Comrade, a central planning committee is best to manage resources for the betterment of the people. Unfortunately seizing property generates too much emotional response so the party has found a smoother path: seize additional tax money at every opportunity, then use those funds to purchase one property at a time. Spreading out the seizure over many tax payers dilutes push back to a manageable level but ends in the same glorious effect. It will take longer but eventually we will live in a people's utopia!91_Aggie said:
city shouldn't own real estate to be landlord.
The mall is suing the city of CS
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.......and now looking to put an A&M entity inside which also is a tenant off the property tax rolls.TexasAggie_02 said:so in order to stop a non profit from buying it and taking it off the tax rolls, the city buys it with tax money and takes it off the tax rolls.....91_Aggie said:They heard rumors of some type of business they didn't want in there possibly buying it (or maybe it was a church that wanted to buy it).phillytex24 said:
can anybody tell me why the City of College Station would want to buy a store in the mall? I've never heard of a city buying a store in any mall.
Great job city!
Mooney was mayor when this deal was struck, correct? As well as when TXdot and COCS staff were working on median plans…
Nichols is left holding the bag, as he is currently Mayor…
Nichols is left holding the bag, as he is currently Mayor…
Jen Prochaska didn't do her job. Career government employee with no private sector experience. Bureaucrat.
Same is happening in county government . Bryan city is run by a cartel.
Lowered rate? Or actually lowered taxes? There actually is a difference
I heard this morning that they are taking proposals for turning the old Macy's into an E-sports center. If they could get that to go through and somehow get the Dude Perfect Land built here, we'd become a tourist destination. Every kid under 50 knows who Dude Perfect is.
Passwordgone said:
Lowered rate? Or actually lowered taxes? There actually is a difference
Shhhh! Nancy Berry and other politicos don't want you to know that. Go to sleep, sheeple!
Please refrain from personal attacks against city staff. If you disagree with the decision hold your elected officials accountable. Staff didn't make the decision at all. Your statement is incorrect on multiple fronts.
Respectfully.
Respectfully.
My opinions are mine and should not be construed as those of city council or staff. I welcome robust debate but will cease communication on any thread in which colleagues or staff are personally criticized. I must refrain from comment on posted agenda items until after meetings are concluded. Bob Yancy 95
Bob, appreciate your presence here.
I am looking to learn... who brings projects like buying the Macy's to the city council's attention?
Does each council member do this? Or do members of city staff like planners bring pet projects to your attention?
I ask because it appears some believe that while the council has to approve projects, they likely wouldn't have even known about them if not for city staff members championing them. So it would be nice to dispel that if it is not correct.
Or validate it.
I am looking to learn... who brings projects like buying the Macy's to the city council's attention?
Does each council member do this? Or do members of city staff like planners bring pet projects to your attention?
I ask because it appears some believe that while the council has to approve projects, they likely wouldn't have even known about them if not for city staff members championing them. So it would be nice to dispel that if it is not correct.
Or validate it.
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91_Aggie said:
Bob, appreciate your presence here.
I am looking to learn... who brings projects like buying the Macy's to the city council's attention?
Does each council member do this? Or do members of city staff like planners bring pet projects to your attention?
I ask because it appears some believe that while the council has to approve projects, they likely wouldn't have even known about them if not for city staff members championing them. So it would be nice to dispel that if it is not correct.
Or validate it.
Thanks for the question. Both happen. Entities approach both staff and council. The ultimate decision is the city council's. Staff never get patently promotional. They give the X's and O's and council decides on anything significant. Staff are human of course. They see ideas they like and those they don't, but they're careful to be neutral when they bring it to us.
My opinions are mine and should not be construed as those of city council or staff. I welcome robust debate but will cease communication on any thread in which colleagues or staff are personally criticized. I must refrain from comment on posted agenda items until after meetings are concluded. Bob Yancy 95
Bumping this - any info? Got to thinking about it this am driving by thinking "it's so great the COCS bought that store so it wouldn't be an empty shell or an eyesore……."
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I tried to find something on Justice web but could not find anything
I think the bottom line is, the monthly fees keep piling up and hopefully the court will add interest because CBL deserves that
I will call the city tomorrow it is public, and we need an update
I think the bottom line is, the monthly fees keep piling up and hopefully the court will add interest because CBL deserves that
I will call the city tomorrow it is public, and we need an update
trouble said:
Insta props need to fit well in a square. You can't get that entire sign in the shot and be able to see the person in it.
