Deerdude said:BlueSmoke said:Deerdude said:
Right or wrong I've put Safe-Guard licks in feeder pens. Do it every year before fawning starts. It's Fenbendazole. Makes me feel better anyway and the deer hammer it.
Isn't that more for intestinal worms?
Yea but it's a parasitic lick. Best I can do.
FishrCoAg said:Deerdude said:BlueSmoke said:Deerdude said:
Right or wrong I've put Safe-Guard licks in feeder pens. Do it every year before fawning starts. It's Fenbendazole. Makes me feel better anyway and the deer hammer it.
Isn't that more for intestinal worms?
Yea but it's a parasitic lick. Best I can do.
It does nothing to control screwworms or any other external parasites
FishrCoAg said:
Thanks for the kind words. This is going to be a struggle and I hope to see people and groups pulling in the same direction and not depending on things that do nothing. None of us want to see our industries decimated
Is there any way I can contact you? I have a question I would like to ask.
SanAntonio said:
Been a quiet week on the new case front...
SanAntonio said:
Been a quiet week on the new case front...
I would unfortunately lean towards the lack of reporting/recording…hillcountryag86 said:SanAntonio said:
Been a quiet week on the new case front...
I hope it is an accurate reflection. That there aren't any, or many, new cases.
I hope it is not because people are not reporting.
With NWS, the gov't is a friend.
SanAntoneAg said:
House Committee on Ag & Livestock live stream:
https://house.texas.gov/videos
Quote:
There is apparently another existing facility in South Texas (I think - didn't catch the exact location) that can be up and running and producing 90 million sterile flies (not sure on what frequency - I missed that part) within 9-12 months.
SanAntoneAg said:
TPWD reports they have investigated 1,668 potential wildlife cases, including WTD, skunks, vultures, etc. Of these, 19 were highly suspect. To date, no confirmed wildlife cases. They are stressing observation, especially through trail cameras during summer months, and reporting.
One of the points they brought up was that ivermectin was recently removed from any restrictions - at least for personal consumption. The concern is people may start mixing and medicating feed (corn or protein) for wildlife at inadequate doses and create problems like NWS that are potentially immune.txags92 said:
Last thing you want is an inadequate dose in the feed not killing the maggots and helping them build tolerance instead.
RanchAg said:
It will be interesting to see how things shake out. I'm not sure that ivermectin is going to have the impact people think it will. It is definitely a tool that can be used, but USDA has been feeding it for over a decade to combat the fever tick and we still have issues with that pest.
It is very difficult to control consumption in wildlife, especially with the rain we received this year and there being so many other choices to browse. Factor in the social aspects of animals and I think you will see some over consume and others not consume enough.
Finally, what was proposed this afternoon was a prescriptive approach, not mass feeding of medicated corn/feed across the state. Ivomec is approved in livestock as a preventative but not a cure once NWS is found, and that is as an injectable. They are using dectomax as a preventative and treatment. Their models will need to be accurate for any medicated feed to have a positive impact.
Tecolote said:jagsdad said:FishrCoAg said:Deerdude said:
I don't know anybody running several thousand head by themselves or with one partner.
Heck, my tightwad cousin is running 400 pairs and has a dozen hands helping.
Big ranches out here do have multiple hands, but not enough to gather really big pastures without hiring day help. Doing it monthly would be expensive, the alternative of checking those pastures multiple times a week is also daunting. That's just one of the reasons we need to nip this thing in the bud quickly
Not nearly as expensive as losing cattle.
Not in Texas but a neighbor state. Yes, ideally doing the checking multiple times a week or more realistically a month is better than losing cattle. But, trying to find thousands of head in our neck of the woods in canyons, brush, trees, etc. spread over 10k, 20k, 30k, acres, etc. just isn't feasible with the manpower (or lack thereof). add in the wildlife and you've got a nightmare.
ttha_aggie_09 said:One of the points they brought up was that ivermectin was recently removed from any restrictions - at least for personal consumption. The concern is people may start mixing and medicating feed (corn or protein) for wildlife at inadequate doses and create problems like NWS that are potentially immune.txags92 said:
Last thing you want is an inadequate dose in the feed not killing the maggots and helping them build tolerance instead.
I need to see if I can grab the transcript… it was interesting to hear the parts I listened to.
I am still mad we all knew this was coming but doesn't feel like we prepared at all for it. I guess that is par for the course for government…
FishrCoAg said:RanchAg said:
It will be interesting to see how things shake out. I'm not sure that ivermectin is going to have the impact people think it will. It is definitely a tool that can be used, but USDA has been feeding it for over a decade to combat the fever tick and we still have issues with that pest.
It is very difficult to control consumption in wildlife, especially with the rain we received this year and there being so many other choices to browse. Factor in the social aspects of animals and I think you will see some over consume and others not consume enough.
