurate. The money they took away was used in ways to take responsibilities away from police. The bond was simply to raise the police budget, which it did. The police budget is currently the highest it has ever been. I'm not complaining about that either

** do you live in Austin? Are you a cop in Austin?
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1:50p, 4/26/23
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The fact of the matter is people have turned a blind eye to crime. As said before nobody will or wants to call the cops. What's the use? Nobody wants to get involved including the cops because they are afraid of getting sued, blamed for something. Why brother? That is unhealthy for society. The citizens that care and want to feel safe are left with a sense of uncertainty for their safety.
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Lived there for 8 years, just moved away for a job opportunity. Never been in law enforcement, definitely not a cop
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In reply to Definitely Not A Cop • 2:08p, 4/26/23
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Definitely Not A Cop said:
Lived there for 8 years, just moved away for a job opportunity. Never been in law enforcement, definitely not a cop


Gotcha
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2:17p, 4/26/23
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Unfortunately, everything is now politics.
It seems like both parties should be able to agree that enforcing the law is good, but there is now so much law, so much intrusion of government into every facet of life, that even simple things get involved in political discussion.
I preferred it when America was the land of the free rather than just another over crowded, rather militarized country claiming to be a democracy because it has two parties contesting for power - but neither party can actually return true freedom, we are beyond that and will do well not to become a dictatorship.

Sorry, I was in a bad mood after reading this - there has got to be more to this story of a guy trying to set a gasoline pump on fire at an East Austin store....Why. why, why?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/man-arrested-for-allegedly-setting-gas-pump-on-fire-to-blow-up-store-in-east-austin/ar-AA1alITw?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=5ce217a7cd7c48b2808cc5f2b44d833c&ei=22
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2:46p, 4/26/23
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Who are you responding to? I live in Kyle.
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In reply to The Fall Guy • 2:55p, 4/26/23
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The Fall Guy said:
Who are you responding to? I live in Kyle.
thought you were the one who said bastrop

Point stands
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4:03p, 4/26/23
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I dont know what to measure it against, but Austin has undoubtedly changed. In my opinion, not for the better. Last year my wife witnessed a violent crime at a nice HEB in a N.Austin suburb. Two guys grabbed the old ladies purse, and then ran over her with their car....in the middle of the day, right in front of my wife and others. It barely made the news.

Anyone been to 6th recently? Not the same place it was 15 years ago. We used to hang out down there until late at night and always felt safe.

Now? It's a completely different crowd.


We went to eat downtown for NYE a couple years ago, and we couldnt walk on the sidewalk, because there were so many tents/homeless people. Literally had to walk down the block in the street with my kids. I hear some of that has been cleaned up. I dont know...I dont really care to go back when I have other options.

It's just not the cool/eclectic town I fell in love with. It's a growing city, very much like the others in Texas, but with a large contingent with desperate desire to be like LA or San Fran. That's the very last cities we should be modeling ourselves after.
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4:08p, 4/26/23
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Per this report Austin is 15th safest city with population of 300k or more.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2023/01/31/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us-crime-in-america/?sh=43d0c1714b25
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In reply to SteveBott • 4:08p, 4/26/23
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SteveBott said:
Per this report Austin is 15th safest city with population of 300k or more.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2023/01/31/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us-crime-in-america/?sh=43d0c1714b25


But but that doesn't match what the politicians say!!!!!

Ten of the most dangerous cities are in red states… odd
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Or the out of towners who post here
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SteveBott said:
Per this report Austin is 15th safest city with population of 300k or more.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2023/01/31/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us-crime-in-america/?sh=43d0c1714b25

Well that damn sure doesn't fit the narrative.
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2:42a, 4/27/23
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Living near a high crime area could be compared to living near a volcano - it's safer in Austin than Houston, but people are still leaving the cities because of perceived danger.
Here's a stat where Austin is probably worse than Houston: RABID BATS.
Of course Houston may really be worse and the bats just don't get reported there.

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Rongagin71 said:
Living near a high crime area could be compared to living near a volcano - it's safer in Austin than Houston, but people are still leaving the cities because of perceived danger.
Here's a stat where Austin is probably worse than Houston: RABID BATS.
Of course Houston may really be worse and the bats just don't get reported there.



More people are moving in than moving out…. A LOT more

This isn't the great white flight of the 60s
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In reply to L7 WEENIE • 8:07a, 4/27/23
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cityagboy said:
Rongagin71 said:
Living near a high crime area could be compared to living near a volcano - it's safer in Austin than Houston, but people are still leaving the cities because of perceived danger.
Here's a stat where Austin is probably worse than Houston: RABID BATS.
Of course Houston may really be worse and the bats just don't get reported there.



More people are moving in than moving out…. A LOT more

This isn't the great white flight of the 60s
Very happy to let yall have it. but hey, why am I as a non-Austinite paying for state troopers to patrol your city? Seeing as it so safe and all.
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In reply to AgGrad99 • 8:15a, 4/27/23
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my APD neighbor is in that video. he's born and raised in Chicago. by his account, Austin is going down hill fast. but, yall keep ignoring it and parading the "safest big city in Texas" line as it spirals down.

the point is not that Austin is Baghdad circa 2013. it's that things are heading south fast and and a vast majority of Austinites and the city leaders absolutely refuse to even acknowledge it let alone work on changing it.
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In reply to SteveBott • 8:17a, 4/27/23
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SteveBott said:
Per this report Austin is 15th safest city with population of 300k or more.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2023/01/31/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us-crime-in-america/?sh=43d0c1714b25
I find it interesting that they use some convoluted "social cost of crime" per capita stat instead of just # of crimes per capita. I don't really care enough to go dig into their methodology to see how they are tweaking things, but I would love to see them ranked purely by violent crime per capita and property crime per capita. I am sure Austin would still be better than Houston, but as I said earlier, that is a very low bar to clear.
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9:07a, 4/27/23
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It most definitely is getting more unsafe and it is definitely political. Garza just lets a ten time rapist who broke his latest victims leg off on probation and a leftist female judge ratifies the sentence. His favorite pastime is to go to schools and watch the teenage girls while he masturbates. Glad we got Perry off the streets though.
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txags92 said:
SteveBott said:
Per this report Austin is 15th safest city with population of 300k or more.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2023/01/31/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us-crime-in-america/?sh=43d0c1714b25
I find it interesting that they use some convoluted "social cost of crime" per capita stat instead of just # of crimes per capita. I don't really care enough to go dig into their methodology to see how they are tweaking things, but I would love to see them ranked purely by violent crime per capita and property crime per capita. I am sure Austin would still be better than Houston, but as I said earlier, that is a very low bar to clear.


I question how accurate any of this data truly is in any large urban area. If your car gets broken into in any big city, you are lucky to get a police officer to even show up now to file the report in person. Most won't DA's won't charge anyone stealing less than X amount of dollars, so cops don't bother trying to arrest. I am very doubtful that most crime is being reported accurately.
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