What if you have a giant graduation mortar board/hat created and mounted onto the Instagram prop?
Sorry, no photo, I was passing by in the dark.
Maybe the city can tell us what giant graduation Instagram prop hats cost and which budget they come out of.
Even if the city gets a tenant that covers operating costs such as A&M, it still shouldn't be in the property leasing business competing with the private sector. We have a sufficient number of professional commercial leasing companies in our area.
The city should only purchase properties that they have need for either their own use or projected use in the future.
The city should only purchase properties that they have need for either their own use or projected use in the future.
From today's kbtx article on the city council meeting last night:
Can someone give their interpretation of this news?
Can someone give their interpretation of this news?
Also, here is the aforementioned addition to the Instagram prop
Oh that's just awful
I'm sure it didn't cost the taxpayer a dime.
maroon barchetta said:
From today's kbtx article on the city council meeting last night:
Can someone give their interpretation of this news?
Sounds like the city is getting into the low income housing business, because HUD isn't a thing? That's my guess…
Looks like the lawsuit is settled, but it will take a FOIA request to find out the terms.
https://www.kbtx.com/2024/08/06/college-station-cbl-associates-settle-post-oak-mall-lawsuit/
https://www.kbtx.com/2024/08/06/college-station-cbl-associates-settle-post-oak-mall-lawsuit/
Party
Plaintiff
CBL & Associates
Aliases
AO POM-COLLEGE STATION, LLC
Active Attorneys
Lead Attorney
FUSCO, NICK
Retained
Defendant
City of College Station, Texas
Active Attorneys
Lead Attorney
FALCO, ADAM CHARLES
Retained
Attorney
WHITTEN, LESLIE
Retained
Disposition Events
07/31/2024 Judgment
Judicial Officer
Hawthorne, Kyle
Judgment Type
Dismissed
Plaintiff
CBL & Associates
Aliases
AO POM-COLLEGE STATION, LLC
Active Attorneys
Lead Attorney
FUSCO, NICK
Retained
Defendant
City of College Station, Texas
Active Attorneys
Lead Attorney
FALCO, ADAM CHARLES
Retained
Attorney
WHITTEN, LESLIE
Retained
Disposition Events
07/31/2024 Judgment
Judicial Officer
Hawthorne, Kyle
Judgment Type
Dismissed
Hornbeck said:
Looks like the lawsuit is settled, but it will take a FOIA request to find out the terms.
I think there should be transparency here. If the city is paying money to settle a lawsuit that shouldn't be information that is hidden from the taxpayers. Another chapter of the Macy's debacle
rockelle said:Hornbeck said:
Looks like the lawsuit is settled, but it will take a FOIA request to find out the terms.
I think there should be transparency here. If the city is paying money to settle a lawsuit that shouldn't be information that is hidden from the taxpayers. Another chapter of the Macy's debacle
I agree... any settlements/lawsuits the city is involved in should always be publicly available.
Every activity and every use of public monies when settled, except possibly for personnel issues, should be made public immediately without the need for a FOIA request.91_Aggie said:rockelle said:Hornbeck said:
Looks like the lawsuit is settled, but it will take a FOIA request to find out the terms.
I think there should be transparency here. If the city is paying money to settle a lawsuit that shouldn't be information that is hidden from the taxpayers. Another chapter of the Macy's debacle
I agree... any settlements/lawsuits the city is involved in should always be publicly available.
"KBTX reached out to a city spokesperson on Monday, but they had no information available."
I call bs on that.
I call bs on that.
"We can't comment on litigation. Because reasons.
Respectfully,
Your city leadership"
Respectfully,
Your city leadership"
But the commercial real estate business is thriving! An opportunity too good to pass up
John 6 22:59 The Bread of Life Discourse
I think the only logic would be to avoid the information being used by lawyers for other tenants.
The problem is that with term limits, and I think all publically elected positions should have term limits, many of the leaders who led the effort to purchase the Macys building are out of office and can't be held accountable for the purchase.phillytex24 said:
Whoever is running the city should be fired and investigated! This purchase is ridiculous. Not to mention, in regards to another deal, their possible gaslighting of us in telling us the approved land was not suitable for use as a ballpark but is great for their new ideas.
