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TPWD draw system is abjectly terrible.

I am convinced they hold areas like Teacup for the high salary employees in the agency. The whole system is rigged and they know it.


Been hearing this type of conspiracy for years.

Why would high salary TPWD employees want to waste their time hunting public land? Certainly they'd rather drop coin on a sure thing such as a lease or outfitter on private.

If you were referring to TPWD Commissioners, they own and manage their own ranches and bank accounts. One donated his allotted bighorn tag for the recent TPW Foundation auction. Again, no need for these folks to hunt state land.
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I agree that would help. But not much ..
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For starters the cubed system is very flawed. It basically deems new entrants or mid level entrants near mathematically impossible to draw tags. i.e. The poster that has put in for 23 years for an antelope tag.

Second, many of us have always wondered how many entrants are from out of state. In no way should out-of-state residents have the same odds as in-state residents, especially with the state being 95% private land....
I'm almost certain the state does not release that information. They do release the amount of applicants that put in for each hunt unit, but not who lives in Tx and who do not.

Fix those two items. It's pretty simple.
nealan
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Actually, I don't know how much. I don't the data on non-resident entries. But I do know the one tag we drew ( youth mule deer) a guy from Kentucky was there with his son.
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TxAG-010 said:

EriktheRed said:

S.A. Aggie said:

I am convinced they hold areas like Teacup for the high salary employees in the agency. The whole system is rigged and they know it.

Curious what you mean by this? You can hunt Dove, Quail, Ducks etc every day of the season at Teacup, and draw for deer and turkey, just like other WMAs

"draw" is the key word.

Glad you a drew a tag, and livin' right. The fact is took 23 points to draw that antelope tag is so disappointing. I don't know if TPWD will ever overhaul their draw system but it sure would be nice!

Oh, I will be first to agree the system is disappointing, that wasnt what my reply was about.

I was asking what he meant by "holding areas for high salary employees" when that area is open to access every day of hunting except when closed to draw hunts.
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SanAntoneAg said:


Been hearing this type of conspiracy for years.

Why would high salary TPWD employees want to waste their time hunting public land? Certainly they'd rather drop coin on a sure thing such as a lease or outfitter on private.

If you were referring to TPWD Commissioners, they own and manage their own ranches and bank accounts. One donated his allotted bighorn tag for the recent TPW Foundation auction. Again, no need for these folks to hunt state land.

There are way more than enough invitations on private lands for them to ever hunt on WMAs.
S.A. Aggie
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Is Teacup open for draw hunts? If so, I apologize and take it back. Last I saw it wasn't open for deer.
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I am not sure how long it has been, because i dont put in there, but yes, its open

https://tpwd.texas.gov/huntwild/hunt/public/public_hunt_drawing/brochures/GDETE.pdf
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If you're serious about going hunting, there are multiple opportunities in multiple states for most species. I get it, you dont want to travel along way, you dont want to wait so many years, residents should be able to draw every year, all hunts should offer nearly guaranteed chances at mature animals, non residents shouldn't be allowed, it costs too much, working man can't afford it, no where to bring my boys, rich man sport, king's land and people's deer, politicians have first choice, and the system is screwed. And *****

Put in, it costs $3, It is what it is.
Most people complaining dont apply anyway.

Have a good evening!
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I drew the 2nd draw Archery at the Chap. First time I've ever got anything on the 2nd draw. I had 14 points.
TxAG-010
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I agree with you, and truly am happy you got an Antelope tag. If at came across as jealousy it couldn't be further from that.
There are plenty of options to hunt all over the great nation, it just takes a little effort and some patience. I put my name in the ring in multiple states every year including Texas, and have been lucky to draw some great tags in other states. Never the one I live in (Texas).

The bigger issue at hand just like many of the western states is point creep. I'm faithful at giving many state wildlife department's a donation every year never expecting a tag. Texas' system is broken against its own tax payers who fund their department.

