ReloadAg said:

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Abbott said he's fighting back in court against the districts that have implemented it thankfully.

The thing that gives me hope is the neighboring suburb districts haven't done it yet. To my knowledge only AISD has and they're a bunch of commie idiots.

The only thing that cloth diaper on their face is good for is catching the **** that comes out of their mouths.

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Del Valle and San Marcos both adopted mask mandates today.

RRISD issued a statement today that the district protocol will be uniform across the district. Meaning, if schools are in Travis county, all schools will submit to travis county. School starts Wednesday.

RRISD board voting on Monday at 5:30 on mask mandates. On Sunday you can sign up to speak at the meeting live or in person for 2 minutes. You can bet your ass I will have something to say.

You started the thread and have posted several times yet you haven't stated why you're opposed.

I was at "meet the mavs" night at Mcneil HS tonight, no mask mandate there, about 1/3 wearing masks, about 1/8 of the students. Place was packed, while football bleachers were packed, equal number on the track.

FYI Mcneil is in Travis co.

Here is what looks like a good study about masks in schools.

Downsides:

Done before Delta
Focus just on transmission not other factors in quality of life

Upsides:

Great research institutions
Huge sample. Over 1 million participants

Here is the paper

https://abcsciencecollaborative.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/ABCs-Final-Report-June-2021.06-esig-DB-KZ-6-29-21.pdf

Here is the article it was cited in

https://today.duke.edu/2021/06/research-finds-masks-can-prevent-covid-19-transmission-schools

Eanes just went mask mandate, too. Interested to see how this plays.

Been picking my kid up from camp at the cheerleading camp in the high school gym all week and maybe 10% of parents and zero kids were masked up.

Middle school orientation was maybe 50/50.

You didn't read my links. They show the opposite of your claim

It doesn't matter when the vast vast majority of kids that get the virus have minor symptoms. Like the data I presented before said, only .6% of child deaths in the last 18 months were from COVID. By your logic we should have masks in schools for the rest of time so kids don't die of the flu (which they're more likely to do by the way).

There are also a plethora of studies out there showing masks are actually incredibly harmful to kids. Imagine showing up for your first day of Kindergarten and not being able to see a comforting smile on any face around you. Imagine trying to learn to read without being able to see your teacher's mouth moving which is an important part of phonetic development. Imagine walking around all day breathing your own nasty, hot air through a sweaty piece of cloth. Furthermore, the discomfort of a mask distracts children from learning. I can't tell you how many kids I saw leaving school last year fiddling with their masks. By increasing airway resistance during exhalation, masks can lead to increased levels of carbon dioxide in the blood. Masks can be vectors for pathogens if they become moist or are used for too long and can even lead to anxiety and depression in kids.

Killian in PFISD just flipped. I'm livid.

Pville requiring masks starting tomorrow. Rrisd is next.

discobrob said:

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Pville requiring masks starting tomorrow. Rrisd is next.

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Two days ago he was "following the science". Now he is "following the law" based on the whim of a single judge, while denying that it's political.

Trash person. Political science isn't actually science, doug

I don't think you are going to see people abide even by the supreme court, this will become civil disobedience issue where activist supers and the like will take the penalty or basically wait for the police/rangers to enforce it. Which they won't because masks wearing is not worth a shoot out.

They are already ignoring the governor why do you think they will listen to the nameless,faceless supreme court

This is all a moot point now. No way are masks enforceable after the TSC sided with Abbott today.

Austin area folks are saying the stay doesn't apply to them. It only applies to Dallas and Bexar.

What will be interesting is the RRISD link I posted said they were considering mask and no mask rooms. Since a large majority of parents are good with masks are parents going to isolate their kids for their own personal beliefs?

I think we know the answer to that. Parents from both sides will be expressing their own view with the mask not masked room. If the popular kids choose a room the rest will follow

Apparently they don't understand the concept of Stare Decisis? If the precedent is set, the arguments are the same, it's broadly accepted that you have lost if someone else has already lost a virtually identical case.

Injunction would be inevitable, in that same vein. The district is just being arrogant and obstinate.

Here is one study done under ideal conditions: they work a little bit if worn properly all the time under laboratory conditions.

