It's not just for the folks in the video, it's the mouth-breathing 'tards in the comments advocating for poaching.
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How many times you think that warden has been out on that pier before or after that video was filmed? Id bet a total of ZERO times before or since then. He'd rather sit at the boat launch and ask you how many deer you killed last season and why the log on the back of your license isn't filled out. That show is junk and does not reflect the normal day to day life and interactions of Texas GWs.
CS78 said:
How many times you think that warden has been out on that pier before or after that video was filmed? Id bet a total of ZERO times before or since then. He'd rather sit at the boat launch and ask you how many deer you killed last season and why the log on the back of your license isn't filled out. That show is junk and does not reflect the normal day to day life and interactions of Texas GWs.
Maybe so. But that's not really relevant to the folks who evidently would disregard every game law they can get away with and see no reason or rationale behind them.
You'll find that people, in general, will default to what is easy, cheap, and benefits them. Always. We are only a few days and inconveniences away from anarchy.
Deep down people are animals and one thing that's sets us apart from animals is government and laws. I don't like admitting it but your original post is dead on. Yes, laws punish the worst people but as my old man said "locks keep people honest". So do laws. For most of us, the law just keeps us on our already generally decent path.
Deep down people are animals and one thing that's sets us apart from animals is government and laws. I don't like admitting it but your original post is dead on. Yes, laws punish the worst people but as my old man said "locks keep people honest". So do laws. For most of us, the law just keeps us on our already generally decent path.
BrazosDog02 said:
You'll find that people, in general, will default to what is easy, cheap, and benefits them. Always. We are only a few days and inconveniences away from anarchy.
Deep down people are animals and one thing that's sets us apart from animals is government and laws. I don't like admitting it but your original post is dead on. Yes, laws punish the worst people but as my old man said "locks keep people honest". So do laws. For most of us, the law just keeps us on our already generally decent path.
Honestly I am not trying to be argumentative, but if people are always going to default to what is cheap, easy, and most beneficial to themselves;
(1) it follows that the people who enforce the laws are going to follow that same human behavior
(2) if laws are the answer, and the enforcers of laws are " above" the law (i.e.... don't have to follow them), that is, imo, the definition of anarchy in the context commonly associated with the word. I call that choas, which is exactly what we have.
Anarchy doesn't mean "no rules"; anarchy means " no rulers".
I am interested in discussion, if anyone else is interested.
The problem today is not a lot of laws. But new laws that some want to put in place. Biggest issue and it's always been the same no matter when and where...people don't want to do the right thing. If you are struggling with an answer to some question, think a little longer and hopefully common sense and morality kicks in and you come to the right thing.
And sometimes doing the right thing puts you in a bad situation too.
And sometimes doing the right thing puts you in a bad situation too.
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Truth right there.BrazosDog02 said:
You'll find that people, in general, will default to what is easy, cheap, and benefits them. Always. We are only a few days and inconveniences away from anarchy.
Deep down people are animals and one thing that's sets us apart from animals is government and laws. I don't like admitting it but your original post is dead on. Yes, laws punish the worst people but as my old man said "locks keep people honest". So do laws. For most of us, the law just keeps us on our already generally decent path.
BrazosDog02 said:
For most of us, the law just keeps us on our already generally decent path.
A small number of people are good because of their intrinsic morals.
A small number are bad because of their poor morals or lack of morals.
The vast majority of people are good because they are scared of the consequences should they be caught.
BrazosDog02 said:
You'll find that people, in general, will default to what is easy, cheap, and benefits them. Always. We are only a few days and inconveniences away from anarchy.
Deep down people are animals and one thing that's sets us apart from animals is government and laws. I don't like admitting it but your original post is dead on. Yes, laws punish the worst people but as my old man said "locks keep people honest". So do laws. For most of us, the law just keeps us on our already generally decent path.
Pretty much.
It's the complete and wanton disregard for why we need to have size/bag limits in the first place. These folks who are either ignorant of these limits or don't care aren't taking fish & game from the government, they're taking them from every one of us who hunts and fishes. Just like how some ****bag leaving trash in a public park isn't offending so much the government as the rest of the public who would like to use it without seeing it trashed.
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About half the population is conscientious enough to generally follow the laws or the spirit of the laws. A considerable portion of the rest follow them to avoid punishment if they are caught. a smaller fraction are totally ignorant of the laws or willfully and selfishly disobey them because they believe they won't get caught or the consequences are worth the risk.