I have a better chance, luck, odds, whatever you want to call them, at drawing a tag for an antelope, mule deer, whitetail in Wyoming as a non-resident. That's a problem.
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It was stated above but I'll ask a different way.
How much public land does TPWD manage with pronghorn?
SanAntoneAg
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Squid94 said:

It was stated above but I'll ask a different way.
How much public land does TPWD manage with pronghorn?


None comes to mind. Most is collaboration with private landowners. Rita Blanca is federal land and TPWD administers the draw hunt process.

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Squid94 said:

I guess I've been living right. I also drew Rita Blanca Pronghorn!
Dang it!
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TxAG-010 said:

I agree with you, and truly am happy you got an Antelope tag. If at came across as jealousy it couldn't be further from that.
There are plenty of options to hunt all over the great nation, it just takes a little effort and some patience. I put my name in the ring in multiple states every year including Texas, and have been lucky to draw some great tags in other states. Never the one I live in (Texas).

The bigger issue at hand just like many of the western states is point creep. I'm faithful at giving many state wildlife department's a donation every year never expecting a tag. Texas' system is broken against its own tax payers who fund their department.

I have a better chance, luck, odds, whatever you want to call them, at drawing a tag for an antelope, mule deer, whitetail in Wyoming as a non-resident. That's a problem.
Wyoming gives out a helluva lot more tags too.
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TxAG-010 said:

I agree with you, and truly am happy you got an Antelope tag. If at came across as jealousy it couldn't be further from that.
There are plenty of options to hunt all over the great nation, it just takes a little effort and some patience. I put my name in the ring in multiple states every year including Texas, and have been lucky to draw some great tags in other states. Never the one I live in (Texas).

The bigger issue at hand just like many of the western states is point creep. I'm faithful at giving many state wildlife department's a donation every year never expecting a tag. Texas' system is broken against its own tax payers who fund their department.

I have a better chance, luck, odds, whatever you want to call them, at drawing a tag for an antelope, mule deer, whitetail in Wyoming as a non-resident. That's a problem.


The bigger issue at hand isn't point creep. It's three things:

1. the amount of public land in many western states compared to Texas.

Texas=5%
Wyoming =50+%

2. Let's also factor in the Texas applicant population. The number of hunters applying for a very limited amount of public Texas tags. Our population is higher than many of the prime western states.

3. And, since we are talking pronghorn, available suitable habitat and population of this species. Very limited and small here in Texas.

Want to kill a Texas pronghorn? Buy a tag and pay trespass fees on private land. Problem solved.

Don't expect to draw for a Texas pronghorn based on available public land, draw competition numbers and overall pronghorn numbers.

It's an apples to oranges comparison.

Taken a step further, don't expect to consistently draw anything in Texas based on limited public and draw competition numbers. Yeah, you'll end up drawing something eventually. But it's a fool's game to think that a draw is going to happen every year or every few years. Especially for the popular WMAs/state parks.

As mentioned above,it is what it is. Pay $3 for a chance or not.
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wheelz said:

TxAG-010 said:

I agree with you, and truly am happy you got an Antelope tag. If at came across as jealousy it couldn't be further from that.
There are plenty of options to hunt all over the great nation, it just takes a little effort and some patience. I put my name in the ring in multiple states every year including Texas, and have been lucky to draw some great tags in other states. Never the one I live in (Texas).

The bigger issue at hand just like many of the western states is point creep. I'm faithful at giving many state wildlife department's a donation every year never expecting a tag. Texas' system is broken against its own tax payers who fund their department.

I have a better chance, luck, odds, whatever you want to call them, at drawing a tag for an antelope, mule deer, whitetail in Wyoming as a non-resident. That's a problem.
Wyoming gives out a helluva lot more tags too.


Wyoming has a helluva lot more public land, mule deer and pronghorn habitat and numbers, too.
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How many points and which mule deer hunt? I have two yutes and the points are starting to get up there. Oldest is 13 now. Hoping to get him a cool draw before he ages out…
TxAG-010
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I understand the disparity in comparing Wyoming Antelope and Texas antelope. It is apples to oranges.