This was pre-Delta strain, too. There are other studies. While this study is rather optimistic sounding in that there is some protective effect, what you get out of it if you dig in deeper is that the effect is rather trivial with continued and constant exposure, and the cumulative odds are not in your favor at all with the poor performance of masks. Any significant percentage of viral particle exchange Will eventually result in infection given regular (near daily) exposure as the odds aggregate.

That is even more true with delta. It's not IF you will catch it, but rather when. It is inevitable, even with the vaccine, given enough exposures.

Say your chances of not catching CoVID sitting next to someone else in a room who has CoVID if you are both masked is .95 for every hour.

You sit there 8 hours.

.95
.95^2
.95^3
And so on
After 8 hours your odds are now only .66, approximately.
And I am using an insanely optimistic .95 number.
After a week of 8 hours, your odds of remaining uninfected are now .1285

You are much more likely to be a carrier and transmitter instead of uninfected person at this point.

The simple math is that if you are mixing with any other people regularly for an extended time, you Will catch CoVID and no mask, even the best, will prevent that.

They are pointless. They merely delay the inevitable, and as we approach herd resistance (if not immunity), that and seasonal behavior patterns will be the only things that slow it down.

Now, weigh the ultimate mathematical futility of masks against the harms and negatives, which are also very real and sometimes also cumulative.

Did you review this study?

https://abcsciencecollaborative.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/ABCs-Final-Report-June-2021.06-esig-DB-KZ-6-29-21.pdf

AustinAg008 said:

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This is all a moot point now. No way are masks enforceable after the TSC sided with Abbott today.

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Actually they are. TSC struck down the county mandate, not the schools. So the ISD's can mandate them if they want.

discobrob said:

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Austin area folks are saying the stay doesn't apply to them. It only applies to Dallas and Bexar.

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And they are correct.

This is going to be an interesting game of cat and mouse. You're going to have judges putting TRO's in place. Then you'll have wheels go up to the TSC to strike it down. There are liberal judges likely lining up to put these TRO's in place. Yada yada yada.

In the end, the masks are going to be there. And if ISD's were smart, they would just make it a part of the dress code and call it a day

Charpie said:

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AustinAg008 said:

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This is all a moot point now. No way are masks enforceable after the TSC sided with Abbott today.

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Actually they are. TSC struck down the county mandate, not the schools. So the ISD's can mandate them if they want.

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But for Hays County it was the Judge who issued the order to mask kids in public schools so doesn't the TSC ruling have precedent on this issue?

From what I understand, the TSC ruling only impacts Dallas and Bexar Counties. The others haven't been addressed yet. If Hays has done this only at the county level, the districts could come back and implement.

I'm not saying that it's going to happen. I'm saying that it could happen.

Also, keep in mind that there is no enforcement mechanism at a state level to stop a mask mandate in the schools.

Not a study, just a survey. There is no control group for that data, so you can't determine if the observed result was due to anything in particular.

It's been widely observed for some time that young children only very rarely express symptoms or spread the virus regardless of behavior, and they don't easily catch it. The masks possibly made a tiny contribution but there's no way to tell without a concurrent control.

Charpie said:

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discobrob said:

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Austin area folks are saying the stay doesn't apply to them. It only applies to Dallas and Bexar.

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And they are correct.

This is going to be an interesting game of cat and mouse. You're going to have judges putting TRO's in place. Then you'll have wheels go up to the TSC to strike it down. There are liberal judges likely lining up to put these TRO's in place. Yada yada yada.

In the end, the masks are going to be there. And if ISD's were smart, they would just make it a part of the dress code and call it a day

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Fun fact - if the SC upholds a governors order via a stay, that is for the entire order and not just cherry picked counties. They are allowing the fight at the county level continue in the lower courts, but until those are heard the stay is in effect. Had friends send kids to school sans masks in Dallas today with no issue. Mine is heading to an AISD school tomorrow without one.

Also: Dress codes cannot be enforced in a public school. I was close to litigating via the ACLU in an elementary school in Austin who was telling parents it was mandatory and trying to enforce it. I went as high as the superintendents office who agreed with me - and said it needs to be optional; and that the principal needed to send out a new letter telling parents as much.

There is still no LEO out there to govern over ISD's for the schools that opt to do it.

And then you end up suing the state and we all get to pay for the litigation fees