This thread reminds me of this philosophical idea I read online recently. I found it to be quite interesting. It is NOT meant to start and argument of who is good or bad, just illustrate the point of how some are impelled to do the generally accepted right thing.
Direct cut and paste from internet:
The shopping cart is the ultimate litmus test for whether a person is capable of self-governing, the post states. To return the shopping cart is an easy, convenient task and one which we all recognize as the correct, appropriate thing to do. To return the shopping cart is objectively right. There are no situations other than dire emergencies in which a person is not able to return their cart. Simultaneously, it is not illegal to abandon your shopping cart. Therefore the shopping cart presents itself as the apex example of whether a person will do what is right without being forced to do it.
No one will punish you for not returning the shopping cart, no one will fine you, or kill you for not returning the shopping cart, you gain nothing by returning the shopping cart. You must return the shopping cart out of the goodness of your own heart. You must return the shopping cart because it is the right thing to do. Because it is correct. A person who is unable to do this is no better than an animal, an absolute savage who can only be made to do what is right by threatening them with a law and the force that stands behind it.
The Shopping Cart is what determines whether a person is a good or bad member of society."
Personally, full disclosure, I return the cart ALMOST all of the time but since reading this, I have returned it every time. Lol.
Direct cut and paste from internet:
The shopping cart is the ultimate litmus test for whether a person is capable of self-governing, the post states. To return the shopping cart is an easy, convenient task and one which we all recognize as the correct, appropriate thing to do. To return the shopping cart is objectively right. There are no situations other than dire emergencies in which a person is not able to return their cart. Simultaneously, it is not illegal to abandon your shopping cart. Therefore the shopping cart presents itself as the apex example of whether a person will do what is right without being forced to do it.
No one will punish you for not returning the shopping cart, no one will fine you, or kill you for not returning the shopping cart, you gain nothing by returning the shopping cart. You must return the shopping cart out of the goodness of your own heart. You must return the shopping cart because it is the right thing to do. Because it is correct. A person who is unable to do this is no better than an animal, an absolute savage who can only be made to do what is right by threatening them with a law and the force that stands behind it.
The Shopping Cart is what determines whether a person is a good or bad member of society."
Personally, full disclosure, I return the cart ALMOST all of the time but since reading this, I have returned it every time. Lol.
BrazosDog02 said:
This thread reminds me of this philosophical idea I read online recently. I found it to be quite interesting. It is NOT meant to start and argument of who is good or bad, just illustrate the point of how some are impelled to do the generally accepted right thing.
Direct cut and paste from internet:
The shopping cart is the ultimate litmus test for whether a person is capable of self-governing, the post states. To return the shopping cart is an easy, convenient task and one which we all recognize as the correct, appropriate thing to do. To return the shopping cart is objectively right. There are no situations other than dire emergencies in which a person is not able to return their cart. Simultaneously, it is not illegal to abandon your shopping cart. Therefore the shopping cart presents itself as the apex example of whether a person will do what is right without being forced to do it.
No one will punish you for not returning the shopping cart, no one will fine you, or kill you for not returning the shopping cart, you gain nothing by returning the shopping cart. You must return the shopping cart out of the goodness of your own heart. You must return the shopping cart because it is the right thing to do. Because it is correct. A person who is unable to do this is no better than an animal, an absolute savage who can only be made to do what is right by threatening them with a law and the force that stands behind it.
The Shopping Cart is what determines whether a person is a good or bad member of society."
Personally, full disclosure, I return the cart ALMOST all of the time but since reading this, I have returned it every time. Lol.
Yeah, I'm right there with you.
But, in full disclosure I also frequently hunt for the parking spots either directly next to or directly across from the cart corrals even if it means walking farther to get into and out of the store from said parking spot.
I also think the reality is there are lots of ignorant people. I've been one of them in the past with hunting laws. The staggering number and complexity of laws these days doesn't help.TarponChaser said:
It's not just for the folks in the video, it's the mouth-breathing 'tards in the comments advocating for poaching.
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If a guy isn't grossly violating the law (over in number by more than a couple or length), shows concern and willingness to correct the issue, than I'd hope the Wardens and the law would use that for an educational experience without tickets that can be beneficial to more than just that one scenario.