Finally, what was proposed this afternoon was a prescriptive approach, not mass feeding of medicated corn/feed across the state. Ivomec is approved in livestock as a preventative but not a cure once NWS is found, and that is as an injectable. They are using dectomax as a preventative and treatment. Their models will need to be accurate for any medicated feed to have a positive impact.
I read a report from Costa Rica, where they have been dealing with it for years, saying that NWS was pretty resistant to ivermectin now. Can't vouch for the accuracy but it is concerning.
Tecolote said:FishrCoAg said:RanchAg said:
It will be interesting to see how things shake out. I'm not sure that ivermectin is going to have the impact people think it will. It is definitely a tool that can be used, but USDA has been feeding it for over a decade to combat the fever tick and we still have issues with that pest.
It is very difficult to control consumption in wildlife, especially with the rain we received this year and there being so many other choices to browse. Factor in the social aspects of animals and I think you will see some over consume and others not consume enough.
Finally, what was proposed this afternoon was a prescriptive approach, not mass feeding of medicated corn/feed across the state. Ivomec is approved in livestock as a preventative but not a cure once NWS is found, and that is as an injectable. They are using dectomax as a preventative and treatment. Their models will need to be accurate for any medicated feed to have a positive impact.
I read a report from Costa Rica, where they have been dealing with it for years, saying that NWS was pretty resistant to ivermectin now. Can't vouch for the accuracy but it is concerning.
Just left a meeting with state vet (not Texas). This was stated by the vet as being thought to be the case and they are concerned with people thinking ivermectin is the cure all and using it inappropriately, thus enhancing even more the resistance by NWS. Medicated feeds were very worrisome to the vet as too many variables.
CrossTimbersW said:Tecolote said:FishrCoAg said:RanchAg said:
It will be interesting to see how things shake out. I'm not sure that ivermectin is going to have the impact people think it will. It is definitely a tool that can be used, but USDA has been feeding it for over a decade to combat the fever tick and we still have issues with that pest.
It is very difficult to control consumption in wildlife, especially with the rain we received this year and there being so many other choices to browse. Factor in the social aspects of animals and I think you will see some over consume and others not consume enough.
Finally, what was proposed this afternoon was a prescriptive approach, not mass feeding of medicated corn/feed across the state. Ivomec is approved in livestock as a preventative but not a cure once NWS is found, and that is as an injectable. They are using dectomax as a preventative and treatment. Their models will need to be accurate for any medicated feed to have a positive impact.
I read a report from Costa Rica, where they have been dealing with it for years, saying that NWS was pretty resistant to ivermectin now. Can't vouch for the accuracy but it is concerning.
Just left a meeting with state vet (not Texas). This was stated by the vet as being thought to be the case and they are concerned with people thinking ivermectin is the cure all and using it inappropriately, thus enhancing even more the resistance by NWS. Medicated feeds were very worrisome to the vet as too many variables.
I understand this and I also don't think I disagree with it but another question that it raises to me is why not throw the kitchen sink at the fly while we're waiting on increased production of sterile flies? I would think even if the fly does build immunity to ivermectin, eventually we will have enough sterile fly production that it no longer matters if they're resistant or not. I haven't came to a conclusion on my end yet but it seems that building resistance to ivermectin won't be a real issue down the road. I would be concerned with other target parasites becoming resistant I think though. Interesting to think about as I'm still trying to wrap my mind around this whole thing.
Deerdude said:
Built up immunity is not my forte, but I understand the concern, for WT, if you introduced treated feed on a limited basis, would potential for developed immunity still be a problem or concern? I'm thinking that during fawning and again or through shedding velvet would cover much of the threat? Winter when they start fighting it tends to be maybe cold enough that flies are dormant, dead, or a very minimal threat?
bmfvet said:
It's also not just resistance in screw worms, but other parasites as well. Low dose exposure will select for the resistant parasites. It's probably what accelerated the resistance in heartworms.
Tecolote said:FishrCoAg said:RanchAg said:
It will be interesting to see how things shake out. I'm not sure that ivermectin is going to have the impact people think it will. It is definitely a tool that can be used, but USDA has been feeding it for over a decade to combat the fever tick and we still have issues with that pest.
It is very difficult to control consumption in wildlife, especially with the rain we received this year and there being so many other choices to browse. Factor in the social aspects of animals and I think you will see some over consume and others not consume enough.
Finally, what was proposed this afternoon was a prescriptive approach, not mass feeding of medicated corn/feed across the state. Ivomec is approved in livestock as a preventative but not a cure once NWS is found, and that is as an injectable. They are using dectomax as a preventative and treatment. Their models will need to be accurate for any medicated feed to have a positive impact.
I read a report from Costa Rica, where they have been dealing with it for years, saying that NWS was pretty resistant to ivermectin now. Can't vouch for the accuracy but it is concerning.
Just left a meeting with state vet (not Texas). This was stated by the vet as being thought to be the case and they are concerned with people thinking ivermectin is the cure all and using it inappropriately, thus enhancing even more the resistance by NWS. Medicated feeds were very worrisome to the vet as too many variables.