From the news at the time of purchase....
"The vote followed recommendations from city manager Bryan Woods and chief economic development officer Natalie Ruiz to acquire the building to control future development of the property."
Is it the city's role to control the future development of private retail property through the purchase of private property? Don't we have zoning and other regulations that already address development of private property.
What we need is a law prohibiting the city from purchasing any private property over a maximum dollar value, let's say a million $$, without the public voting on it. Right now there is no accountability for the councils actions.
Looks like they could have bought another Instagram prop for the cost of the settlement.
Oh, and they will be paying a not-small monthly fee going forward.
Great job. Great investment.
https://www.kbtx.com/2024/08/06/college-station-cbl-associates-settle-post-oak-mall-lawsuit/
Oh, and they will be paying a not-small monthly fee going forward.
Great job. Great investment.
https://www.kbtx.com/2024/08/06/college-station-cbl-associates-settle-post-oak-mall-lawsuit/
The City of College Station provided a statement to KBTX about the settlement:maroon barchetta said:
Looks like they could have bought another Instagram prop for the cost of the settlement.
Oh, and they will be paying a not-small monthly fee going forward.
Great job. Great investment.
https://www.kbtx.com/2024/08/06/college-station-cbl-associates-settle-post-oak-mall-lawsuit/
"The City of College Station always intended to satisfy the financial obligation to maintain its property according to the law. The settlement was reached on amicable terms for the amount owed and future payments, ending any dispute with CBL about the law."
The article also states
The COREA agreement, which dates back to 1980, requires the city to pay CBL for common area maintenance and other charges outlined in the agreement. Documents read in part, "Beginning August 1, 2024, through December 31, 2024, and on the 1st day of each month thereafter" the city will pay $3,451.51 for common area maintenance.
Looks like CBL won and the city has to pay up. What am I missing here? The statement from the city doesn't make any sense to me.
Tumble Weed said:The City of College Station provided a statement to KBTX about the settlement:maroon barchetta said:
Looks like they could have bought another Instagram prop for the cost of the settlement.
Oh, and they will be paying a not-small monthly fee going forward.
Great job. Great investment.
https://www.kbtx.com/2024/08/06/college-station-cbl-associates-settle-post-oak-mall-lawsuit/
"The City of College Station always intended to satisfy the financial obligation to maintain its property according to the law. The settlement was reached on amicable terms for the amount owed and future payments, ending any dispute with CBL about the law."
The article also states
The COREA agreement, which dates back to 1980, requires the city to pay CBL for common area maintenance and other charges outlined in the agreement. Documents read in part, "Beginning August 1, 2024, through December 31, 2024, and on the 1st day of each month thereafter" the city will pay $3,451.51 for common area maintenance.
Looks like CBL won and the city has to pay up. What am I missing here? The statement from the city doesn't make any sense to me.
Apparently the city always intended to pay that part which the law prevents them from paying.
So, now, it's magically legal because they are ordered to pay it at the end of litigation? Color me confused, Batman. Seems like it'd still be illegal.
If it was illegal for the city to pay the service maintenance monthly fee, the city should have known that it was a requirement of ownership and the city should have had that negotiated before purchase to make the agreement legal.techno-ag said:Tumble Weed said:The City of College Station provided a statement to KBTX about the settlement:maroon barchetta said:
Looks like they could have bought another Instagram prop for the cost of the settlement.
Oh, and they will be paying a not-small monthly fee going forward.
Great job. Great investment.
https://www.kbtx.com/2024/08/06/college-station-cbl-associates-settle-post-oak-mall-lawsuit/
"The City of College Station always intended to satisfy the financial obligation to maintain its property according to the law. The settlement was reached on amicable terms for the amount owed and future payments, ending any dispute with CBL about the law."
The article also states
The COREA agreement, which dates back to 1980, requires the city to pay CBL for common area maintenance and other charges outlined in the agreement. Documents read in part, "Beginning August 1, 2024, through December 31, 2024, and on the 1st day of each month thereafter" the city will pay $3,451.51 for common area maintenance.
Looks like CBL won and the city has to pay up. What am I missing here? The statement from the city doesn't make any sense to me.
Apparently the city always intended to pay that part which the law prevents them from paying.