However, if they are grossly violating the law or are repeat offenders, I'm fine with throwing everything possible at them.
Like anything else there is right, wrong, and perception. How each situation is handled greatly benefit to one of those.
Thanks for sharing. I agree.... probably because I always return my cart.BrazosDog02 said:
Direct cut and paste from internet:
The shopping cart is the ultimate litmus test for whether a person is capable of self-governing, the post states. To return the shopping cart is an easy, convenient task and one which we all recognize as the correct, appropriate thing to do. To return the shopping cart is objectively right. There are no situations other than dire emergencies in which a person is not able to return their cart. Simultaneously, it is not illegal to abandon your shopping cart. Therefore the shopping cart presents itself as the apex example of whether a person will do what is right without being forced to do it.
No one will punish you for not returning the shopping cart, no one will fine you, or kill you for not returning the shopping cart, you gain nothing by returning the shopping cart. You must return the shopping cart out of the goodness of your own heart. You must return the shopping cart because it is the right thing to do. Because it is correct. A person who is unable to do this is no better than an animal, an absolute savage who can only be made to do what is right by threatening them with a law and the force that stands behind it.
The Shopping Cart is what determines whether a person is a good or bad member of society."
Same here. I detest those that leave carts out and don't take the 30 seconds to put them in the corrals. I have no issue walking 5 extra spaces to and from the store if it means taking less time putting the cart up so I can get the hell out of whatever parking lot I am in.TarponChaser said:BrazosDog02 said:
This thread reminds me of this philosophical idea I read online recently. I found it to be quite interesting. It is NOT meant to start and argument of who is good or bad, just illustrate the point of how some are impelled to do the generally accepted right thing.
Direct cut and paste from internet:
The shopping cart is the ultimate litmus test for whether a person is capable of self-governing, the post states. To return the shopping cart is an easy, convenient task and one which we all recognize as the correct, appropriate thing to do. To return the shopping cart is objectively right. There are no situations other than dire emergencies in which a person is not able to return their cart. Simultaneously, it is not illegal to abandon your shopping cart. Therefore the shopping cart presents itself as the apex example of whether a person will do what is right without being forced to do it.
No one will punish you for not returning the shopping cart, no one will fine you, or kill you for not returning the shopping cart, you gain nothing by returning the shopping cart. You must return the shopping cart out of the goodness of your own heart. You must return the shopping cart because it is the right thing to do. Because it is correct. A person who is unable to do this is no better than an animal, an absolute savage who can only be made to do what is right by threatening them with a law and the force that stands behind it.
The Shopping Cart is what determines whether a person is a good or bad member of society."
Personally, full disclosure, I return the cart ALMOST all of the time but since reading this, I have returned it every time. Lol.
Yeah, I'm right there with you.
But, in full disclosure I also frequently hunt for the parking spots either directly next to or directly across from the cart corrals even if it means walking farther to get into and out of the store from said parking spot.
It is a weird combination of not being lazy and being lazy all at the same time.
I also generally find that there's actually a little bit more room in the parking spaces directly adjacent to the corrals.schmellba99 said:Same here. I detest those that leave carts out and don't take the 30 seconds to put them in the corrals. I have no issue walking 5 extra spaces to and from the store if it means taking less time putting the cart up so I can get the hell out of whatever parking lot I am in.TarponChaser said:BrazosDog02 said:
This thread reminds me of this philosophical idea I read online recently. I found it to be quite interesting. It is NOT meant to start and argument of who is good or bad, just illustrate the point of how some are impelled to do the generally accepted right thing.
Direct cut and paste from internet:
The shopping cart is the ultimate litmus test for whether a person is capable of self-governing, the post states. To return the shopping cart is an easy, convenient task and one which we all recognize as the correct, appropriate thing to do. To return the shopping cart is objectively right. There are no situations other than dire emergencies in which a person is not able to return their cart. Simultaneously, it is not illegal to abandon your shopping cart. Therefore the shopping cart presents itself as the apex example of whether a person will do what is right without being forced to do it.
No one will punish you for not returning the shopping cart, no one will fine you, or kill you for not returning the shopping cart, you gain nothing by returning the shopping cart. You must return the shopping cart out of the goodness of your own heart. You must return the shopping cart because it is the right thing to do. Because it is correct. A person who is unable to do this is no better than an animal, an absolute savage who can only be made to do what is right by threatening them with a law and the force that stands behind it.