Use whitetail deer in Texas if you want, the scenario is the same. Point creep is a problem in Texas just like in western states, look at the data TPWD puts out with the number of applicants compared to point it takes to draw.

We all put our $3 in. That's great.
If anything show preference to in state residents. Seems pretty logical.
INIGO MONTOYA
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Last time I ran the numbers - a youth that puts in every year has a good chance of getting drawn before they age out at the Chap.

They should charge a lot more for out of state or make them buy a hunting license like other states do. Something. Or charge them 10x if they got drawn. Something.
SanAntoneAg
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Require that out of staters purchase a non res license prior to applying. Seems simple enough for TPWD to require this. And it would sure make a lot of resident hunters who play the game happy.
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For Texas, I want to say that my son had 3, maybe 4 points when he was drawn for youth mule deer.

His old man has played the long game. Here are a few numbers showing when I finally got selected.

27 points for GDE
19 points for pronghorn
12 points for gun mule deer
12-15 for exotic
4 for gun nilgai

Granted there have been several doe, management, javelina, hog hunts along the way.

The system is far from perfect but someone gets drawn for every hunt.
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SanAntoneAg said:

S.A. Aggie said:

Furlock Bones said:

TPWD draw system is abjectly terrible.

I am convinced they hold areas like Teacup for the high salary employees in the agency. The whole system is rigged and they know it.


Been hearing this type of conspiracy for years.

Why would high salary TPWD employees want to waste their time hunting public land? Certainly they'd rather drop coin on a sure thing such as a lease or outfitter on private.

If you were referring to TPWD Commissioners, they own and manage their own ranches and bank accounts. One donated his allotted bighorn tag for the recent TPW Foundation auction. Again, no need for these folks to hunt state land.

You are right. I was wrong in what I said. My apologies.
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SanAntoneAg, I tried to message you but it didnt work. Id like to pick your brain, whats best way to make contact?
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Squid94 said:

SanAntoneAg, I tried to message you but it didnt work. Id like to pick your brain, whats best way to make contact?


Shoot me your number to

No spaces. I'll text you back!
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Got it!
Shoalcatter22
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Probably for the same reason my high-salaried self hunts public land, more than my deer lease. It's the hunt, man! Some of us have it in us. And imagine sharing access to a big chunk of land with a small group, that no one else can enter (like a deer lease). And it's free. It's exciting.

The only real case of this going on that I can think of, is now over. The land has changed managers, and I believe it will not continue on. I'm sure there are other cases out there, Lake Lavon for one. It's legal, it's their business, it's fine, it is what it is. But it's real and it happens. Some places are not open to the public and that's fine. Hopefully someone's making some memories on it.
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Drew archery at big lake bottom in late October
Flack
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I drew Laguna Atascosa NWR Archery Deer in January with my brothers. Going to try for a Nilgai. Wondering how crowded its going to be lol...

Permits Available: 800
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Flack said:

I drew Laguna Atascosa NWR Archery Deer in January with my brothers. Going to try for a Nilgai. Wondering how crowded its going to be lol...

Permits Available: 800


The 800 permits is total for four hunts on LANWR Archery Deer. Look on the bright side. Max you'll have is 200 on your hunt.
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I've hunted Laguna a few times, both archery and rifle. Let me know if I can help!
CivilEng08
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We drew Laguna again this year. Freaking psyched.
jpb1999
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Drew Devils Sinkhole SNA youth hunt either sex in November. Anyone with any tips? Any chance at an exotic? Probably only axis or anything else?
SanAntoneAg
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jpb1999 said:

Drew Devils Sinkhole SNA youth hunt either sex in November. Anyone with any tips? Any chance at an exotic? Probably only axis or anything else?


There's a post somewhere on the green screen from a dad whose son killed a cow elk on that hunt last year.

There are a lot more exotics than just axis running around out that way.
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Thanks for info! What is the green screen?

Edit NM, think I figured out that might be Texas Bowhunter…
 
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