Anyone know anything about old swords? Trying to get more info on these. One has marking saying 1846

You must have been a groomsman a bunch of times!

Looks like war trophies or a collector who did some traveling about a century back. Blade pictures would help, but with such variety, I think you'll need a collector to identify some of them.

My grandfather had a machete with a similar scabbard/sheath he brought back from Venezuela in the mid 50's as that one in the left of your picture.

CS78 will be along shortly I'm sure but he knows quite a bit if I'm not mistaken.

lb sand said:

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My grandfather had a machete with a similar scabbard/sheath he brought back from Venezuela in the mid 50's as that one in the left of your picture.

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That does appear to be Central American - Machete. The item just left of it has a marking from 1846. The two curved blades are very interesting. The far left is a bayonet. The cardboard box is full of knives of all shapes and sizes.

Gunny456 said:

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I know the one with the large handle in the center in the scabbard that is a straight blade is the Patton sword. Was the last issue cavalry sword in the 1900's. I collect cavalry stuff from 1900 forward. That's the only one I know anything about. They are not that rare but bring around $700 with scabbard if it's in good shape.

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Thanks Gunny, Its a real cool sword and in pretty good shape. Ill post more pictures of it and others later.

Middle one is definitely a M1913 Patton Sword

5th one from the left looks like a pre-civil war or possibly civil war period NCO sword of some sort, hard to tell. If you can pull it out of the scabbard and get some pics of the hilt and ricasso, it would help identify it.

Most of the others look like they are of Indian or Pakistani origin (outside of the machete and bayonets).

Well, I can tell you that one of them looks like a stick.

So what's the story behind them?

Milwaukees Best Light said:

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You must have been a groomsman a bunch of times!

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Wonder what that guy ended up doing.

OnlyForNow said:

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So what's the story behind them?

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Friend passed away and these were his. We are trying to determine value so the family can sell them, or keep them? I am just helping them figure out what they are worth. Family lives is Washington State.

TH36 said:

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CS78 will be along shortly I'm sure but he knows quite a bit if I'm not mistaken.

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My knowledge is mostly European 16th-17th century. Don't see anything that fits in there.

Going to send this link to a friend.

More pics will help. I can post them on this site. Pretty much the best resource out there. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=1

They look cool. I'm interested, but honestly don't know much about them. I got a buddy who's an expert in antique swords. You mind if I call him up to the shop to take a look? ...


... Best I can do is $50.

I believe the far right bayonet is a 1904 mauser bayonet, or similar

This appears to be an early bayonet of some sort. says 1869 on the top of the blade

This appears to be French and is marked 1810

What a cool thread.

5th one from the left is a French Cuirassier Heavy Cavalry Trooper's Sword.

Based on the blade etching, 1810 model

Really awesome collection!

I googled VIVAT PANDUR which is inscribed on the blade and this article came back:

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Trenck's Pandurs (Croatian: Panduri, German: Panduren, Hungarian: Pandr) were a light infantry unit of the Habsburg monarchy that was raised by Baron Franz von der Trenck under a charter issued by Maria Theresa of Austria in 1741. The unit was largely composed of volunteers from the Kingdom of Slavonia and Slavonian Military Frontier, and named after security guards otherwise employed to maintain public order. The Pandurs were presented to the empress in May 1741 with the unit's military band earning them a claim of pioneering martial music in Europe. The Pandurs did not use uniforms and had an overall Ottoman appearance. The original organization of the unit was retained until 1745, when it transformed into a regiment. Trenck was relieved of command in 1746 and imprisoned in Spielberg Castle, where he died in 1749. The unit ultimately transformed into the 53rd Infantry Regiment, headquartered in Zagreb, until it was disbanded in 1919.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trenck%27s_Pandurs

I was able to look at this one on a larger screen. I was in error. This is not a Patton sword. I don't know what it is but it's not a M1913 Patton sword. Sorry sir.

The hilt and fuller on the blade are not what a M1913 would be nor the scabbard.

I find this fasciniating but can't help.

Any on here?

Most of those items have a considerable amount of the color black on them and therefore they are "assault" swords. Please give them to me and I will do the proper thing. You have my digits.

Truthfully nice collection. I would think a full vetting would be in order prior to sale.

Here's what my friend had to offer. He hasnt seen the updated pics. I'll see if he can take a look at those tomorrow. Already late there.



"1 French hunting hanger late 18th c value ca 100 euro this blade is in poor condition
2 French cuirassiers heavy cavalry saber Napoleonic between 1800 and 1815 depending on the signature on the back of the blade , stamps and condition ca 1500 euro ( lower value if its been re fitted with a later blade this model has been used up to 1870 ) it all depends on the date year and signature.
3 French Yatagan Bayonet for chassepot rifle period between 1860 and 1875 , value 80 euro
4 Italian saber or saber made for export to south America around 1880 value 150 euro
5 and 6 Cilic Saber probably Turky or Iran around 1850-80 depending on the blade damask or not worth around 1200 to 1500 each
7 an Englisch or US bayonet WW1 value around 50 euro"

To the left of number 5 is an African spear. Curious to know what the bladed pole is to the left of it.

Gunny456 said:

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I was able to look at this one on a larger screen. I was in error. This is not a Patton sword. I don't know what it is but it's not a M1913 Patton sword. Sorry sir.

The hilt and fuller on the blade are not what a M1913 would be nor the scabbard.

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Yep, it's a Spanish Civil Guard Sword

Similar one here at Collector's website: https://www.collectorsfirearms.com/products/54135-spanish-civil-guard-sword-sw1163.html

#7, the far right bayonet looks to be a M1917. Looks just like the one my grandfather rbought back from the pacific. Last I looked they were $150-$200 in better condition.

Can you make out any of the marks at the base of the blade?

These marks are all going to be on older blades. Mostly 16th-17th C.

CS78 said:

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Here's what my friend had to offer. He hasnt seen the updated pics. I'll see if he can take a look at those tomorrow. Already late there.



"1 French hunting hanger late 18th c value ca 100 euro this blade is in poor condition
2 French cuirassiers heavy cavalry saber Napoleonic between 1800 and 1815 depending on the signature on the back of the blade , stamps and condition ca 1500 euro ( lower value if its been re fitted with a later blade this model has been used up to 1870 ) it all depends on the date year and signature.
3 French Yatagan Bayonet for chassepot rifle period between 1860 and 1875 , value 80 euro
4 Italian saber or saber made for export to south America around 1880 value 150 euro
5 and 6 Cilic Saber probably Turky or Iran around 1850-80 depending on the blade damask or not worth around 1200 to 1500 each
7 an Englisch or US bayonet WW1 value around 50 euro"

To the left of number 5 is an African spear. Curious to know what the bladed pole is to the left of it.

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