The Shopping Cart is what determines whether a person is a good or bad member of society."
Personally, full disclosure, I return the cart ALMOST all of the time but since reading this, I have returned it every time. Lol.
Yeah, I'm right there with you.
But, in full disclosure I also frequently hunt for the parking spots either directly next to or directly across from the cart corrals even if it means walking farther to get into and out of the store from said parking spot.
It is a weird combination of not being lazy and being lazy all at the same time.
AgLA06 said:I also think the reality is there are lots of ignorant people. I've been one of them in the past with hunting laws. The staggering number and complexity of laws these days doesn't help.TarponChaser said:
It's not just for the folks in the video, it's the mouth-breathing 'tards in the comments advocating for poaching.
Lone Star Law
If a guy isn't grossly violating the law (over in number by more than a couple or length), shows concern and willingness to correct the issue, than I'd hope the Wardens and the law would use that for an educational experience without tickets that can be beneficial to more than just that one scenario.
However, if they are grossly violating the law or are repeat offenders, I'm fine with throwing everything possible at them.
Like anything else there is right, wrong, and perception. How each situation is handled greatly benefit to one of those.
I get it. Those laws can get convoluted at times but there's plenty of resources to keep them straight.
And maybe @cs78 is correct that the game warden doesn't hit that pier frequently but I know a couple guys who hit a few hot spots regularly and are handing out tickets left and right because folks have 5 bulls on a stringer with no tags, or are over the limit on under-slot fish, and I've seen them roll up on folks with a cooler full of 50 10" trout.
Hell, look at the debates in here about antler restrictions. Just a month or two ago somebody was posting how they couldn't hardly shoot a buck anymore but when they did they were bigger than they ever saw 30-years ago in their county, or something along those lines. Getting more & bigger bucks are a direct result of those restrictions.
Wildlife Management Areas have a check in system. It can be a form and a box to drop it into, or you can do it on your phone. Wardens love the phone system. It tells them where to go check someone hunting. Of all the walk in WMA's I have hunted, I have never been checked at one...Richland Chambers. But you have already gone through so many hoops to hunt, so that's the reason you don't get bothered. The others I always get checked. I don't mind as long as they wait for me to be finished. I believe most wardens are stand up folks and love the outdoors as much as I do, and just want folks to be safe.
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That too, which is nice. Also don't have to worry about some d-bag in a tesla or truck that is squatted down like it's a lab taking a dump parking so close to you that you can barely get in and out of your vehicle.TarponChaser said:I also generally find that there's actually a little bit more room in the parking spaces directly adjacent to the corrals.schmellba99 said:Same here. I detest those that leave carts out and don't take the 30 seconds to put them in the corrals. I have no issue walking 5 extra spaces to and from the store if it means taking less time putting the cart up so I can get the hell out of whatever parking lot I am in.TarponChaser said:BrazosDog02 said:
This thread reminds me of this philosophical idea I read online recently. I found it to be quite interesting. It is NOT meant to start and argument of who is good or bad, just illustrate the point of how some are impelled to do the generally accepted right thing.
Direct cut and paste from internet:
The shopping cart is the ultimate litmus test for whether a person is capable of self-governing, the post states. To return the shopping cart is an easy, convenient task and one which we all recognize as the correct, appropriate thing to do. To return the shopping cart is objectively right. There are no situations other than dire emergencies in which a person is not able to return their cart. Simultaneously, it is not illegal to abandon your shopping cart. Therefore the shopping cart presents itself as the apex example of whether a person will do what is right without being forced to do it.
No one will punish you for not returning the shopping cart, no one will fine you, or kill you for not returning the shopping cart, you gain nothing by returning the shopping cart. You must return the shopping cart out of the goodness of your own heart. You must return the shopping cart because it is the right thing to do. Because it is correct. A person who is unable to do this is no better than an animal, an absolute savage who can only be made to do what is right by threatening them with a law and the force that stands behind it.
The Shopping Cart is what determines whether a person is a good or bad member of society."
Personally, full disclosure, I return the cart ALMOST all of the time but since reading this, I have returned it every time. Lol.
Yeah, I'm right there with you.
But, in full disclosure I also frequently hunt for the parking spots either directly next to or directly across from the cart corrals even if it means walking farther to get into and out of the store from said parking spot.
It is a weird combination of not being lazy and being lazy all at the same time.
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